Last comment on this. I use my yahoo address to back up my groups. All messages are there every day there are no breaks of service. All my yahoo groups pages always work. So what ever experience your having is not confirmed by my access. Ok. So back to genealogy or back to moderated. Choice? On Dec 7, 2012 12:11 AM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > All over the country people are still complaining.I just to day got Phil > Konstantin's Novemeber news letter.He tried 21 times to send it. This is > December, even in California. > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > Really? > > > > Not on my end > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > Yahoo is down. > > > > > > BARB > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All over the country people are still complaining.I just to day got Phil Konstantin's Novemeber news letter.He tried 21 times to send it. This is December, even in California. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Really? > > Not on my end > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > Yahoo is down. > > > > BARB > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Two of my Thompson relatives (siblings of my gg grandfather, James Allen Thompson) moved to the Texas Cherokee area after moving to IT during the Removal. Benjamin Franklin Thompson went to Texas and stayed there permanently. His family became very prominent in the lumber business. His sister Rachel Thompson Adair also went to Texas but returned to IT after several years. Some of the original Texas Cherokees were also Thompsons but it's never been clear to me if or how they were related. Some web sites say that the original Texas Cherokee/Choctaw Thompsons were descendants of a brother or cousin of my ancestor, William Allen Thompson (who was not married to a Cherokee and who died in Georgia before removal), but I've never seen a family tree or documents that actually make this connection. Thompson is a pretty common name! James Allen Thompson took several of his children and their families to the Red River area of Texas for safety during the Civil War (a lot of Cher! okee families, including Stand Watie's family spent the war years in that area). Kathie ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: Deborah Woolf <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] David Thompson/Nancy Rider To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathie, I have see, n documentation on the family you mentioned, ie., Benjamin, James Allen, Rachel. The others interested me too and I found bits on them but it was along time ago. I always shared so it would be in the archives. This group is part of the Texas Cherokee if I remember right and there use to be a terrific website with info. on them. Try googling that and see if you find it. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 5:11:25 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] David Thompson/Nancy Rider I have Clarissa Rider and a David Thompson in my tree. Clarissa was first married to Robert Calhoun Parks, her 3rd cousin, brother of my great-grandfather, and then to David George Thompson, born in Georgia in 1840, died in IT in 1902. I don't know much about either of them since Clarissa is not my ancestor. I have lots of Thompson ancestors, but I don't think that this David Thompson is related to me either - not aware of any Davids or Georges in my family. I do try to follow up on Thompsons from Georgia with Cherokee connections because I only have information on 4 Thompson siblings from my family who married Cherokees (James Allen, Benjamin Franklin, Johnson, and Rachel) and went west to IT . I would love to find out more about the others, William Allen Jr., Ann Abigail, Elizabeth, Henry Clay, and Isabella (all born between 1790 and 1810 in South Carolina and moved to Georgia after 1810 ). Kathie Parks Forbes

The lady that was helping me with my research descend's from Adairs. I haven't found anything on my Thompson's to know where they moved to outside of Okla. :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:10 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Texas Thompson Cherokees > Two of my Thompson relatives (siblings of my gg grandfather, James Allen > Thompson) moved to the Texas Cherokee area after moving to IT during the > Removal. Benjamin Franklin Thompson went to Texas and stayed there > permanently. His family became very prominent in the lumber business. > His sister Rachel Thompson Adair also went to Texas but returned to IT > after several years. Some of the original Texas Cherokees were also > Thompsons but it's never been clear to me if or how they were related. > Some web sites say that the original Texas Cherokee/Choctaw Thompsons were > descendants of a brother or cousin of my ancestor, William Allen Thompson > (who was not married to a Cherokee and who died in Georgia before > removal), but I've never seen a family tree or documents that actually > make this connection. Thompson is a pretty common name! James Allen > Thompson took several of his children and their families to the Red River > area of Texas for safety during the Civil War (a lot of Cher! > okee families, including Stand Watie's family spent the war years in that > area). > Kathie

susan you mentioned you have info about jamestown 1640,my ancestors were there around that time ,wonder what you have on type of place & conditions were there. the name is dabbs(dobbs) from england. earleene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Barb, the reason people are asking for documentation on some of these > statements is because there are historical problems. We really would > like to believe but there has to be some proof, not vague statements > to the effect of go find it yourself. Please know I'm not being ugly, > we're all looking for the truth, too. Let me explain > > You wrote: > 'It was predominate and common in the 1600's to 1700's. and later. > all Cherokee goes back to Pocahontas or to her sister, Nikkia....and > MOYTOY > and Quatsie.' > > Response: True the Indian Nations married their cousins - that's all > they had most of the time. But this was not a Cherokee phenomenon, it > was a HUMAN phenomenon and all people did/do it. In fact, we all go > back to first man and first woman, however we think they arrived here, > so we are ALL cousins whether we wish it so or not. How is it ALL > Cherokee go back to Pocahontas (see the next paragraph). Who was her > Cherokee husband or lover? Those we call the Cherokee today were > chronicled by DeSoto in the 1500s and were not in Virginia. Did they > live there at some point? Yes, but it must be remembered that what > was called Virginia THEN and what is called Virginia now are two > different things. In the Virginia Company charter of 1609 almost all > of what we call Kentucky (except the far western part), Tennessee and > North Carolina were called Virginia. So yes, they lived in Virginia > then but not around the settlements and not near the Powhatans, likely > not in what we know as modern Virginia. They certainly might have > traded with them, the Nations did have a large and robust trade > system, but there is no evidence they lived in close proximity. So, > if you have that evidence, please, please, please share it. I would > love to explore it and maybe do my thesis on it! > > > You wrote: "For example, General Robert E Lee was cousin to General > John B Gordon. Both > men married their cousins. And that is just one example. After Eleven > years > of intense study and research. Both men, in fact, all of them, were > Powhowtan-Cherokee." > > Response: The Powhatan Nation states Pocahontas, proper name Matoaka, > is the only child of Powhatan's whose name is known. > http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html She was a little girl when the > first Jamestown settlers arrived and was dead by the age of 21 in 1617 > in England. She had only one known child, Thomas Rolfe, and I have > never found a link between Thomas Rolfe and the Lees and it would > almost certainly have to come from this line if they are Powhatan and > who was the Cherokee ancestor? The people in Lee's line are > documented right back to England with no breaks I have been able to > find. I do leave that with an open mind, though, hoping for more > information. Please, do share your documentation. There are plenty > of records on the Lees and I just can't find it. The Powhatans hated > whites, this is well known, so people are going to view this > skeptically. Was there more intermarriage? It's possible certainly > but it's not noted in early records. Most of what we know took place > around Jamestown and there ARE records for there. It's entirely > possible the "lost colony" of Roanoke was absorbed into the Powhatan > Nation and its history forever lost in the mists of time. Please, > though, give us the straight scoop rather than an answer that could be > taken as evasive. That will never convince anyone. > > > You wrote: "Four hundred years ago there was a Native American Nation > here named the > Algonquin Nation. Most tribes were destroyed. They were directly > related and the same family" > > > Response: True the Powhatans are Algonquian and the Powhatan > confederacy and many of the tribes of the confederacy were largely > destroyed by 1644. The Cherokee are Iroquoian though and were not > known to be part of this confederacy by any name associated with the > Cherokee (and yes, Cherokee is a European phonetic corruption of one > of the names the Cherokee have for themselves - Tsa-la-gi. It just > doesn't translate phonetically very well.) > > I promise you, I'm not being ugly or poking at you. I have very high > standards in my research and, like any good historian or genealogist I > want the science to be right and the proof provided. I don't want my > passion to be seen as quackery or junk science. If there is nothing > more than a whispered something in a dark corner, it will never be > accepted and people will throw stones and hurt you. I have just > finished a research project for class on Jamestown and I would dearly > love to know what records you have. I want to put my hands on them if > I can. I have a ton of old books and access to many documents that > are begging to be read. > > Happy time travels! > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really? Not on my end ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Yahoo is down. > > BARB

I have Clarissa Rider and a David Thompson in my tree. Clarissa was first married to Robert Calhoun Parks, her 3rd cousin, brother of my great-grandfather, and then to David George Thompson, born in Georgia in 1840, died in IT in 1902. I don't know much about either of them since Clarissa is not my ancestor. I have lots of Thompson ancestors, but I don't think that this David Thompson is related to me either - not aware of any Davids or Georges in my family. I do try to follow up on Thompsons from Georgia with Cherokee connections because I only have information on 4 Thompson siblings from my family who married Cherokees (James Allen, Benjamin Franklin, Johnson, and Rachel) and went west to IT . I would love to find out more about the others, William Allen Jr., Ann Abigail, Elizabeth, Henry Clay, and Isabella (all born between 1790 and 1810 in South Carolina and moved to Georgia after 1810 ). Kathie Parks Forbes

Kathie, I have see, n documentation on the family you mentioned, ie., Benjamin, James Allen, Rachel. The others interested me too and I found bits on them but it was along time ago. I always shared so it would be in the archives. This group is part of the Texas Cherokee if I remember right and there use to be a terrific website with info. on them. Try googling that and see if you find it. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 5:11:25 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] David Thompson/Nancy Rider I have Clarissa Rider and a David Thompson in my tree. Clarissa was first married to Robert Calhoun Parks, her 3rd cousin, brother of my great-grandfather, and then to David George Thompson, born in Georgia in 1840, died in IT in 1902. I don't know much about either of them since Clarissa is not my ancestor. I have lots of Thompson ancestors, but I don't think that this David Thompson is related to me either - not aware of any Davids or Georges in my family. I do try to follow up on Thompsons from Georgia with Cherokee connections because I only have information on 4 Thompson siblings from my family who married Cherokees (James Allen, Benjamin Franklin, Johnson, and Rachel) and went west to IT . I would love to find out more about the others, William Allen Jr., Ann Abigail, Elizabeth, Henry Clay, and Isabella (all born between 1790 and 1810 in South Carolina and moved to Georgia after 1810 ). Kathie Parks Forbes =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No it isn't. If yahoo was down all of at&t would be down and I wouldn't be sending this email. Joyce Gaston Reece

Colonel You probably know more about these families than I do, it has been a very long time since I did the research on the "Benge Trail of Tears" travelers. Computers used DOS in those days and I still operate some of those programs. This information may be used for research but not for documentation PLEASE. Obediah Martin Benge II, b. 1 Jan 1840 Son of Martin "Mark "Tiu" Benge b. ca 1805 Rutherford, TN and Elizabeth Lowrey ( Dau of Col. John Lowrey & Car-Na-Loo-Ge- Acke "Runafter" McLemore.) Son of Obediah Martin Benge b ca 1763, Albemarle VA, and Sarah Fields ( Dau of George Fields and Lydia Shorey) Son of John " Trader John" Benge b. ca 1735 Albemarle VA & Elizabeth Lewis Dau of William Terrell Lewis and Sarah Martin) Son of Thomas Benge Sr. b. ca 1710 Albemarle VA and Martha Martin ( Dau of Joseph Martin and Susanah Chiles) Son of Robert Benge b. ca 1665, James City, VA Might be son of John Benge b ca 1615 Might be son of William Binge/Byng b. ca 1571 Wrotham, Kent, England, immigrant died USA Might be son of Robert Byng b ca 1540 England and Frances Hill England. Might be son of John byng b. 1510 Wortham England and Agnes Spencer Might be son of Thomas Byng b. 1477 Wortham England and Joan Hicks. As to the linage of James Franklin Benge III, b. 4 Jan 1849 Tahlequah Dist, IT, married Hettie Galcatcher, Ruth Ellen Martin and Ellen Clark. Again use for research only not for documentation PLEASE. Son of Anderson Benge b. ca 1820 Cherokee Nation East, and Susan Henrietta Foreman (Dau. of James Fields and Delialah Fields) Son of John Riddle Benge b ca 1787 Jackosn Al, (Chief Wagonmaster for Cpt. Benge) and Quatie Conrad ( Dau of Hamilton "Gunrod" Conrad and Ollie Ar-le" Son of Robert "The Bench" Benge b. ca 1760 Toqua, TN, and the Sister of Chief Dragging Canoe) Son of John "Trader John" Benge b 1735 Albemarle VA and Wur-Teh "Bird Clan" "Betsy" Watts) ( Dau. of Willinaway "Great Eagle" Carpenter and Aniwodi Wurtea) From here you can follow the same possible lineage, See John "Trader John" Benge above. I will be glad to take suggestions and or corrections but I do not want to get in a huge fray is this list is prone to do some days. (I am not the expert.) Colonel you indicate that the parents of Ruth Ellen Martin was Joseph Lynch Martin and Caroline Garrett. You may be right but I had always though she was the daughter of one of the Lucy's that he married. If anyone has his six wives all sorted out I would be interested. Don At 05:38 PM 12/4/2012, you wrote: > Was the Obediah Martin Benge possibly a descendant or part of the Judge >John Martin Jr. family? I think so! I have Judge Martin's granddaughter, >Ruth Ellen Martin, married to a James Franklin Benge, b.1849--d.1908. Ruth >Ellen was the daughter of Joseph Lynch Martin, born Cherokee Nation likely >in Habersham Co. GA; parents of Ruth Ellen were Joseph Lynch Martin and >Caroline Garrett. > Judge John Martin Jr. was the First Chief Cherokee Supreme Court Justice >in both the East and West nations. He was the first, Chief Supreme Court >Justice of the Cherokee nation in GA & TN and a circuit Judge of two >Cherokee districts, sometimes held court at Athens, after his removal to >(IT) Okla his final settlement was adjudicated at Athens. > Also, Gen Joseph Martin his uncle, had a son, James C. Martin who lived on >Mouse Creek, just outside Athens, TN. (Thanks Joyce for James's farm >location) I'm looking for any of these descendants, not sure if there are >any left in TN, or GA, I think they all went to Indian Territory in 1837. >Family reunion and "monument" to honor Judge John Martin will be erected and >ceremony in Tahlequah, OK. on June 8th at 2PM., Col. Joe Martin, >Officiating. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Herb Waldrup >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:09 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > >I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for McMinn >County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a chord >with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A >little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew Benge >and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world >sometimes. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > > > > Karen, > > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > > Don > > > > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > > > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I > >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of > >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my > >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my > >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the > >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah > >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? > >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's > >> at Winchester VA. Most > >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > >> > have > >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > >> are thankful > >> > for them. > >> > > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > >> Washington > >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know > >> > the > >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > >> > occupants > >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to > >> > rebuild. > >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. > >> > > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And > >> > the > >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee > >> > and > >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > >> > LEE,) > >> > > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > >> > > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > >> > > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later > >> became "Federal > >> > Road" > >> > > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > >> > Kentucky, > >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > >> > > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY > >> > THIRD > >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > >> > AND > >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > >> > > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > >> > Please > >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and > >> not by an act > >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. > >> > > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > >> > from > >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > >> > > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote > >> a book out > >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > >> > > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > >> > > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian > >> linage goes back to > >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > >> > > >> > BARB > >> > >> > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >> > >>Rude people will be moderated asap! > >>List archive > >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >>Dual admin. > >>Dan and Joyce > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is >required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

holey cow......there was a lot of excess message left....... :) Dan, what is your link again (yes, after 15 yrs I should have that sucker memorized) & for Judy's is it just www.accessgenealogy.com or is it different? Thanks Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Notice that the list is called (Cherokee genealogy) > so folks know we are dealing with Cherokee in mind. > The rest of the conversation goes to [email protected] its like having > a class for math and a class for english you have to go to another room. > Because the lists being archived researchers are spared the drama . > Aho? > yes? > Means the drama is fine on the other group. People join both groups. Those > who want just the facts mamm are here. > as also I have all the roles on my website for download and Judy as well > on access genealogy. > so if we must chatter there is also cherokeechat and cherokeemainvillage > and cherokeeprayer cherokeemusic cherokeehistory ... Oh. You got off that > one .. Well if you really want to pass drama lets use some other group. > Facts. Work on getting and posting facts some times requires conversation. > But not about non related topics. I might not have a phd but I have the > mod > buttons. > Dan

I responded to the one message already, but I'll switch it to the culture list next time :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > This is not a Cherokee study list. > Its genealogy. > Meaning people connecting names (not) history. > [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. > This list is only to help people connect names. > The rest is moot here. > Thanks. > Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The > American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a > name > connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. > Aho?

Thanks Susan, Focus on school stuff :) every line, but especially my "older" lines name at least 1 boy after the dad, any other boys after brothers of the parents or the grandpa. My Phariss line is bad on that....EVERY boy in the family that I have found had at least 1 son named Samuel. my dbl great grandpa was a Samuel his youngest son was Samuel & the only one with a known middle name LOL but when you don't have a middle name.....its very confusing lol some times they use the first & middle name of a dad or brother :) My the dbl great grandparents named the oldest boy after my dbl great grandma's dad (James Adams)....its fun lol So if there's another Thomas Thompson that's a Jr. it would not surprise me. Because for back then, I think it was rare for them to just have 3-4 kids. All I know (based on my dbl. great grandma's words) is that she had 2 uncle (James & David), her mom Elizabeth & another daughter.....unless she was talking about her grandma? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > I've thought that, too, Deborah. And, Alli, I think I have in my > notes where David had a son or brother named Thomas, but I can't look > tonight. I have to be up too early. Boo! > > Deborah, David had two families. When he returned to the east, he > remarried and another large family. I don't believe this was to a > Cherokee woman, but I haven't worked on this for awhile so my memory > might be faulty on that. When I'm looking for Alli, I'll look for > you, too. I know I was working on that and have some notes of where I > wanted to look next. > > Don't let me forget. You have my email addy so nag me. With finals > and Christmas on the horizon my brain gets Teflon coated. Genealogy > is a great way to unwind. Can't wait for the Christmas break. I work > at a university and we totally close the campus right before > Christmas, even shut off the electricity. It saves a ton of money. > we're flying fast low and below enemy radar in the student billing > office to close this term and get ready for the next. Always busy and > exciting! > > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Grrrr....

Herb, Thanks for the note, I am sorry to report that Bonnie Mae (Benge) Thompson, Grace, Fant passed away 13 May 2003, according to the records of Glen Rose, Somervell, Texas. Don At 05:08 PM 12/4/2012, you wrote: >I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for McMinn >County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a chord >with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A >little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew Benge >and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world >sometimes. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > > > > Karen, > > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > > Don > > > > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > > > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I > >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of > >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my > >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my > >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the > >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah > >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? > >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's > >> at Winchester VA. Most > >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > >> > have > >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > >> are thankful > >> > for them. > >> > > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > >> Washington > >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know > >> > the > >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > >> > occupants > >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to > >> > rebuild. > >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. > >> > > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And > >> > the > >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee > >> > and > >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > >> > LEE,) > >> > > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > >> > > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > >> > > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later > >> became "Federal > >> > Road" > >> > > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > >> > Kentucky, > >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > >> > > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY > >> > THIRD > >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > >> > AND > >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > >> > > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > >> > Please > >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and > >> not by an act > >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. > >> > > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > >> > from > >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > >> > > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote > >> a book out > >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > >> > > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > >> > > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian > >> linage goes back to > >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > >> > > >> > BARB > >> > >> > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >> > >>Rude people will be moderated asap! > >>List archive > >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >>Dual admin. > >>Dan and Joyce > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, This needs to be switched to the Culture list (Cherokee-L) as per requested by Dan......so if there's any other non-research specific messages (if an answer is required) I will respond on that list, so if your not on that group, you will probably miss them. Now.... as for your message........ Whether I receive information from the "government" or from an individual, I take with a grain of salt. Neither is the end all beat all source. The lady that had found my 4th great grandma on a census record told me that based on her research of my line, that the lady she found listed on the census was Cherokee(it stated on the census record as such) was a known researcher for the Cherokee Nation of Okla., researched/volunteered at the LDS Family History Center in her area, is a Cherokee Descendent herself (directly & off shoot...meaning aunts/uncles married Cherokee's too) very good at what she did. But.......i still don't have that information. I have been told by others who have researched the same line that was told by another well known researcher & Cherokee that my family WAS Cherokee. Well.........just because a few agree that we are, but there's no "proof" as someone who is the know all of Cherokee (& I don't mean that disrespectfully)..is that good enough for you as a supposed descendent of Cherokee people? Is that going to be good enough for either the CNO or EBofC ? No.....they want the government documents to prove that their people, really are their fellow Cherokee family. So.........to go along with your quote "Government says that "if it is not in writing, it never was so." The Cherokee Tribes are saying the EXACT same thing. If our ancestors were not on the Dawes, Miller, or Baker Roll revised.....then we are not Cherokee. This has been said by 100's of already rolled Cherokee. Yes, the Cherokee's told story's, passed family tradition & story's, etc.but guess what.......they, too, are following the way of the Government......they too want family connection in writing, just like the wicked old white man's government. Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then > follow up till there is no where else to go. > But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just use > that information as a set of clues. > > Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." > However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It > was part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then > genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) > > BARB

I have suspected our connection through this name too. I'm going to hang on to this (again) & see what i can find also Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Woolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > Susan, David and Nancy RIder lived near my family in Georgia and for > that > reason I have long suspected a relationship to my line. I can not prove > it > though. THeir son also named several kids same names as in our family, > and > they were not that common. > > I would be very interested in anything you might find on these THOMPSONS: > > ? THOMPSON > md. or had children with Elizabeth born abt 1827 NC lived in Fannin and > Union > Co. GA > possible other regions. She MAYBE a LONG by birth, but that is not > proven, > just strong > circumstantial evidence. IF so she would be dau. of James R. LONG and > Uly > CANSLER or > a first 'wife' of this James LONG. > > she had: > Lovada Ann b abt Jan 1845 GA > James Manuel b abt 1848 NC > Caroline Lydia or Lydia Caroline b abt 1849 GA > possible Arminda b abt 1859 GA > > maybe others. > > These people were very mobile, Lovada married several times, ? MORGAN, > Wm. Columbus FORTNER and ? DAVIS > > James Manuel md. Sarah Matilda SHELTON or Sarah Louise or Sarah > Matilda > LEATHERWOOD > > Caroline Lydia md. Samuel F. STANLEY > > James M. and Sarah moved to Marshall Co. ALA near mixed Cherokee > from IVy > LOG, then they went to James Co. TN and Meigs/Rhea Co.'s living in > BIrchwood, > SMith's X ROADS, ect. > from there he took his children and went to INd. TErr. abt 1889 after 'she > died'. His sister Lovada went with him as did some of his married > children, > all from Meigs Co. TN families who went too (CANTRELL, DAVIS family of > Samuel > DAVIS, MYERS, MOORE, SMITH among them). > > Caroline remained in GA and E TN. > > if anything here rings a bell, fits or could possible fit I'd be delighted > to > know. I have been 'stuck' for awhile on a few mysteries of this line. > For > one, who fathered all of Elizabeth's children? > > > names later include Hiram, Virgil, Lovada, Cordelia, Miles "Milas"

Last comment off topic I see no connection between you yahoo and rootsweb? ok no more on list about this ok. Dan On Dec 5, 2012 8:17 AM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yahoo is down. > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > Yahoo (never) has been down. > > I have 56 groups on yahoo. > > Never been down unless specified ahead of time. > > > > As for the other. > > We are just people. > > We help when we can. > > No one is above or better than another. > > Also that message mainly should go to the other group. Its not part of > the > > need to know parts of this list. > > we are genealogy here. Only. > > Always free. > > Any one gets caught charging via list will be removed. > > Nothing has been removed from the archives not even I can do that not > even > > staff will remove non offensive messages. Your misstaken. > > Aho! > > On Dec 4, 2012 4:14 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Alli and Group > > > > > > I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what > I > > > speak of. > > > > > > My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and > > > answering > > > to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am > > > this > > > morning. > > > > > > IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has > > > disappeared. > > > > > > *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, > > > and > > > ***I had to stay home with a cold > > > > > > Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) > > > > > > I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost > > > Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works > > > for > > > the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." > > > Somehow that info never reached this group. > > > Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection > > > to > > > main line Cherokee. > > > > > > ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to > > > "do > > > no harm". > > > > > > Please forgive my "airs" > > > I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee > > > Chosen, Spirit Warrior > > > > > > If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. > > > My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. > > > Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) > > > > guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. > > > > > > > > And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? > > > > If > > > > they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our > > > > messages, > > > > I > > > > know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all > > > > over > > > > the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which > > > > is > > > > annoying in itself)....... > > > > > > > > You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their > > > > family > > > > tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who > > > > seems > > > to > > > > think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. > > > > You > > > > spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources > > > > & > > > > specific documented proof. > > > > > > > > The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a > > > > child & > > > > say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to > SHARE > > > > links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss > > > > information. > > > > > > > > So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if > > > > that's > > > > how > > > > Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else > > > > race I > > > > have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society > > > > today......don't > > > > need it here too. > > > > > > > > 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, > or > > > > neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. > > > > > > > > DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. > > > > > > > > Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not > some > > > > made > > > > up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what > > > > you > > > > say > > > > or you can't...... > > > > > > > > no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or > > > > anyone > > > > elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At > > > > least > > > > She > > > > gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others > over > > > the > > > > years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S > > > what > > > > a > > > > real genealogist does. > > > > > > > > Alli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > > > > > > > > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > > > > > garbage. > > > > > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I > know > > > > > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely > > > > > guarded > > > > > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And > > > > > I > > > > > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > > > > > > > > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They > > > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my > > > > > father > > > > > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And > > > > > raised > > > > > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above > > > > > Oregon > > > > > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name > > > > > that > > > > > everyone called her. > > > > > > > > > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I > > > > > called > > > > > it > > > > > DNA memory. > > > > > > > > > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was > > > > > murdered > > > > > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the > woods. > > > The > > > > > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They > > > > > grew > > > > > up. > > > > > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > > > > > > > > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan > GORDON. > > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The > > > > > Cherokee > > > > > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I > > > > > was, > > > it > > > > > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > > > > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > > chatting > > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > > List archive > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > > Dual admin. > > > > Dan and Joyce > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No. Its your computer. Yahoo is never down. I have 56 groups on yahoo all very much alive every day. I am signed into yahoo my groups now and my yahoo email. No problems. Its just you. On Dec 5, 2012 8:17 AM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yahoo is down. > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > Yahoo (never) has been down. > > I have 56 groups on yahoo. > > Never been down unless specified ahead of time. > > > > As for the other. > > We are just people. > > We help when we can. > > No one is above or better than another. > > Also that message mainly should go to the other group. Its not part of > the > > need to know parts of this list. > > we are genealogy here. Only. > > Always free. > > Any one gets caught charging via list will be removed. > > Nothing has been removed from the archives not even I can do that not > even > > staff will remove non offensive messages. Your misstaken. > > Aho! > > On Dec 4, 2012 4:14 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Alli and Group > > > > > > I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what > I > > > speak of. > > > > > > My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and > > > answering > > > to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am > > > this > > > morning. > > > > > > IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has > > > disappeared. > > > > > > *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, > > > and > > > ***I had to stay home with a cold > > > > > > Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) > > > > > > I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost > > > Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works > > > for > > > the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." > > > Somehow that info never reached this group. > > > Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection > > > to > > > main line Cherokee. > > > > > > ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to > > > "do > > > no harm". > > > > > > Please forgive my "airs" > > > I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee > > > Chosen, Spirit Warrior > > > > > > If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. > > > My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. > > > Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) > > > > guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. > > > > > > > > And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? > > > > If > > > > they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our > > > > messages, > > > > I > > > > know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all > > > > over > > > > the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which > > > > is > > > > annoying in itself)....... > > > > > > > > You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their > > > > family > > > > tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who > > > > seems > > > to > > > > think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. > > > > You > > > > spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources > > > > & > > > > specific documented proof. > > > > > > > > The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a > > > > child & > > > > say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to > SHARE > > > > links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss > > > > information. > > > > > > > > So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if > > > > that's > > > > how > > > > Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else > > > > race I > > > > have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society > > > > today......don't > > > > need it here too. > > > > > > > > 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, > or > > > > neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. > > > > > > > > DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. > > > > > > > > Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not > some > > > > made > > > > up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what > > > > you > > > > say > > > > or you can't...... > > > > > > > > no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or > > > > anyone > > > > elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At > > > > least > > > > She > > > > gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others > over > > > the > > > > years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S > > > what > > > > a > > > > real genealogist does. > > > > > > > > Alli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > > > > > > > > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > > > > > garbage. > > > > > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I > know > > > > > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely > > > > > guarded > > > > > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And > > > > > I > > > > > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > > > > > > > > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They > > > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my > > > > > father > > > > > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And > > > > > raised > > > > > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above > > > > > Oregon > > > > > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name > > > > > that > > > > > everyone called her. > > > > > > > > > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I > > > > > called > > > > > it > > > > > DNA memory. > > > > > > > > > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was > > > > > murdered > > > > > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the > woods. > > > The > > > > > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They > > > > > grew > > > > > up. > > > > > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > > > > > > > > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan > GORDON. > > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The > > > > > Cherokee > > > > > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I > > > > > was, > > > it > > > > > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > > > > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > > chatting > > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > > List archive > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > > Dual admin. > > > > Dan and Joyce > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yahoo is down. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Yahoo (never) has been down. > I have 56 groups on yahoo. > Never been down unless specified ahead of time. > > As for the other. > We are just people. > We help when we can. > No one is above or better than another. > Also that message mainly should go to the other group. Its not part of the > need to know parts of this list. > we are genealogy here. Only. > Always free. > Any one gets caught charging via list will be removed. > Nothing has been removed from the archives not even I can do that not even > staff will remove non offensive messages. Your misstaken. > Aho! > On Dec 4, 2012 4:14 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Alli and Group > > > > I know because I have been trusted to know. Many Cherokee do know what I > > speak of. > > > > My son is still in surgery. And I only am reading this email and > > answering > > to relieve my mind. He has been in open heart surgery since six am > > this > > morning. > > > > IN the past I have sent much information to this group that has > > disappeared. > > > > *** Surgeon/Doctor just now called me. My son is in recovery, > > and > > ***I had to stay home with a cold > > > > Many are searching for their lost relatives ( as in Cherokee) > > > > I am seriously dedicated to helping those who are searching for lost > > Cherokee relatives. I am blessed with an Elder of many years, who works > > for > > the Cherokee Nation and is with "the DAWES Rolls." > > Somehow that info never reached this group. > > Everyone I have helped ( for free) has found their family connection > > to > > main line Cherokee. > > > > ***I am Earthfeather. Information stays with me. I took an oath to > > "do > > no harm". > > > > Please forgive my "airs" > > I am a trained Psychotherapist, Counselor, CDP, Reverend and Cherokee > > Chosen, Spirit Warrior > > > > If a special piece of Knowledge is important to you, please ask me. > > My grandfather taught me that we all deserve answers to our questions. > > Meanwhile YAHOO has been mostly down for over a week. > > > > BARB > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) > > > guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. > > > > > > And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? > > > If > > > they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our > > > messages, > > > I > > > know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all > > > over > > > the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which > > > is > > > annoying in itself)....... > > > > > > You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their > > > family > > > tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who > > > seems > > to > > > think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. > > > You > > > spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources > > > & > > > specific documented proof. > > > > > > The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a > > > child & > > > say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to SHARE > > > links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss > > > information. > > > > > > So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if > > > that's > > > how > > > Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else > > > race I > > > have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society > > > today......don't > > > need it here too. > > > > > > 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, or > > > neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. > > > > > > DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. > > > > > > Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not some > > > made > > > up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what > > > you > > > say > > > or you can't...... > > > > > > no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or > > > anyone > > > elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At > > > least > > > She > > > gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others over > > the > > > years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S > > what > > > a > > > real genealogist does. > > > > > > Alli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > > > > > > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > > > > garbage. > > > > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know > > > > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely > > > > guarded > > > > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And > > > > I > > > > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > > > > > > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They > > > > did > > > > not > > > > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my > > > > father > > > > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And > > > > raised > > > > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above > > > > Oregon > > > > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name > > > > that > > > > everyone called her. > > > > > > > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I > > > > called > > > > it > > > > DNA memory. > > > > > > > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was > > > > murdered > > > > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. > > The > > > > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They > > > > grew > > > > up. > > > > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > > > > > > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > > > > > > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. > > > > I > > > > am > > > > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The > > > > Cherokee > > > > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I > > > > was, > > it > > > > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > chatting > > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >