Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not McMinn Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor references, not fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the descendants of that line that I am currently researching. Thanks again. Crystal In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the Georgia and North Carolina state lines. McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and NC state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation and the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the Removal. I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some of those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris detachment. Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler (Rattling Gourd). Raven is a title not a name. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. Cherokee/Shawnee. Out of McMinn Co. are: Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some have her birth as 1716) James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC Thank you for any help you can offer me. Crystal Mary Murphy =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the Georgia and North Carolina state lines. McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and NC state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation and the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the Removal. I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some of those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris detachment. Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler (Rattling Gourd). Raven is a title not a name. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. Cherokee/Shawnee. Out of McMinn Co. are: Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some have her birth as 1716) James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC Thank you for any help you can offer me. Crystal Mary Murphy =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Watch getting a swelled head, gives ear aches lol;) -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] What has this list helped me with.....ot Thank you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spiritwalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] What has this list helped me with.....ot > Great sermon Alli, very well said............ =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As experienced researcher, I am in the process of correction of false info on my tree. I copied a census with my moms name - was not MY moms . I have to go re read all my data, but in the mean time, I see 22 trees that are copying every thing I post on there. Just a though, think millions. sigh. -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? unfortunately you won't have to do it on purpose. there are people that scan these groups & take our info (regardless if its right or not) & put it on ancestry :( ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > Thank you so much. I really do appreciate these links/leads. > > A problem I am seeing with the information on Ancestry, is that it gives > Bernard being the grandson of Nancy Ward, son of Daniel Hughes and > Elizabeth > Besty Ward. However, every single family tree shown has the children of > Daniel and Betsy - their birth dates "after" the birth dates of Daniel and > Elizabeth themselves. > > I don't want to put false information in my documentation. > > This is so very helpful. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Reference - Dennis Jenkins and Paisley caves Oregon. You should find a better observation. I don’t because I read like we all do to learn. Dennis has the ( only ) found DNA sample that old on the continent. They listed all the markers. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 I see the misunderstanding on the "Chinese" issue. The new DNA standards show Native Americans as Asian, ie they originated in Asia, but are not necessarily Chinese. There are many other groups on the Asian continent and islands: Mongols, Indians (from India), Japanese, etc. The Chinese are the more numerous, so we often think of Asians as Chinese. Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the most used terms in genealogy research. Next to the Cherokee Princess. Might I suggest a question to those who are well experienced in this. Once a person is dubbed an English or non NA names, could we not figure they are not full blood by this time? I would like the professionals to pop in on explaining this. Many times I introduce a comment that offers room to speculate. But on this one, there are those in better learning than I. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Robert H Appleby Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Heritage Folks, My great-great grandmother was supposedly full blood Cherokee

Gods days are 1000 years. Per-se' English was not used in the original text, it was used after Cuneiform, Sumerian, Greek,Hebrew and such. The King James Bible was reviewed for relevance to the Bishops Bible much older than KJ. DNA will never produce a copy of Adam or Eves samples since we have no evidence of where they might be. No one knows the race of Adam and eve except they were done from earth as God said for Adam and rib as God said for Eve. We will call them Earth People ( The People ) as mentioned by elders. NA people that migrated, had the knowledge of the old times ( Bible ) before white man or missionaries ever even thought to teach them, only it was not known that the many stories of the old ones were from the real times the bible was taken from. Its said those people were from Ethiopia. So Said. Its also said the DNA research had decided its entirely possible they ( Adam and Eve ) were black in color and [we] the whites all have a marker of this dna which says we were once black. Now if I was to say its true, I would refer you to Science magazine on the web and National Geographic for people who do this for a living and find accurate resources to believe they might have half a clue about being right. Its mentioned in the Bible some people lived nearly 1000 years. We know from evidence from the Babylon and Sumerian and dead sea scrolls time is mentioned many times. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA-Barb Since you've opened up 'chat', Dan let me introduce some things that are pure speculation ......... perhaps. The Bible introduces us to Adam and Eve....English names for the first man and woman of humanity. DNA teaches us that it will, eventually, lead us all back to ONE point of origin. We do not know the real references to time per God. Only that its said to be his day is 1000 years to us. As for other relevance's to explain. As the people waited at the mt, God descended in fire and smoke and the mount shook. Today we might think ( rocket ) of sorts, and why not? A great deal of stories of past peoples wrote about it. Carved things in stone, painted things in Buda caves and older writings like Ezekiel and the 4 wheels. I would say, believing all this does take a miracle but since the writing of the Bible was inspired by God, I would not demeanor any of it. Dan _==_ In Genesis we are taught that God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.....again an English term. Now, nowhere in this Bible are we given what a 'day' consists of a few thousand years before Christ. The Gregorian calendar wasn't invented until circa 1500 AD so just how do we know how long a 'day' was. Time is relevant. It is something we humans use to measure the passing of our lives. BUT that measurement didn't exist during the birth of heaven and earth. So just how do we know that these SEVEN days (which are a loosely translated period of time) didn't cover a period of thousands to millions of years???? Could we not say it took seven miracles to form Heaven and Earth over an indefinate period of time?? Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. Cherokee/Shawnee. Out of McMinn Co. are: Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some have her birth as 1716) James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC Thank you for any help you can offer me. Crystal Mary Murphy

