Alli and Group I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what I speak of. My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and answering to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am this morning. IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has disappeared. *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, and ***I had to stay home with a cold Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works for the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." Somehow that info never reached this group. Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection to main line Cherokee. ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to "do no harm". Please forgive my "airs" I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee Chosen, Spirit Warrior If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) > guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. > > And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? If > they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our messages, > I > know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all over > the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which is > annoying in itself)....... > > You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their family > tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who seems to > think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. You > spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources & > specific documented proof. > > The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a child & > say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to SHARE > links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss > information. > > So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if that's > how > Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else race I > have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society today......don't > need it here too. > > 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, or > neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. > > DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. > > Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not some > made > up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what you > say > or you can't...... > > no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or anyone > elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At least > She > gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others over the > years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S what > a > real genealogist does. > > Alli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > Susan > > > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > > garbage. > > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know > > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely > > guarded > > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I > > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did > > not > > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father > > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And > > raised > > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon > > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that > > everyone called her. > > > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called > > it > > DNA memory. > > > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was > > murdered > > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. The > > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew > > up. > > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I > > am > > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee > > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, it > > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > > > BARB > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Don, Yes, Obediah Martin Benge is my G-grandfather. His 2nd with was my G-grandmother. Her name was Etta Asbill That's as far back as I've searched. Do you have any more info on them going back further? Karen > Karen, > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > Don > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > > >Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I > >saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of > >my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my > >g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my > >grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the > >roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah > >Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? > >Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 >

Karen, I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? Don At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: >Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I >saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of >my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my >g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my >grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the >roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah >Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? >Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's > at Winchester VA. Most > > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee have > > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > are thankful > > for them. > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > Washington > > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know the > > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester occupants > > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to rebuild. > > It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, LEE,) > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later > became "Federal > > Road" > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, Kentucky, > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE AND > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) Please > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and > not by an act > > of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property from > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote > a book out > > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian > linage goes back to > > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > BARB > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Change the subject lines to match the topic. Thankyou. ;)))

http://www.tennesseeoverhill.com/cherokeeheritage/cherokee_timeline.asp Just a link to share. History and genealogy go together. All other conversations go to [email protected] this is an archived list and we prefer to keep the data and chat separated. Also - no arguing. Dan

http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/11/28/ut-libraries-introduces-database-smokies/ Friends and fans of the Great Smoky Mountains now have an added resource to research the history, plants, animals, culture, and digitized photographs of the mountains and surrounding region. The Great Smoky Mountains Regional Project at the UT Libraries has released the new Database of the Smokies (DOTS), a free online bibliography of Smoky Mountains material published since 1934, the year the national park was established. Includes Cherokee Indian info: http://dots.lib.utk.edu/?q=biblio-keyword/cherokee-indians Joy

Alli, I did a quick search on your names and found something that suggested Delphia's birth name was Willson or Wilson, then found North Carolina marriages to 1800: GROOM: Thomas Thompson BRIDE: Philadelphia Willson MARRIAGE: 29 Jan 1789 COUNTY: Rutherford Might be a clue in the North Carolina archives.... Kathie Forbes ***********

The Otterlifter family is from Nancy Ward. David Keith Hampton has them in 'Cherokee Mixed Bloods" Vol 1, The Ward family. He does provide resources and I'd advise you to check them out before writing anything in stone. Does Thomas not tell who Nelson's parent were on the application? Richard Fields is of the Grant/Emory line. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Pezzaglia Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 1:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel Have seen the family name of McDaniel mentioned several times and am curious if any one is connected to Thomas McDaniel b. August 16, 1876 married to Antonia Smith ? Thomas' Dawes Packet Cher # 1650. His Eastern Cherokee Application # is 12851. Thomas and Antonia lived in the Warner (Pope Chapel) area in Muskogee County Okla. They had about 8 children. "Granny Mac" (Antonia) and one of her children's family were our next door neighbors (give or take a few miles). Many of their children moved to the Yuba City California area. Am not researching this line, just curious. A familiar name and early childhood friend. Thomas McDaniel, son of Sarah Simmons (daughter of Henry and Mary (Otterlifter)Simmons) and Nelson McDaniel (son of John/Johnson McDaniel and Martha (Lee) McDaniel). Sarah later married Thomas Fields, son of Richard Fields and Rachel Fields. Their son, Cornelius B. Fields, Eastern Cherokee Application #5086, gives an extensive list of his family lines. wanda =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

cool...... thanks :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] New Database of the Smokies > http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/11/28/ut-libraries-introduces-database-smokies/ > Friends and fans of the Great Smoky Mountains now have an added resource > to research the history, plants, animals, culture, and digitized > photographs of the mountains and surrounding region. > > The Great Smoky Mountains Regional Project at the UT Libraries has > released the new Database of the Smokies (DOTS), a free online > bibliography of Smoky Mountains material published since 1934, the year > the national park was established. > > Includes Cherokee Indian info: > > http://dots.lib.utk.edu/?q=biblio-keyword/cherokee-indians > > Joy > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kathie........ Not sure if that's them or not (there were a lot of them) but it could be......I will keep ahold of this. And look into it more ;) Thanks Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:21 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Delphia Thompson > Alli, I did a quick search on your names and found something that > suggested Delphia's birth name was Willson or Wilson, then found North > Carolina marriages to 1800: > GROOM: Thomas Thompson > BRIDE: Philadelphia Willson > MARRIAGE: 29 Jan 1789 > COUNTY: Rutherford > > Might be a clue in the North Carolina archives.... > > Kathie Forbes > > *********** > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have always taken information given to me with a grain of salt....not because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, as you said, its just their word. No back up. My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He thought/assumed that it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly because of her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her by train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. She was suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but she didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both of them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's a record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl great), he wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) until i showed him what i found. The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no where to look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they did in 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. I have a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his court record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I told family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one knew that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great grandma. I said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage had been in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet :) Alli ;0) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of the > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. Only > an > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man named > Art > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At the > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the audience > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then wrote > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one > person > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the show > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase that > he'd begun with. > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered documentation > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept Cherokee > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are always > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books one > reads > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources then > it > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that resourced a > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are not > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > this....in > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of deeds > or > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & Fallam, > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's stories > about > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white relationships in > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these with > grains of salt...sure we do! > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece

Yeah I know absolutely nothing of David & James. So for me, it'll be a total guess. I have to get back into researching everyone again....but i've been having to sort out a nightmare of info. posted on ancestry....i found one tree that totally lined up, but they have grandkids listed as siblings to the parents & nothing to back anything up....I may just focus on census & other type records & forget other people's trees LOL Alli :) (I'll keep this handy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > Alli > > I know only of two Cherokee lineages of Thompson's in the area of your > Adams. One is that of David in McMinn and the other is the lineage of > Benjamin and family from western NC. Benj was the son in law of Judge > John > C. Martin. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

lol i still love ya Joyce :) Yeah I am (currently) at least 3 generations from my direct Cherokee connection....its the 4th one that connects (as it stands NOW), who knows what it'll end up be :) So yeah......with that way of thinking, I would probably be not even considered by others to be ........ and for me that's ok. I'm not trying to find my ancestor's to be on a roll or get "benefits" or other stuff......I am trying to "connect" my family or put them back together. But I think that if a person is a few generations removed, I think they still have that "connection", they are still part Cherokee. They can't claim full or 3/4's, but they can claim to have Cherokee blood. I have always joked about having a thimble full of Indian blood since all the women married "white" guys after the 4th great grandma ;) Same goes for the have black ancestry.....they may not descend from a black person from Africa.....but they do contain a black ancestor & it should be acknowledged. Heck I have ancestors that had Black slaves (just noting they weren't Indian slaves) so there could very well be a black ancestor or a mix black/white ancestor in my own tree.......don't know how hard or easy it'll be to track slaves from the ancestor's. But someday i might start that trek too :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > "Far from perfect"? Geeze Alli, give a gal a break........lol > > Alli, you've touched upon something that has been controversial for quite > a > few years. > > The late Jerri Chastain was adamant in her thinking that if someone or > their > ancestors wasn't on any of the rolls or living within the Cherokee Nation > then they simply were not Cherokee, period. There are still those who > think > that today. I suppose we all have to form our own way of thinking about > this issue. If someone is a few generations removed from a Cherokee by > blood ancestor are they Cherokee? If someone has an ancestor a few > generations back that is black are they African American? > > The mixed blood people who remained in Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, > Georgia, etc etc are their descendents Cherokee? > > It touches upon the issue currently being discussed concerning the > Freedmen > in Oklahoma. Those under discussion are the descendents of non-Cherokee > slaves. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece

Have seen the family name of McDaniel mentioned several times and am curious if any one is connected to Thomas McDaniel b. August 16, 1876  married to Antonia Smith ?  Thomas' Dawes Packet Cher # 1650. His Eastern Cherokee Application # is 12851.   Thomas and Antonia lived in the Warner (Pope Chapel) area in Muskogee County Okla.  They had about 8 children.  "Granny Mac" (Antonia) and one of her children's family were our next door neighbors (give or take a few miles).  Many of their children moved to the Yuba City California area.  Am not researching this line, just curious.  A familiar name and early childhood friend.   Thomas McDaniel, son of Sarah Simmons (daughter of Henry and Mary (Otterlifter)Simmons) and  Nelson McDaniel (son of John/Johnson McDaniel and Martha (Lee)  McDaniel). Sarah later married Thomas Fields, son of Richard Fields and Rachel Fields. Their son, Cornelius B. Fields,  Eastern Cherokee Application #5086, gives an extensive list of his family lines.           wanda

Susan Reynolds is an excellent historical researcher. Her head is NOT full of garbage and it is an insult to her for you to say this. It's an insult to all of us who were included in your statement. Just who do you think you are? The phrase you used sounds very much like a flame. Just why was it that YOU were selected to know all the closely guarded secrets of the Cherokee people when few others were? DO you REALLY expect other researchers to accept what you say in blind faith when you never, ever provide any resources or documentation for what you say? If you KNOW she was Matoaca then PROVE IT! But you can't can you? You've listened to mythology for so long you don't recognize the facts. Joyce Gaston Reece Susan It would take a book or two to answer your questions. It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with garbage. I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely guarded secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did not want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And raised me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that everyone called her. Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called it DNA memory. When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was murdered by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. The Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew up. While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. Your idea of history is far, far off. One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I am a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, it was me who did not know .But I do now. BARB

I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of the Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. Only an oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man named Art Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At the beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the audience and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then wrote down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one person to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the show Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase that he'd begun with. In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered documentation unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept Cherokee elder's stories as genealogical family history? BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are always considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books one reads if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources then it is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that resourced a dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are not acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to this....in my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of deeds or other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & Fallam, Lawson & Gist, for instance. So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's stories about a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white relationships in colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these with grains of salt...sure we do! This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:27 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy American Indian suffer because they choose to, they continue to cry "whoa as me" & refuse to get on their own feet & always seeking a hand out. You act like you are the only authority in American History or Cherokee history, but you don't give sources, documention, etc. How many treaties did American Indians break? Either with themselves, other tribes or even the Fed's. If there was so much proof about the Cherokee Tribes, then why are they still searching for the answer's themselves. What does Puallup Indians have to do with the Cherokee? 2 boys from that area are not necessarily going to be able to provide proof of a slaughter. WHere's the documentation of this find? Where's the news reports? Where's the links or book title & author's to all your "see" this or that. Barbara You obviously thing you know far more then anyone here, yet you continue to give very little factual info. If they had documentation then it wouldn't be new discoveries & such about the areas they lived in or how they lived, etc. So if you have documentation to back up what you are boasting about......where is it. We're asking you.....as you are the one posting all of this stuff, claiming to know tons..... give specific's. Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > In the 1700's the Cherokee were busy building up the tribe by > intermarriage. > Most of the population, both populations, were building families. > Occasionally strange activities did happen. > > Example is Thomas Jefferson and his sister who were left as orphans, went > to live at the Tuckahoe Plantation on the James River. Most of the tribal > slaughter happened in the 1800's .Whole villages were wiped out in the > middle of the night. The first prominent happenings were at James Towne VA > > Very few Natives celebrate Thanksgiving. > > The Trail of Tears in the South East also happened in the South > West. > > Certainly you have heard of tribes "disappearing"? On my desk is a list of > tribes that disappeared over night. Later, The Presidential attitude > was Indians were "nits" to be destroyed. There is a letter available that > was sent to the Acting Washington Territorial Governor Issac Stevens from > the President of the US. > > Just in recent years Eatonville WA School children discovered a slaughter > there that had been covered up.About 1855. Two boys had escaped. See; > Puayllup Indians.Or Chief Leschi who was tried twice and hung; and > his brother, Quiamuth, murdered at the WA state Capital as a Guest. The > take-over was almost complete by 1855. > > Very few of the Treatys have ever been honored by the FEDS.See Arkansas > Cherokee /Most of the "Indians" were rounded up or killed and survivors > placed on mumerous "reservations" that, later, were shut down and sold to > Settlers. See: The Flathead Reservation, Montana. > > Sequoya died in Mexico. > The Cherokee ask for permission to leave Texas and were denied. They went > anyway and became "the Cherokee of Mexico" > > See Big Hole Montana.... > > Joyce, you obviously do not know your country's history. My heart cries > for the people. OMG. > > Today the Native Americans suffer from PTSD from the continual > generational trauma. > > And you want Documentation? Read or ask the Cherokee. They got > docummentation. The Feds say as little as possible. > > > > BARB > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > >> I was speaking in terms of the 1700's. >> >> The Cherokee weren't in Arkansas until 1795 when Chief Bowls took the >> first >> emigrants there. The largest body of that group that formed the Old >> Settlers >> and the Keetowah Band going with Tah lon tee skee in 1809. It was part >> of >> this group that emigrated into southeast Missouri...very early 1800's. >> Those from the Bowl's group are the ones who later went to Mexico. >> >> There is ONE record that I've found of a group of 300 going from Georgia >> to >> the Nations Capital in the 1790's in order to get to know the president >> and >> country leaders >> It is in Public Lands, Indian Affairs, American State Papers. >> >> If they were in Maryland, Delaware, please cite the resources for the >> documentation for this knowledge. >> >> Are you saying that as many as 50 million Indians were killed? By whom? >> Today's population in the state of Tennessee is apx 10-11,000,000 people >> in >> comparison. So are we to assume that you are saying that the entire >> population of Indians was the number you stated? >> >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO >> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:32 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: earthfeather99 >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> >> North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. >> >> Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, Washington >> DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, >> Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are >> still >> there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were massacred >> or >> killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to welcome and >> share >> what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They had nice homes, >> gardens and ships. Frequently they >> traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. >> >> Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" >> >> BARB >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> >> >> > my family was in dade co ga,some of them migraed from wayne co ky. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:17 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> > >> > >> > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester >> > > VA. >> > > Most records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most >> > > Cherokee >> > > have Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We >> > > are >> > > thankful for them. >> > > >> > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon >> > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George >> > > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the >> > > Natives >> > > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The >> > > Winchester >> > > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And >> > > returned >> > > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. >> > > >> > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And >> > > the >> > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee >> > > and >> > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, >> > > LEE,) >> > > >> > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. >> > > >> > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and >> > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. >> > > >> > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became >> > > "Federal Road" >> > > >> > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, >> > > Kentucky, >> > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) >> > > >> > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY >> > > THIRD >> > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES >> > > HOUSE >> > > AND >> > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) >> > > >> > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) >> > > Please >> > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by >> > > an >> > > act of friendship. Four thousand died. >> > > >> > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property >> > > from >> > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, >> > > Some >> > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan >> > > >> > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a >> > > book >> > > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. >> > > >> > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great >> > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... >> > > >> > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes >> > > back >> > > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape >> > > >> > > BARB >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:30 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> > > >> > > >> > >> Blevins were white who married into the Cherokee. >> > >> >> > >> Most rolls were taken in anticipation of a payment or claim for >> > >> payment. >> > >> Why would they 'run' from that? The rolls weren't 100% but they're >> > >> all >> > >> we've got. >> > >> >> > >> The region of Kentucky was not an area of heavy settlement for >> > >> Indians >> > >> we >> > >> call Cherokee. It was ground claimed for hunting ground...lands >> > >> they'd >> > >> had >> > >> conflicts with the Shawnee over during a long period of time. The >> > >> majority >> > >> of the settlement by them that we know about was in southeast >> > >> Tennessee, >> > >> south west North Carolina, northwest South Carolina, northeast >> > >> Georgia. >> > >> And, of course, the Chickamauga settlements in northeast Alabama and >> > >> the >> > >> region around what is now Chattanooga, TN >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> > >> >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> > >> chatting >> > >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> > >> >> > >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> > >> List archive >> > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> > >> Dual admin. >> > >> Dan and Joyce >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > >> without >> > >> the >> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> > > chatting >> > > is >> > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> > > >> > > Rude people will be moderated asap! >> > > List archive >> > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> > > Dual admin. >> > > Dan and Joyce >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> > chatting >> > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> > >> > Rude people will be moderated asap! >> > List archive >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> > Dual admin. >> > Dan and Joyce >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is >> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. 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When one does not agree with the other. Its best to let the other sink alone. The back says much when the front says nothing. Aho! On Dec 4, 2012 6:50 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> wrote: > Susan Reynolds is an excellent historical researcher. Her head is NOT full > of garbage and it is an insult to her for you to say this. It's an insult > to all of us who were included in your statement. Just who do you think > you > are? > > The phrase you used sounds very much like a flame. > > Just why was it that YOU were selected to know all the closely guarded > secrets of the Cherokee people when few others were? DO you REALLY expect > other researchers to accept what you say in blind faith when you never, > ever > provide any resources or documentation for what you say? If you KNOW she > was Matoaca then PROVE IT! But you can't can you? You've listened to > mythology for so long you don't recognize the facts. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > Susan > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > garbage. > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know > what > the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely guarded > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I honor > that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did not > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father was > killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And raised me. I > knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon City. And > did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that everyone > called her. > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called it > DNA memory. > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was murdered > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. The > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew up. > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I am a > GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, it > was > me who did not know .But I do now. > > BARB > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alli I know only of two Cherokee lineages of Thompson's in the area of your Adams. One is that of David in McMinn and the other is the lineage of Benjamin and family from western NC. Benj was the son in law of Judge John C. Martin. Joyce Gaston Reece

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