Both ways...depends on who wrote it. I've seen it Matoy, Motoy, Moytoy, Maytoy....etc Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Dj M Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Matoy -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel See Moytoy where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. > > BARB =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Late to the party again... Thank you all! Kathie, thanks for the insight. The land lottery did not make much sense. Alli and Robert- thanks on the clarifications. Susan if what you have pertains to my line - I would love it! But if not, I totally believe you on the Jamestown birth point. Judy, I think we may be rowing boats next to each other. No one knows Mary unk - Johns wife? Or actual death info? Terri On 12/11/2012 7:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. John McDaniel (Forbes, Kathie) > 2. Re: John McDaniel (BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO) > 3. Re: John McDaniel (Alli :)) > 4. Re: John McDaniel (Robert H Appleby) > 5. Re: John McDaniel (Alli :)) > 6. Re: John McDaniel (Susan Reynolds) > 7. Re: John McDaniel (Alli :)) > 8. Re: John McDaniel (judy young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:33:54 +0000 > From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Terri, what I meant was that the land lottery took land away from the Cherokee and distributed it to whites living in Georgia. It seems unlikely that John McDaniel would have participated in the lottery if he considered himself to be a Cherokee. That doesn't mean he didn't have Cherokee ancestors, and he might have wanted land so he could stay in Georgia with a Cherokee wife. Some of my Parks ancestors stayed in Tennessee because the husband was white and took a land reservation and remained with his Cherokee wife. Kathie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:27:54 -0800 > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. > > BARB > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:31:48 -0700 > From: "Alli :\)" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > See Moytoy where? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:18:59 -0500 > From: Robert H Appleby <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: [email protected]b.com > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Moytoy in a google search does not come up with any genealogical site. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:10:05 -0700 > From: "Alli :\)" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That's why i asked her to see Moytoy where........instead of telling someone > to go look for someone else (a totally illrelevant name at this point), she > needs to just post how Moytoy connect's with John McDaniel instead of > putting people on wild goose chases........ > > > just my not so humble opinion ;) > > Alli > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:13:20 -0600 > From: Susan Reynolds <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Alli, start here: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 > scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13. Don't get > sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. > I have documentation which disproves that. It is based on an indexing > error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. > It's a lovely story, but just that. If you'd like what I have I'll be > glad to share it with you. > > Happy time travels! > Susan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:04:36 -0700 > From: "Alli :\)" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Oh it wasn't me who was looking. Thanks though for the link....I will check > it out, out of curiousity. I was just asking Barb to show what she posted > instead of sending the other person (sorry forget who) was asking..... > > Drives me nuts when i see someone getting the run around......course I think > I've been nuts for a while now LOL > > Alli :) > > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) > From: judy young <yo[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, I just happened to have > confused myself. I was in the midst of another research when this finally rings > some bells,?and I have already deleted much of my e-mail...sorry...just a bit of > the child in me listening with half an ear to what the ole folks said...and that > said...?Are you saying Granny Hopper is not?full cherokee blood or are you > saying her husband was not scots? Just wanted to know for sure. Or in fact are > you referring to either ethnicity? But the all cliams of Moytoy as Indian. > Perhaps that is what the genealogical materials here are meaning. Thanks so much > for taking your time to straighten me out as I know many of you can. > > I hope I followed directions to the #13 and this is what I found at the link, > and I am very interested in what you investigated and found on this family. > > > I have him on my tree as James William David McDaniel born in Scotland about > 1716. Married to Sookie "Granny" Hopper born 1742 Cherokee Nation East. With > note indicating that Sookie was what she was called and somehow was translated > by who, or I have not any idea...but my note just has what was told, or shared > with me as this:The Sookie is the Indian equivalent of Susy.How true that is I > am not trying to say or even hint that I have any documents to prove the claim. > This is simply a hand me down information, that I have not bothered to date to > chase any leads or info on because here is my relationship to the persons > listed. James William David McDaniel is the father in law of my 5th > great?grandfather. I was interested as Essary is in my family and that is the > connection here. I had been woring on ?Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel and daughter > of James Wm. David McDaniel and wife Sookie Hopper I have noted the amount of > Cherokee blood for this woman disputable, and not sure how much she is just the > hand me down info has Sookie full blood Cherokee...sorry about the red flag I > know saying full blood Cherokee raises on this group, but it is all I have to > start researching, and the fact I have idicated in notes disputable, so please > excuse my terminology regarding that and do not hang up there. I believe my > Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel was married to James Thomas Essary. I do not want or > hope this is set in type in anyones tree, as I am not saying have total docs. I > somewhere acquired the info that James and Elizabeth married in Randolph County, > NC Sept. 28 1786. Some of my information was gathered when I did not know what I > was doing in terms of searches...and how to document...but over the years have > improved. Still make errors....still want errors cleared up so as not to > continue to perpetuate. > > > 13. GRANNY3 HOPPER(OLD HOP2, A-MA-DO-YA1 MOYTOY) was born Abt. 1730. She married > WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR. He was born Abt. 1726 in Scotland. > > > More About GRANNYHOPPER: > Blood: Full Blood Cherokee > > More About WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR: > Blood: Scottish > Occupation: Trader > > Children of GRANNYHOPPERand WILLIAMMCDANIELare: > > 38. i. CATHERINEKATIE4 MCDANIEL, b. 1763, Chota, CNE [TN]; d. Aft. 1823. > ii. JOHNMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1764. > More About JOHNMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > 39. iii. ALEXANDERMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1768; d. 1835, Kentucky. > iv. LEWISMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1770. > More About LEWISMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > v. MARYMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1772. > More About MARYMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > vi. NANNIEMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1774. > More About NANNIEMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > vii. ELIZABETHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1775. > More About ELIZABETHMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > viii. SUSANNAHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1776. > More About SUSANNAHMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > ix. RACHELMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1777. > More About RACHELMCDANIEL: > Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch > > > 40. x. WILLIAMMCDANIEL, JR, b. Abt. 1780; d. Aft. 1842 > ? > Judy, un beau gachis > Born with a 1200 ft. question looking for a sixty in. > answer.?http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gary_young > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Judith-A-Young/? > > > > >