Great sermon Alli, very well said............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] What has this list helped me with.....ot >I hate searching the Archives, so you'll have to go find that message & >send > it to me......I have never found what i was searching for through the > archives (ask dan.....I always complain when i have to go there) LOL > > I don't know about Joyce saying that either......but we'll see.. > > as for what has this group helped me with......well, not that it > matters.....but it has helped me broken down some walls i had, its lead me > to different people who have helped me to find the information behind an > application # that my dad had tried to research since the '70's (he was > told > that it was a Roll number, but it was actually an application #), which > knocked down several brick walls, gave me names of not only my dbl great > grandma's kids (including those that died), but her parents & her > grandparents (both names through her mom & 1 name through her dad), gave > me > her mom's siblings & one of her dads. > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Read those archives Barb....I've always said that all Cherokee that we have records of lead to the Moytoy's. Please do not make incorrect implications. Those earliest records begin in 1540 with the Hernando De Soto exploration into Chiaha (Chota) and Canasaugi (Conasauga village) right here in McMinn and Monroe Co. in southeast Tennessee. There is no record of the use of the name Moytoy until apx 1730....that I've seen, anyway. If someone else has any primary resource showing the earlier use of the name please advise. DNA is a very quickly progressing science. We will all have to learn to either ignore it and become ignorant or do our best to keep up with the science of it and what it means to our own personal genealogy. Years ago when Dan had his DNA done the scientific conclusions were not the same as they are now. Without SNP testing we have no way of knowing positively what the Haplogroup would be. Question to you Barb: "In fifteen years what have you posted on this or any list that was of genealogical & factual importance to these lists?" Not implication or vague reference that you can't tell because your elder said it was secret.....how have you benefitted others? Not words that were meant to be alligations or myths but actual factual and usable resources. Have you provided usable information via usgenweb, ALHN, AHGP, generous genealogists, roagk, or any other permanent web site? Have you built web sites that were designed to help other genealogists? Have you volunteered in any way, form or fashion? Joyce Gaston Reece It was a part of Dan's report on what his DNA reported. See Archives. Question: In fifteen years who or what has Cherokeegene helped you with? According to "DAN" this kind of conversation is not allowed. AT least now Joyce has said she understands, "All Cherokee lead to MOYTOY". BARB

I always told the kids, until they know the facts. Don’t speak. My dad said, until one opens their mouth, others wont know how dumb they are. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville My mother in law was a very wise woman for a Hillbilly from Bell County Kentucky. She always said "Think twice before you speak once". I should learn that lesson a bit better..................*G* She also always said that "If you tell someone everything you know they automatically know more than you....everything they know and everything you know". That's not always a good thing. Joyce Gaston Reece

Read those archives Barb....I've always said that all Cherokee that we have records of lead to the Moytoy's. Please do not make incorrect implications. Those earliest records begin in 1540 with the Hernando De Soto exploration into Chiaha (Chota) and Canasauga (Conasauga village) right here in McMinn and Monroe Co. in southeast Tennessee. There is no record of the use of the name Moytoy until apx 1730....that I've seen, anyway. If someone else has any primary resource showing the earlier use of the name please advise. DNA is a very quickly progressing science. We will all have to learn to either ignore it and become ignorant or do our best to keep up with the science of it and what it means to our own personal genealogy. Years ago when Dan had his DNA done the scientific conclusions were not the same as they are now. Without SNP testing we have no way of knowing positively what the Haplogroup would be. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Cc: earthfeather99 Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 It was a part of Dan's report on what his DNA reported. See Archives. Question: In fifteen years who or what has Cherokeegene helped you with? According to "DAN" this kind of conversation is not allowed. AT least now Joyce has said she understands, "All Cherokee lead to MOYTOY". BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 > I'd be interested in seeing that comment re-posted....in the 15 yrs I"ve > been here (yikes, can't believe its been that long) I've never seen you or > anyone claim that the Cherokee were Chinese.....if it wasn't such a > serious > false claim......I would be laughing at such a big screw up > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 > > > >I never once in my life ever referred to cherokee as chinese. If your a > > researcher. You must produce proof of this slander ? > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometimes there is a cliff other side of road blocks. Some people don’t stop and look, you did ;) Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville I'll get myself straightened out when I get younger some of these days. McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee is straight WEST of KNOXVILLE and north and a bit west of Chattanooga. I promise its correct this time Dang, my perfection just hit a road block.......... Joyce Gaston Reece

I hate searching the Archives, so you'll have to go find that message & send it to me......I have never found what i was searching for through the archives (ask dan.....I always complain when i have to go there) LOL I don't know about Joyce saying that either......but we'll see.. as for what has this group helped me with......well, not that it matters.....but it has helped me broken down some walls i had, its lead me to different people who have helped me to find the information behind an application # that my dad had tried to research since the '70's (he was told that it was a Roll number, but it was actually an application #), which knocked down several brick walls, gave me names of not only my dbl great grandma's kids (including those that died), but her parents & her grandparents (both names through her mom & 1 name through her dad), gave me her mom's siblings & one of her dads. This group has also taught me more about history, American & Indian, about geography more then what I was ever taught in school. It also changed my way of thinking & my reasons for searching.....I have also been able to help many people find their ancestor's & their connections & were able to be enroll, out of them I was able to connect 2 people who were related to each other & are now not only cousin's (fairly closely related) but are also friends. It also challenges me not to speculate or settle for someone's "word", but to ask for specific information & details. Its also, helped me to stand up against those who have tried to claim that my family is not Cherokee & made them prove it......only to find out that their "know-it-all" attitude towards my ancestors just showed how unknowledgable they actually were, because they couldn't even get the right family. They found my dbl. great grandfather's siblings & their family, but assumed it was my direct line :) Its also helped me to know that i thoroughly enjoy doing genealogy, whether i am researching for my own family or researching for someone else's. And whether i find that my family is indeed Cherokee (had lots of people say so) or that they are not (no proof in that direction yet)....as soon as i get my 4 generations better documented....I plan on applying to become a professional genealogist & researcher so i can help others more then i do now. There's a lot of help that i have found on this group & because of this group, whether they lurk or are active......and none of those who are helpful or have been helpful to me or others.......claim to know everything. They all make mistakes & acknowledge it......but they still help. Oh....I almost forgot the who......there's too many to list. But one of the people that helped me learn that my ancestor's # was an application was Anne Adair Adams. She is a proven Cherokee, she use to be (don't know if she still is or not) a recommended researcher for the CNO, she's a professional genealogist/researcher, she volunteered at the LDS FHC in Okla. and she put up with all of my dumb uneducated, confused, repeatative questions & she never ever hinted to be better or above anyone else. She also found my 4th great grandma on a Census record, but something happened before she could give me the information & I was having my own personal issues, so I haven't checked to see if she's passed away or what. And because of my personal issues, I took a break from researching. So.......lets turn this question around for you to answer..........How have you been of help to anyone here on this group since you've been here & who here, have you been of help to? And the question probably isn't allowed, but your not moderated, otherwise it wouldn't have made it through & its a good question to ask. If a group or the people aren't of any help, then what's the point of keeping it. I, personally, can't imagine not being a part of this group :) I've made a lot of friends here Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 > It was a part of Dan's report on what his DNA reported. See Archives. > > Question: In fifteen years who or what has Cherokeegene helped you with? > According to "DAN" this kind of conversation is not allowed. > AT least now Joyce has said she understands, "All Cherokee lead to > MOYTOY". > BARB

I am out numbered. LOL ;) sheesh. any one else want to say what this list has helped them with? I may as well let use have open chat until the new years. After that - mod - is the button I push instead if just asking. OK? OhhhK! CHAT - 4 days. Only. It might help organize things and get people who want to post a chance to . I don’t have an iron hand here. I wont lord over people. But I do say Please time to time. Dan

That’s a good point to correct. You can write each of those trees and trade the correct information. There are 4 trees on there I don’t know who they are, have my mom married to the son as the dad is Sr and son jr, they mixed it up. People then find the tree and wala, MERGE!, NOT GOOD. TO MERGE! Not good to accept info that’s not triple checked. You can help those people get it right. Dan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? Thank you so much. I really do appreciate these links/leads. A problem I am seeing with the information on Ancestry, is that it gives Bernard being the grandson of Nancy Ward, son of Daniel Hughes and Elizabeth Besty Ward. However, every single family tree shown has the children of Daniel and Betsy - their birth dates "after" the birth dates of Daniel and Elizabeth themselves. <<clipped>>

Point on fact. IF all Cherokee Lead in one direction. This validates the elders. Saying **We are all from one tribe.. From us became many* *we have been here forever* See there are many new science advances. Man as science tells it in a newer study has been here longer than the 6000 years told by the Bible. Man is also learning that generics in timelines are impossible to plat to any areas just yet. But dont be suprised if The main line comes up Jew. Hebrew. DNA studies of the peoples from my area 14.000 year old poop was found in a cave. Anilized. Dna was found to lead to asian decent. How many NA are ready to accept this?. This is Not a myth and Dennis Jenkins papers can be found on the net just add his name to google and see what I did. I met him at his lab. He has artifacts and weaves and other things to prove his works. I have so much on a new treck of peopling study its not funny. But I dont pull punchs on its *secret* we are so far in the future it dont matter any more. Every thing ever know is on the net about so called indians. Dont be surprised to find that the people on the east were here first and those on the west were later. Our people!. So called research has proved many things since. Now people seek to find relations. This is the gebealogy. Its not a joke. Its not myth and its not under the great spinx. Its out in the open. People on this group are looking for matchs on name to name basis. The history and culture and myth are very welcome on the other group. Name to name here is the big picture. Where we came from is over there [email protected] I saw a few people joining. Also Blue Panther has been posting na stories for years there. Big picture? the other group .... This applies to every one. Also I created a dna group. If your serious please help keep topics in the proper rooms. Dna people over the land bridge = asian. East coast... Maybe most colvis. They came west in splinter groups. Eg colvis new mex. Dont mix cultures. Jew. Hebrew. Asian. And others . Follow the time line of known peopling and join the other group and hash out finds. ok. Well. Every one... Look up Moytoy. You might as well learn one line and see where it goes. But most people start from them selves and go back so they know where they are going and with whoom. Now my coffee is cold sigh! dan On Dec 28, 2012 7:46 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Read those archives Barb....I've always said that all Cherokee that we have > records of lead to the Moytoy's. Please do not make incorrect > implications. > Those earliest records begin in 1540 with the Hernando De Soto exploration > into Chiaha (Chota) and Canasaugi (Conasauga village) right here in McMinn > and Monroe Co. in southeast Tennessee. There is no record of the use of > the > name Moytoy until apx 1730....that I've seen, anyway. If someone else has > any primary resource showing the earlier use of the name please advise. > > DNA is a very quickly progressing science. We will all have to learn to > either ignore it and become ignorant or do our best to keep up with the > science of it and what it means to our own personal genealogy. Years ago > when Dan had his DNA done the scientific conclusions were not the same as > they are now. Without SNP testing we have no way of knowing positively > what > the Haplogroup would be. > > Question to you Barb: "In fifteen years what have you posted on this or > any > list that was of genealogical & factual importance to these lists?" Not > implication or vague reference that you can't tell because your elder said > it was secret.....how have you benefitted others? Not words that were > meant > to be alligations or myths but actual factual and usable resources. Have > you provided usable information via usgenweb, ALHN, AHGP, generous > genealogists, roagk, or any other permanent web site? Have you built web > sites that were designed to help other genealogists? Have you volunteered > in any way, form or fashion? > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > It was a part of Dan's report on what his DNA reported. See Archives. > > Question: In fifteen years who or what has Cherokeegene helped you with? > According to "DAN" this kind of conversation is not allowed. > AT least now Joyce has said she understands, "All Cherokee lead to MOYTOY". > BARB > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It was a part of Dan's report on what his DNA reported. See Archives. Question: In fifteen years who or what has Cherokeegene helped you with? According to "DAN" this kind of conversation is not allowed. AT least now Joyce has said she understands, "All Cherokee lead to MOYTOY". BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 > I'd be interested in seeing that comment re-posted....in the 15 yrs I"ve > been here (yikes, can't believe its been that long) I've never seen you or > anyone claim that the Cherokee were Chinese.....if it wasn't such a > serious > false claim......I would be laughing at such a big screw up > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 > > > >I never once in my life ever referred to cherokee as chinese. If your a > > researcher. You must produce proof of this slander ? > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

you really got to ask? You know I'm there lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 1607 > You musta been in OZ ;) lol;)

David, here are my genealogies: Ludovic Grant/Betty Coody (Anglicized name) Mary Grant/ William Emory Susannah Emory/John Martin Nannie Martin/Jeter Lynch Martha (Patsy) Lynch/James Allen Thompson Maria Ann Thompson/Thomas Jefferson Parks James Allen Thompson Parks/Mary Florence Youngblood Joseph Benjamin Parks/Florence Evans me Nancy Ward/Kingfisher Kati/John Walker Jennie Walker/Thomas Fox Taylor Susannah Taylor/Samuel Parks Thomas Jefferson Parks/Maria Ann Thompson etc. Kathie Parks Forbes ________________________________________Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:55:23 -0700 From: David Stevens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee family names To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Kathie, I also have GRANT & TAYLOR & FOX & MARTIN in my family. I wonder if we are connected ? I've been told recently that I may have 3 or 4 different Cherokee lines and also a Wyandotte & Osage line. I've heard the name Ludovic GRANT, but I'm not sure where he fits into the family.