Notice that the list is called (Cherokee genealogy) so folks know we are dealing with Cherokee in mind. The rest of the conversation goes to [email protected] its like having a class for math and a class for english you have to go to another room. Because the lists being archived researchers are spared the drama . Aho? yes? Means the drama is fine on the other group. People join both groups. Those who want just the facts mamm are here. as also I have all the roles on my website for download and Judy as well on access genealogy. so if we must chatter there is also cherokeechat and cherokeemainvillage and cherokeeprayer cherokeemusic cherokeehistory ... Oh. You got off that one .. Well if you really want to pass drama lets use some other group. Facts. Work on getting and posting facts some times requires conversation. But not about non related topics. I might not have a phd but I have the mod buttons. Dan On Dec 4, 2012 8:51 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Dan > > MY mother was a Genealogist. She also was the Librarian at the University > of > Willamette Oregon. > > She died not knowing who she was nor that she was a Cherokee named > Virginia. > She died not knowing the story of our family. All she knew was > Names,Births, Deaths, dates, and locations.And White.All written out on a > big piece of cardboard. She never connected the dots.She never knew why her > mother was "Georgia" > > Thanks > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > This is not a Cherokee study list. > > Its genealogy. > > Meaning people connecting names (not) history. > > [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. > > This list is only to help people connect names. > > The rest is moot here. > > Thanks. > > Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The > > American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a > > name > > connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. > > Aho? > > On Dec 4, 2012 6:51 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then > > > follow > > > up till there is no where else to go. > > > But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just > use > > > that information as a set of clues. > > > > > > Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." > > > However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It > > > was > > > part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then > > > genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > I have always taken information given to me with a grain of > > > > salt....not > > > > because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, > > > > as > > > > you > > > > said, its just their word. No back up. > > > > > > > > My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He > > > > thought/assumed > > > > that > > > > it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly > > > > because > > > > of > > > > her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her > > > > by > > > > train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. > > > > She > > > > was > > > > suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but > she > > > > didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both > > > > of > > > > them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's > a > > > > record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) > > > > > > > > But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl > > > > great), > > > he > > > > wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) > until > > > > i > > > > showed him what i found. > > > > > > > > The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their > > > > connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no > > > > where > > > to > > > > look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they > > > > did > > > > in > > > > 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma > > > > said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL > > > > > > > > I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. > I > > > > have > > > > a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his > > > > court > > > > record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I > > > > told > > > > family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one > > > knew > > > > that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great > > > grandma. > > > > I > > > > said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage > had > > > > been > > > > in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Alli ;0) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > > > >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of > the > > > > > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of > > > > > the > > > > > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. > > > > > Only > > > > > an > > > > > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man > > > > > named > > > > > Art > > > > > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At > > > > > the > > > > > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the > > > > > audience > > > > > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then > > > wrote > > > > > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from > one > > > > > person > > > > > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of > the > > > > > show > > > > > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > > > > > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the > phrase > > > > > that > > > > > he'd begun with. > > > > > > > > > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered > > > > > documentation > > > > > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept > > > Cherokee > > > > > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > > > > > > > > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are > > > > > always > > > > > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books > > > > > one > > > > > reads > > > > > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, > resources > > > > > then > > > > > it > > > > > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that > > > > > resourced > > > a > > > > > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These > are > > > not > > > > > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > > > > > this....in > > > > > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of > > > > > deeds > > > > > or > > > > > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & > > > > > Fallam, > > > > > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > > > > > > > > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's > > > > > stories > > > > > about > > > > > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like > good > > > > > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only > solid > > > > > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white > > > > > relationships > > > in > > > > > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take > these > > > > > with > > > > > grains of salt...sure we do! > > > > > > > > > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > > chatting > > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > > List archive > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > > Dual admin. > > > > Dan and Joyce > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've thought that, too, Deborah. And, Alli, I think I have in my notes where David had a son or brother named Thomas, but I can't look tonight. I have to be up too early. Boo! Deborah, David had two families. When he returned to the east, he remarried and another large family. I don't believe this was to a Cherokee woman, but I haven't worked on this for awhile so my memory might be faulty on that. When I'm looking for Alli, I'll look for you, too. I know I was working on that and have some notes of where I wanted to look next. Don't let me forget. You have my email addy so nag me. With finals and Christmas on the horizon my brain gets Teflon coated. Genealogy is a great way to unwind. Can't wait for the Christmas break. I work at a university and we totally close the campus right before Christmas, even shut off the electricity. It saves a ton of money. we're flying fast low and below enemy radar in the student billing office to close this term and get ready for the next. Always busy and exciting! Susan

Sure 'nuff is, Susan. Nancy Rider being the dtr of Austin Rider. Her mother being a Nancy Ward descendent via Caty and Ellis Harlin. Austin (and Caty) were land Reservation recipients...both at Tellico. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee Joyce, this David Thompson is the one who married Nancy Rider, went west and returned east when Nancy and his youngest children died in Cherokee Nation west, yes? Alli, if so, I have all the Thompson Dawes packets and Miller applications for this line. My cousin's son-in-law recently discovered this was his heritage. I have about half or a little more of the Rider applications that go with them and some other goodies, too. Let me know if you want them. Contact me off list with an address and I'll put them on a disk for you. Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dan MY mother was a Genealogist. She also was the Librarian at the University of Willamette Oregon. She died not knowing who she was nor that she was a Cherokee named Virginia. She died not knowing the story of our family. All she knew was Names,Births, Deaths, dates, and locations.And White.All written out on a big piece of cardboard. She never connected the dots.She never knew why her mother was "Georgia" Thanks BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > This is not a Cherokee study list. > Its genealogy. > Meaning people connecting names (not) history. > [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. > This list is only to help people connect names. > The rest is moot here. > Thanks. > Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The > American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a > name > connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. > Aho? > On Dec 4, 2012 6:51 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then > > follow > > up till there is no where else to go. > > But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just use > > that information as a set of clues. > > > > Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." > > However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It > > was > > part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then > > genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > I have always taken information given to me with a grain of > > > salt....not > > > because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, > > > as > > > you > > > said, its just their word. No back up. > > > > > > My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He > > > thought/assumed > > > that > > > it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly > > > because > > > of > > > her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her > > > by > > > train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. > > > She > > > was > > > suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but she > > > didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both > > > of > > > them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's a > > > record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) > > > > > > But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl > > > great), > > he > > > wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) until > > > i > > > showed him what i found. > > > > > > The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their > > > connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no > > > where > > to > > > look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they > > > did > > > in > > > 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma > > > said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL > > > > > > I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. I > > > have > > > a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his > > > court > > > record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I > > > told > > > family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one > > knew > > > that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great > > grandma. > > > I > > > said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage had > > > been > > > in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet > > > :) > > > > > > Alli ;0) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the > > > > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of > > > > the > > > > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. > > > > Only > > > > an > > > > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man > > > > named > > > > Art > > > > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At > > > > the > > > > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the > > > > audience > > > > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then > > wrote > > > > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one > > > > person > > > > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the > > > > show > > > > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > > > > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase > > > > that > > > > he'd begun with. > > > > > > > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered > > > > documentation > > > > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept > > Cherokee > > > > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > > > > > > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are > > > > always > > > > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books > > > > one > > > > reads > > > > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources > > > > then > > > > it > > > > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that > > > > resourced > > a > > > > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are > > not > > > > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > > > > this....in > > > > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of > > > > deeds > > > > or > > > > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & > > > > Fallam, > > > > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > > > > > > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's > > > > stories > > > > about > > > > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good > > > > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid > > > > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white > > > > relationships > > in > > > > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these > > > > with > > > > grains of salt...sure we do! > > > > > > > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > chatting > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is not a Cherokee study list. Its genealogy. Meaning people connecting names (not) history. [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. This list is only to help people connect names. The rest is moot here. Thanks. Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a name connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. Aho? On Dec 4, 2012 6:51 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then > follow > up till there is no where else to go. > But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just use > that information as a set of clues. > > Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." > However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It was > part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then > genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > I have always taken information given to me with a grain of salt....not > > because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, as > > you > > said, its just their word. No back up. > > > > My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He thought/assumed > > that > > it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly because > > of > > her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her by > > train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. She > > was > > suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but she > > didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both of > > them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's a > > record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) > > > > But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl great), > he > > wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) until i > > showed him what i found. > > > > The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their > > connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no where > to > > look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they did > > in > > 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma > > said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL > > > > I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. I > > have > > a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his > > court > > record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I told > > family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one > knew > > that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great > grandma. > > I > > said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage had > > been > > in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet :) > > > > Alli ;0) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the > > > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of the > > > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. > > > Only > > > an > > > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man named > > > Art > > > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At the > > > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the > > > audience > > > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then > wrote > > > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one > > > person > > > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the > > > show > > > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > > > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase > > > that > > > he'd begun with. > > > > > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered documentation > > > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept > Cherokee > > > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > > > > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are > > > always > > > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books one > > > reads > > > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources > > > then > > > it > > > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that resourced > a > > > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are > not > > > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > > > this....in > > > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of > > > deeds > > > or > > > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & > > > Fallam, > > > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > > > > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's stories > > > about > > > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good > > > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid > > > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white relationships > in > > > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these > > > with > > > grains of salt...sure we do! > > > > > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joyce, this David Thompson is the one who married Nancy Rider, went west and returned east when Nancy and his youngest children died in Cherokee Nation west, yes? Alli, if so, I have all the Thompson Dawes packets and Miller applications for this line. My cousin's son-in-law recently discovered this was his heritage. I have about half or a little more of the Rider applications that go with them and some other goodies, too. Let me know if you want them. Contact me off list with an address and I'll put them on a disk for you. Susan

Wow! I hadn't thought of Philadelphia. Alli, this one really has some potential. I have a study guide to do for my final next week and after that, I think I shall have to play with your ancestors awhile. I do hope they'll have some fun stories to tell! Susan

Well......it may not be mine unless his parents were Thomas & Delphia :) If they are.........Oh I'd love ya for life LOL :) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > Joyce, this David Thompson is the one who married Nancy Rider, went > west and returned east when Nancy and his youngest children died in > Cherokee Nation west, yes? Alli, if so, I have all the Thompson Dawes > packets and Miller applications for this line. My cousin's son-in-law > recently discovered this was his heritage. I have about half or a > little more of the Rider applications that go with them and some other > goodies, too. Let me know if you want them. Contact me off list with > an address and I'll put them on a disk for you. > > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yeah as i've learned with researching my dad's family.......anything is possible. I haven't found anything concrete, BUT!! I took some time off from searching, so maybe once I get back into it :) Its an interesting family (to me) so I'm sure my ancestors have some stories to share.....I just have to find them :) Good luck on your final :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Delphia Thompson > Wow! I hadn't thought of Philadelphia. Alli, this one really has > some potential. I have a study guide to do for my final next week and > after that, I think I shall have to play with your ancestors awhile. > I do hope they'll have some fun stories to tell! > > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then follow up till there is no where else to go. But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just use that information as a set of clues. Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It was part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > I have always taken information given to me with a grain of salt....not > because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, as > you > said, its just their word. No back up. > > My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He thought/assumed > that > it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly because > of > her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her by > train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. She > was > suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but she > didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both of > them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's a > record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) > > But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl great), he > wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) until i > showed him what i found. > > The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their > connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no where to > look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they did > in > 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma > said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL > > I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. I > have > a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his > court > record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I told > family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one knew > that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great grandma. > I > said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage had > been > in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet :) > > Alli ;0) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the > > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of the > > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. > > Only > > an > > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man named > > Art > > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At the > > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the > > audience > > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then wrote > > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one > > person > > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the > > show > > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase > > that > > he'd begun with. > > > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered documentation > > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept Cherokee > > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are > > always > > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books one > > reads > > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources > > then > > it > > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that resourced a > > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are not > > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > > this....in > > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of > > deeds > > or > > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & > > Fallam, > > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's stories > > about > > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good > > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid > > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white relationships in > > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these > > with > > grains of salt...sure we do! > > > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yep...........that means I'm safe :) Tee Hee....... ok, shutting up before I get a skillet upside my head :) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee time line via; > Tag line says it all. > '))

I have helped many as well over the years Barb, even traveling 45 min's to order microfilm to get applications for people. I have also helped connect people with their ancestors & to each other (2 of which use to be apart of this group, not sure if they are still here or not). I enjoy helping others find their ancestor's, because I learn much from that & sometimes find answer's to my own questions..... but that's what this group is for......to help others. Alli > On Dec 4, 2012 4:14 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Alli and Group >> Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection to >> main line Cherokee. >> BARB

Susan, David and Nancy RIder lived near my family in Georgia and for that reason I have long suspected a relationship to my line. I can not prove it though. THeir son also named several kids same names as in our family, and they were not that common. I would be very interested in anything you might find on these THOMPSONS: ? THOMPSON md. or had children with Elizabeth born abt 1827 NC lived in Fannin and Union Co. GA possible other regions. She MAYBE a LONG by birth, but that is not proven, just strong circumstantial evidence. IF so she would be dau. of James R. LONG and Uly CANSLER or a first 'wife' of this James LONG. she had: Lovada Ann b abt Jan 1845 GA James Manuel b abt 1848 NC Caroline Lydia or Lydia Caroline b abt 1849 GA possible Arminda b abt 1859 GA maybe others. These people were very mobile, Lovada married several times, ? MORGAN, Wm. Columbus FORTNER and ? DAVIS James Manuel md. Sarah Matilda SHELTON or Sarah Louise or Sarah Matilda LEATHERWOOD Caroline Lydia md. Samuel F. STANLEY James M. and Sarah moved to Marshall Co. ALA near mixed Cherokee from IVy LOG, then they went to James Co. TN and Meigs/Rhea Co.'s living in BIrchwood, SMith's X ROADS, ect. from there he took his children and went to INd. TErr. abt 1889 after 'she died'. His sister Lovada went with him as did some of his married children, all from Meigs Co. TN families who went too (CANTRELL, DAVIS family of Samuel DAVIS, MYERS, MOORE, SMITH among them). Caroline remained in GA and E TN. if anything here rings a bell, fits or could possible fit I'd be delighted to know. I have been 'stuck' for awhile on a few mysteries of this line. For one, who fathered all of Elizabeth's children? names later include Hiram, Virgil, Lovada, Cordelia, Miles "Milas" ----- Original Message ---- From: Alli :) <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, December 4, 2012 6:27:25 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee Well......it may not be mine unless his parents were Thomas & Delphia :) If they are.........Oh I'd love ya for life LOL :) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > Joyce, this David Thompson is the one who married Nancy Rider, went > west and returned east when Nancy and his youngest children died in > Cherokee Nation west, yes? Alli, if so, I have all the Thompson Dawes > packets and Miller applications for this line. My cousin's son-in-law > recently discovered this was his heritage. I have about half or a > little more of the Rider applications that go with them and some other > goodies, too. Let me know if you want them. Contact me off list with > an address and I'll put them on a disk for you. > > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Herb, What are your surnames? Joyce Gaston Reece

Prayers are on the wind for your son & your family & his, may his recovery be complete & swift. As for the rest.........I'll not touch. Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Alli and Group > > I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what I > speak of. > > My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and answering > to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am this > morning. > > IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has > disappeared. > > *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, > and > ***I had to stay home with a cold > > Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) > > I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost > Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works > for the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." > Somehow that info never reached this group. > Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection to > main line Cherokee. > > ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to > "do no harm". > > Please forgive my "airs" > I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee > Chosen, Spirit Warrior > > If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. > My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. > Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. > > BARB

Thanks for the links..... But who argues? surely no one here does :) (you did say no arguing, but didn't say no sarcasim LOL) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee time line via; > http://www.tennesseeoverhill.com/cherokeeheritage/cherokee_timeline.asp > > Just a link to share. > History and genealogy go together. > All other conversations go to [email protected] > this is an archived list and we prefer to keep the data and chat > separated. > Also - no arguing. > Dan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tag line says it all. ')) On Dec 4, 2012 5:22 PM, "Alli :)" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the links..... > > But who argues? surely no one here does :) > > (you did say no arguing, but didn't say no sarcasim LOL) :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee time line via; > > > > http://www.tennesseeoverhill.com/cherokeeheritage/cherokee_timeline.asp > > > > Just a link to share. > > History and genealogy go together. > > All other conversations go to [email protected] > > this is an archived list and we prefer to keep the data and chat > > separated. > > Also - no arguing. > > Dan > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yahoo (never) has been down. I have 56 groups on yahoo. Never been down unless specified ahead of time. As for the other. We are just people. We help when we can. No one is above or better than another. Also that message mainly should go to the other group. Its not part of the need to know parts of this list. we are genealogy here. Only. Always free. Any one gets caught charging via list will be removed. Nothing has been removed from the archives not even I can do that not even staff will remove non offensive messages. Your misstaken. Aho! On Dec 4, 2012 4:14 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > Alli and Group > > I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what I > speak of. > > My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and answering > to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am this > morning. > > IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has > disappeared. > > *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, > and > ***I had to stay home with a cold > > Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) > > I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost > Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works for > the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." > Somehow that info never reached this group. > Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection to > main line Cherokee. > > ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to "do > no harm". > > Please forgive my "airs" > I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee > Chosen, Spirit Warrior > > If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. > My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. > Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. > > BARB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) > > guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. > > > > And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? If > > they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our messages, > > I > > know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all over > > the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which is > > annoying in itself)....... > > > > You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their family > > tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who seems > to > > think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. You > > spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources & > > specific documented proof. > > > > The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a child & > > say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to SHARE > > links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss > > information. > > > > So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if that's > > how > > Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else race I > > have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society today......don't > > need it here too. > > > > 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, or > > neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. > > > > DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. > > > > Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not some > > made > > up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what you > > say > > or you can't...... > > > > no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or anyone > > elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At least > > She > > gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others over > the > > years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S > what > > a > > real genealogist does. > > > > Alli > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > > > > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > > > garbage. > > > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know > > > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely > > > guarded > > > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I > > > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > > > > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did > > > not > > > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father > > > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And > > > raised > > > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon > > > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that > > > everyone called her. > > > > > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called > > > it > > > DNA memory. > > > > > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was > > > murdered > > > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. > The > > > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew > > > up. > > > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > > > > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > > > > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I > > > am > > > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee > > > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, > it > > > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for McMinn County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a chord with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew Benge and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world sometimes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > Karen, > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > Don > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's >> at Winchester VA. Most >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee >> > have >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We >> are thankful >> > for them. >> > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George >> Washington >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know >> > the >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester >> > occupants >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to >> > rebuild. >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. >> > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And >> > the >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee >> > and >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, >> > LEE,) >> > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. >> > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. >> > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later >> became "Federal >> > Road" >> > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, >> > Kentucky, >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) >> > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY >> > THIRD >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE >> > AND >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) >> > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) >> > Please >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and >> not by an act >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. >> > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property >> > from >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan >> > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote >> a book out >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. >> > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... >> > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian >> linage goes back to >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape >> > >> > BARB >> >> >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >>Rude people will be moderated asap! >>List archive >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >>Dual admin. >>Dan and Joyce >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was the Obediah Martin Benge possibly a descendant or part of the Judge John Martin Jr. family? I think so! I have Judge Martin's granddaughter, Ruth Ellen Martin, married to a James Franklin Benge, b.1849--d.1908. Ruth Ellen was the daughter of Joseph Lynch Martin, born Cherokee Nation likely in Habersham Co. GA; parents of Ruth Ellen were Joseph Lynch Martin and Caroline Garrett. Judge John Martin Jr. was the First Chief Cherokee Supreme Court Justice in both the East and West nations. He was the first, Chief Supreme Court Justice of the Cherokee nation in GA & TN and a circuit Judge of two Cherokee districts, sometimes held court at Athens, after his removal to (IT) Okla his final settlement was adjudicated at Athens. Also, Gen Joseph Martin his uncle, had a son, James C. Martin who lived on Mouse Creek, just outside Athens, TN. (Thanks Joyce for James's farm location) I'm looking for any of these descendants, not sure if there are any left in TN, or GA, I think they all went to Indian Territory in 1837. Family reunion and "monument" to honor Judge John Martin will be erected and ceremony in Tahlequah, OK. on June 8th at 2PM., Col. Joe Martin, Officiating. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Herb Waldrup Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for McMinn County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a chord with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew Benge and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world sometimes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > Karen, > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > Don > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's >> at Winchester VA. Most >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee >> > have >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We >> are thankful >> > for them. >> > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George >> Washington >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know >> > the >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester >> > occupants >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to >> > rebuild. >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. >> > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And >> > the >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee >> > and >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, >> > LEE,) >> > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. >> > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. >> > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later >> became "Federal >> > Road" >> > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, >> > Kentucky, >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) >> > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY >> > THIRD >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE >> > AND >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) >> > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) >> > Please >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and >> not by an act >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. >> > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property >> > from >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan >> > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote >> a book out >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. >> > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... >> > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian >> linage goes back to >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape >> > >> > BARB >> >> >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >>Rude people will be moderated asap! >>List archive >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >>Dual admin. >>Dan and Joyce >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. 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