And we are, surely, on the same sinking ship, Alli. As stated before. If one studies the depositions of Rebecca Ellidge in her Dawes/Miller application then look for those of her sisters, Millie Moytoy Duncan, Elizabeth Pitts and any others they can find you will learn that Nancy Bowlin/Bolin was the mother of Alexander McDaniel. She was, possibly, a black woman. you can also study the depositions of Thomas Raper and Caty McDaniel, Jesse Raper and Mary McDaniel and James Raper with Susannah McDaniel. He was NOT the son of Granny Hopper UNLESS her white name was Nancy Bolin. These depositions plainly state that Alexander McDaniel was the half brother of James Matoy Each and every genealogical line we have traced all trace their heritage to the Matoys Joyce Gaston Reece

Like a family. We all take a turn. -----Original Message----- From: judy young Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, <snip>

Hmmm, was only thinking about the other one. I recall this too. Dan whoops. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Alli, start here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13. Don't get sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. I have documentation which disproves that. It is based on an indexing error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. It's a lovely story, but just that. If you'd like what I have I'll be glad to share it with you. Happy time travels! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Matoy -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel See Moytoy where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. > > BARB =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Moytoy in a google search does not come up with any genealogical site. On Dec 11, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Alli :) <[email protected]> wrote: > See Moytoy where? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > > >> The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. >> >> BARB > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Robert H Appleby (Bob) 207 Watts St Durham, NC 27701-2036 919-682-8902 [email protected]

Alli, start here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13. Don't get sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. I have documentation which disproves that. It is based on an indexing error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. It's a lovely story, but just that. If you'd like what I have I'll be glad to share it with you. Happy time travels! Susan

Oh it wasn't me who was looking. Thanks though for the link....I will check it out, out of curiousity. I was just asking Barb to show what she posted instead of sending the other person (sorry forget who) was asking..... Drives me nuts when i see someone getting the run around......course I think I've been nuts for a while now LOL Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > Alli, start here: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 > scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13. Don't get > sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. > I have documentation which disproves that. It is based on an indexing > error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. > It's a lovely story, but just that. If you'd like what I have I'll be > glad to share it with you. > > Happy time travels! > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's why i asked her to see Moytoy where........instead of telling someone to go look for someone else (a totally illrelevant name at this point), she needs to just post how Moytoy connect's with John McDaniel instead of putting people on wild goose chases........ just my not so humble opinion ;) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert H Appleby" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > Moytoy in a google search does not come up with any genealogical site. > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Alli :) <[email protected]> wrote: > >> See Moytoy where?

Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, I just happened to have confused myself. I was in the midst of another research when this finally rings some bells, and I have already deleted much of my e-mail...sorry...just a bit of the child in me listening with half an ear to what the ole folks said...and that said... Are you saying Granny Hopper is not full cherokee blood or are you saying her husband was not scots? Just wanted to know for sure. Or in fact are you referring to either ethnicity? But the all cliams of Moytoy as Indian. Perhaps that is what the genealogical materials here are meaning. Thanks so much for taking your time to straighten me out as I know many of you can. I hope I followed directions to the #13 and this is what I found at the link, and I am very interested in what you investigated and found on this family. I have him on my tree as James William David McDaniel born in Scotland about 1716. Married to Sookie "Granny" Hopper born 1742 Cherokee Nation East. With note indicating that Sookie was what she was called and somehow was translated by who, or I have not any idea...but my note just has what was told, or shared with me as this:The Sookie is the Indian equivalent of Susy.How true that is I am not trying to say or even hint that I have any documents to prove the claim. This is simply a hand me down information, that I have not bothered to date to chase any leads or info on because here is my relationship to the persons listed. James William David McDaniel is the father in law of my 5th great grandfather. I was interested as Essary is in my family and that is the connection here. I had been woring on  Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel and daughter of James Wm. David McDaniel and wife Sookie Hopper I have noted the amount of Cherokee blood for this woman disputable, and not sure how much she is just the hand me down info has Sookie full blood Cherokee...sorry about the red flag I know saying full blood Cherokee raises on this group, but it is all I have to start researching, and the fact I have idicated in notes disputable, so please excuse my terminology regarding that and do not hang up there. I believe my Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel was married to James Thomas Essary. I do not want or hope this is set in type in anyones tree, as I am not saying have total docs. I somewhere acquired the info that James and Elizabeth married in Randolph County, NC Sept. 28 1786. Some of my information was gathered when I did not know what I was doing in terms of searches...and how to document...but over the years have improved. Still make errors....still want errors cleared up so as not to continue to perpetuate. 13. GRANNY3 HOPPER(OLD HOP2, A-MA-DO-YA1 MOYTOY) was born Abt. 1730. She married WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR. He was born Abt. 1726 in Scotland. More About GRANNYHOPPER: Blood: Full Blood Cherokee More About WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR: Blood: Scottish Occupation: Trader Children of GRANNYHOPPERand WILLIAMMCDANIELare: 38. i. CATHERINEKATIE4 MCDANIEL, b. 1763, Chota, CNE [TN]; d. Aft. 1823. ii. JOHNMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1764. More About JOHNMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch 39. iii. ALEXANDERMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1768; d. 1835, Kentucky. iv. LEWISMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1770. More About LEWISMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch v. MARYMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1772. More About MARYMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch vi. NANNIEMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1774. More About NANNIEMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch vii. ELIZABETHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1775. More About ELIZABETHMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch viii. SUSANNAHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1776. More About SUSANNAHMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch ix. RACHELMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1777. More About RACHELMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch 40. x. WILLIAMMCDANIEL, JR, b. Abt. 1780; d. Aft. 1842   Judy, un beau gachis Born with a 1200 ft. question looking for a sixty in. answer. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gary_young http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Judith-A-Young/  ________________________________ From: Susan Reynolds <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, December 11, 2012 6:13:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Alli, start here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13.  Don't get sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. I have documentation which disproves that.  It is based on an indexing error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. It's a lovely story, but just that.  If you'd like what I have I'll be glad to share it with you. Happy time travels! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See Moytoy where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. > > BARB

The McDaniel's joined the early Cherokee linage. See Moytoy. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:33 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel > Terri, what I meant was that the land lottery took land away from the > Cherokee and distributed it to whites living in Georgia. It seems > unlikely that John McDaniel would have participated in the lottery if he > considered himself to be a Cherokee. That doesn't mean he didn't have > Cherokee ancestors, and he might have wanted land so he could stay in > Georgia with a Cherokee wife. Some of my Parks ancestors stayed in > Tennessee because the husband was white and took a land reservation and > remained with his Cherokee wife. Kathie > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Terri, what I meant was that the land lottery took land away from the Cherokee and distributed it to whites living in Georgia. It seems unlikely that John McDaniel would have participated in the lottery if he considered himself to be a Cherokee. That doesn't mean he didn't have Cherokee ancestors, and he might have wanted land so he could stay in Georgia with a Cherokee wife. Some of my Parks ancestors stayed in Tennessee because the husband was white and took a land reservation and remained with his Cherokee wife. Kathie

Joyce, Thank you. I have spent many an hour reading your posts around the Internet. I have no document to offer you - I am having problems finding documents 100 years old to support family lore, much less further back. Kathie, And thank you as well. Yes my dates were off. Somedays they all blend together... So on the topic of John McDaniel - it appears he did die earlier than 1817 - most say in 1811 and 1812 War related - yet I can find no evidence of this. I have searched War of 1812's documents until my eyes cross - no widows claim - no death. Yet there is a John McDaniel pension ap from GA. Where should I be looking? Kathie said he did not consider himself Cherokee, is this because of the land lotteries? What does this mean? I have seen that his Cherokee was not acknowledged until 2 generations later - but cant find what this refers to? Family lore says his wife Mary was Cherokee as well but cannot find any name other than Mary unk. Does anyone have this line? Thank you, Terri On 11/20/2012 2:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: McDaniel Family (Joyce Gaston Reece) > 2. McDaniel family (Forbes, Kathie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:24:36 -0500 > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel Family > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Good Morning Terri > > Could you please tell me what document your John being the son of William > David McDaniel? > > If you will check the archives for this list you will see a post from me > concerning the wife of Wm David. It has been successfully documented that > Nancy Bolin was the mother of Alexander McDaniel who most 'assume' is a son > of Wm David....but it is not proven....therefore a brother to John. > > If your Charles Alford appears on a federal census then he may not appear on > early Cherokee Census rolls. The Dawes, Miller, ECA applications are not, > IMO a census roll. They are lists of those who applied for payments for > various reasons. I suppose that's why we see lists of those accepted and > those rejected. lol > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: Terri Presley > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel Family > > I am at a brick wall with my McDaniel Family lineage, any help is > appreciated. I cannot locate any on Cherokee rolls/census but they > should be there. Charles Alford McDaniel (1857) married Mollie Oldham, > he is son of John Wesley McDaniel (b 1825) married to Jane McKinley, he > is son of Allen McDaniel (1798) married to Sophia Williams, he is son of > John McDaniel (1725) married to Mary unk, and he is son of David > McDaniel and Grasshopper Suiki Moytoy (Granny Hopper). Where have I > missed them for years? Thank you for all your help!Terri > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:32:13 +0000 > From: "Forbes, Kathie" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel family > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Terri, I think your dates are a little off. Your John McDaniel was born about 1763, Granny Hopper around 1740. You can find a John and Mary McDaniel in the Georgia land records; he participated in the land lotteries in 1803 and 1807. If this is the same John who was son of William/David McDaniel and Granny Hopper it looks like he did not consider himself a Cherokee and he died before the first census roll was created in 1817, so he wouldn't have been on any lists. > > Kathie Forbes > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 215 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. McDaniel Family (Terri Presley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:45:15 -0600 > From: Terri Presley <[email protected]> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel Family > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am at a brick wall with my McDaniel Family lineage, any help is appreciated. I cannot locate any on Cherokee rolls/census but they should be there. Charles Alford McDaniel (1857) married Mollie Oldham, he is son of John Wesley McDaniel (b 1825) married to Jane McKinley, he is son of Allen McDaniel (1798) married to Sophia Williams, he is son of John McDaniel (1725) married to Mary unk, and he is son of David McDaniel and Grasshopper Suiki Moytoy (Granny Hopper). Where have I missed them for years? Thank you for all your help!Terri > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to [email protected] > > To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 215 > ******************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 216 > ******************************************** >

I just read an article about the UN taking over the internet to shut it down. Its not a joke. People can google the web to get updated. Dan M

You must have that magic touch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Last comment on this. > I use my yahoo address to back up my groups. All messages are there every > day there are no breaks of service. All my yahoo groups pages always work. > So what ever experience your having is not confirmed by my access. > Ok. So back to genealogy or back to moderated. > Choice? > On Dec 7, 2012 12:11 AM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > All over the country people are still complaining.I just to day got Phil > > Konstantin's Novemeber news letter.He tried 21 times to send it. This > > is > > December, even in California. > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > Really? > > > > > > Not on my end > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo is down. > > > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to > > > do > > > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to > > do > > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please snip off long trails. Thanks. Dan

When using the group please use a specific subject line. Notice how the subject line I used got you to read this. Please use Name>location>timeline>topic Use qeury and answer to direct topics. E.g. Benge is a good example to the mentions brought up because it gives multiple interests. Usually request snipping off tails. Once in this case it helped some one not following along and I am not going to be picky about those who dont snip. But it does keep data on tract and brief. We are having chat open house on [email protected] not cherokee specific but cherokee people having fun talking. Aho! Dan

There is a McMinn County in Oregon. Many Cherokee relocated in Oregon and Washington. BARBARA BENGE use to have extensive Cherokee work and information on the Internet, on AOL. It was closed down and removed. She now lives and works near Yakima, Washington running a Chemical Dependency Clinic there. She ask me to relocate and join her. I didn't. Her name can be googled. There is a BENGE Rootsweb site, and a BENGE Genforum site. My Elder told me that many Cherokee went to Oregon and Washington. Part of My people did. They first went to "Tillamook Oregon on the Pacific Ocean. Then to Willamette, Oregon which is now; called West Linn in the hills up above Oregon City.. There was a time I could walk down the back road and every house was a relative. They are gone. So are my Great grandmother's Walnut trees that surrounded her property. She ( Emma Marie Alderman-Edmonds ) lived almost one hundred years. Lydia Anne BENGE , mother was Wertuh, daughter of "the Wertuh"... Lydia was my third Great grandmother. I do have a photo of her. She married John "HOUSE" in North Carolina and they moved to Clay County, Kentucky. Their son, My great great grandfather, James HOUSE, went to Montana, So did James A HOUSE, his son. They Owned the Wallace Creek Mine and the Clinton Hotel. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> To: "Herb Waldrup" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > Herb, > Thanks for the note, I am sorry to report that Bonnie Mae > (Benge) Thompson, Grace, Fant passed away 13 May 2003, according to > the records of Glen Rose, Somervell, Texas. > Don > > > At 05:08 PM 12/4/2012, you wrote: > >I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for > >McMinn > >County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a > >chord > >with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A > >little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew > >Benge > >and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world > >sometimes. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > > > > > > > Karen, > > > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > > > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > > > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that > > > information? > > > Don > > > > > > > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > > > > > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I > > >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of > > >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my > > >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my > > >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the > > >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah > > >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? > > >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > > >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > > >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > >> > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > > >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> > > > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's > > >> at Winchester VA. Most > > >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most > > >> > Cherokee > > >> > have > > >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > > >> are thankful > > >> > for them. > > >> > > > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester > > >> > (Opequon > > >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > >> Washington > > >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives > > >> > know > > >> > the > > >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > > >> > occupants > > >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to > > >> > rebuild. > > >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. > > >> > > > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. > > >> > And > > >> > the > > >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at > > >> > Lee > > >> > and > > >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, > > >> > GORDON, > > >> > LEE,) > > >> > > > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga > > >> > Battle. > > >> > > > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > >> > > > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later > > >> became "Federal > > >> > Road" > > >> > > > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > >> > Kentucky, > > >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > >> > > > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY > > >> > THIRD > > >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES > > >> > HOUSE > > >> > AND > > >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > >> > > > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > >> > Please > > >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and > > >> not by an act > > >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. > > >> > > > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA > > >> > property > > >> > from > > >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, > > >> > Some > > >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > >> > > > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote > > >> a book out > > >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > >> > > > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > >> > > > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian > > >> linage goes back to > > >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > >> > > > >> > BARB > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > >> > > >>Rude people will be moderated asap! > > >>List archive > > >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > >>Dual admin. > > >>Dan and Joyce > > >>------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > chatting is > > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > >Rude people will be moderated asap! > >List archive > >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >Dual admin. > >Dan and Joyce > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >