which is why i stay quiet :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville >I always told the kids, until they know the facts. > Don’t speak. > My dad said, until one opens their mouth, others wont know how dumb they > are. > > Dan >

That's a shame........now ya gotta start all over & rebuild :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville > I'll get myself straightened out when I get younger some of these days. > McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee is straight WEST of KNOXVILLE and > north and a bit west of Chattanooga. I promise its correct this time > > Dang, my perfection just hit a road block.......... > > Joyce Gaston Reece >

Since you've opened up 'chat', Dan let me introduce some things that are pure speculation ......... perhaps. The Bible introduces us to Adam and Eve....English names for the first man and woman of humanity. DNA teaches us that it will, eventually, lead us all back to ONE point of origin. In Genesis we are taught that God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.....again an English term. Now, nowhere in this Bible are we given what a 'day' consists of a few thousand years before Christ. The Gregorian calendar wasn't invented until circa 1500 AD so just how do we know how long a 'day' was. Time is relevant. It is something we humans use to measure the passing of our lives. BUT that measurement didn't exist during the birth of heaven and earth. So just how do we know that these SEVEN days (which are a loosely translated period of time) didn't cover a period of thousands to millions of years???? Could we not say it took seven miracles to form Heaven and Earth over an indefinate period of time?? Joyce Gaston Reece

was this changed? my great grandfather rufus dabbs said he was born in mcminnville coffee co tn ,now i am confused ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville > I'll get myself straightened out when I get younger some of these days. > McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee is straight WEST of KNOXVILLE and > north and a bit west of Chattanooga. I promise its correct this time > > Dang, my perfection just hit a road block.......... > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother in law was a very wise woman for a Hillbilly from Bell County Kentucky. She always said "Think twice before you speak once". I should learn that lesson a bit better..................*G* She also always said that "If you tell someone everything you know they automatically know more than you....everything they know and everything you know". That's not always a good thing. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Dj M Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville Sometimes there is a cliff other side of road blocks. Some people don’t stop and look, you did ;) Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] McMinnville I'll get myself straightened out when I get younger some of these days. McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee is straight WEST of KNOXVILLE and north and a bit west of Chattanooga. I promise its correct this time Dang, my perfection just hit a road block.......... Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my gass line is with hughes,they, gass, ,lived in crow creek valley franklin co tn,the oldest son of samuel gass & nancy rose was married into the hughes family. i willgo through my records & see how it comes together,I think his name was joseph. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > Correct, and we gotta call them something.......lol > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > > Also, I forgot to mention that Raven is yes a title, but in researching > Cherokee, I find that often that is what is given rather than names and > in > early research it's difficult to determine which is the name and which is > a > title. > > Thanks. > > > In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. > > At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is > appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not > McMinn > Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. > > My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give > which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor > references, > not > fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. > > However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the > descendants of that line that I am currently researching. > > Thanks again. > > Crystal > > > In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast > of > Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the > Georgia and North Carolina state lines. > > McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee > Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of > Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and > NC > state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation > and > the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate > the > Removal. > > I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of > 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. > Some > of > those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of > Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth > Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris > detachment. > Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled > as > > McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. > > Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate > but > > did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and > Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler > (Rattling Gourd). > > Raven is a title not a name. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > > To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from > McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. > Cherokee/Shawnee. Out > of McMinn Co. are: > > Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 > (some > have her birth as 1716) > James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether > there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) > James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) > Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN > m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC > > Thank you for any help you can offer me. > > Crystal Mary Murphy > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, can you give us some details on your line? Susan

I see the misunderstanding on the "Chinese" issue. The new DNA standards show Native Americans as Asian, ie they originated in Asia, but are not necessarily Chinese. There are many other groups on the Asian continent and islands: Mongols, Indians (from India), Japanese, etc. The Chinese are the more numerous, so we often think of Asians as Chinese. Susan

I'll get myself straightened out when I get younger some of these days. McMinnville, Warren County, Tennessee is straight WEST of KNOXVILLE and north and a bit west of Chattanooga. I promise its correct this time Dang, my perfection just hit a road block.......... Joyce Gaston Reece

And I should stand corrected. West North WEST of Knoxville Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Earleene Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? I thought mc minnville tn was in coffee co??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of > Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the > Georgia and North Carolina state lines. > > McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee > Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of > Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and > NC > state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation > and > the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the > Removal. > > I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of > 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some > of > those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of > Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth > Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris > detachment. > Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as > McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. > > Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but > did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and > Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler > (Rattling Gourd). > > Raven is a title not a name. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > > To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from > McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. > Cherokee/Shawnee. Out > of McMinn Co. are: > > Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some > have her birth as 1716) > James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether > there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) > James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) > Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN > m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC > > Thank you for any help you can offer me. > > Crystal Mary Murphy > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought mc minnville tn was in coffee co??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of > Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the > Georgia and North Carolina state lines. > > McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee > Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of > Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and > NC > state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation > and > the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the > Removal. > > I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of > 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some > of > those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of > Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth > Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris > detachment. > Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as > McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. > > Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but > did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and > Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler > (Rattling Gourd). > > Raven is a title not a name. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > > To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from > McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. > Cherokee/Shawnee. Out > of McMinn Co. are: > > Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some > have her birth as 1716) > James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether > there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) > James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) > Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN > m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC > > Thank you for any help you can offer me. > > Crystal Mary Murphy > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

McMinnville Tennessee McMinnville is the largest city in and the county seat of Warren County, Tennessee, United States. The population was 13,605 at the 2010 census. It was named after Joseph McMinn, a governor of Tennessee, in 1810. Wikipedia Area: 10 sq miles (25.9 km²) Weather: 37°F (3°C), Wind N at 0 mph (0 km/h), 73% Humidity Local time: Friday 11:48 AM Population: 13,633 (2011) United States Census Bureau Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Earleene Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? I thought mc minnville tn was in coffee co??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of > Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the > Georgia and North Carolina state lines. > > McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee > Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of > Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and > NC > state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation > and > the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the > Removal. > > I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of > 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some > of > those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of > Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth > Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris > detachment. > Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as > McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. > > Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but > did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and > Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler > (Rattling Gourd). > > Raven is a title not a name. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > > To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from > McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. > Cherokee/Shawnee. Out > of McMinn Co. are: > > Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some > have her birth as 1716) > James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether > there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) > James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) > Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN > m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC > > Thank you for any help you can offer me. > > Crystal Mary Murphy > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Speaking from long years of experience...... One of the most important things any genealogist can do for themselves is to familiarize themselves with the geographics of any area they are researching. I can speak with some knowledge so will give this example......... In 1817 the Hiwassee Purchase was completed and the land set aside to form McMinn and Monroe Co's in southeast Tennessee. From this land all of the Tennessee Cherokee Indian Reservations were surveyed. Robert Armstrong and crew did an amazing job of laying off these, for the most part, square miles of land. In 1850 the map was printed called the Hiwassee Purchase Map. This original was the first time in history that any cartographers had laid off land sections by using this grid system of 1 square mile per. This grid system was amazingly close to the reservation lines that Armstrong had laid off 30 years before. This is the only map we have showing some of the Reservations. A Meridian line was laid off from Kingston, Fort Southwest Point directly south to the Indian Boundary on the Hiwassee River. WE then had east of the Meridian and west of the Meridian. The starting point. The Ranges were numbered beginning 1 east or 1 west progressing to the boundary. Each section was then laid off in Fractional Townships or Townships. Townships were 36 square mile sections. Fractional townships were portions of same. Each section was numbered in 36 sections, when possible, and each section divided up into 40, 80, 120, 160 & more acres. The land for military grants, land grants for settlers, grants for county seats and all other grants was laid off according to this map. Then comes 1936 when Monroe County decided to create another map. They used this same basis system but forgot all about fractional townships, omitted townships and made a whole new mapping system for the county. With each successive map of Monroe County these lines have changed until its almost nothing like the original map. Now, I'm not saying that this is a good or a bad thing but what I am saying is that you simply cannot get a handle on where land was the history of the land or any of these issues if you use a modern day map. Yes you really do need to learn the geography of the area you are researching but you also need to learn the 'rest of the story'. Joyce Gaston Reece

Where is this reference? To have a match on the other end one needs a donor. Who was the donor to do said push? People mainly don’t understand DNA, let alone how it can match so far back with out a dna donor. So, since this is your topic, would you entertain the idea to explain it and clarify the way it works. I have already spent much time on DNA, but not in the Arizona finds, only the Oregon university. My comments are based on Founding of people to the American continent, which is among speculations, but assumed 14,000 est. And new studies on the east coast being opened up. I have see references older than this one also. Seems there are a variety of sciences. I have had that link on screen too. Just this a.m. You want to explain the DNA cycle Joy? For the folks? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Joy King Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 2012 Top Genetic Genealogy Happenings http://dna-explained.com/2012/12/28/2012-top-10-genetic-genealogy-happenings/ 1. The New Root – Haplogroup A00 At the Family Tree DNA conference in November, Michael Hammer, Bonnie Schrack and Thomas Krahn announced that they had made a monumental discovery in the age of modern man known as Y-line Adam. The discovery of Haplogroup A00 pushes the “birth” of mankind back from about 140,000 years ago to an amazing 338,000 years ago. Utterly amazing. The DNA came from an American family from South Carolina. This discovery highlights the importance of citizen science. Bonnie is a haplogroup administrator who recognized the potential importance of one of her participants’ DNA. Thomas Krahn of course is with Family Tree DNA and ran the WTY test, and Michael Hammer is at the University of Arizona. So you have the perfect blend here of participant, citizen scientist, commercial lab and academia. What was never thought possible a decade or so ago is not only working, it’s working well and changing the face of both science and humanity. From: Dj M Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Leavens in Kentucky, born 1828 Reference - Dennis Jenkins and Paisley caves Oregon. You should find a better observation. I don’t because I read like we all do to learn. Dennis has the ( only ) found DNA sample that old on the continent. They listed all the markers. Dan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spiritwalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] What has this list helped me with.....ot > Great sermon Alli, very well said............

unfortunately you won't have to do it on purpose. there are people that scan these groups & take our info (regardless if its right or not) & put it on ancestry :( ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? > Thank you so much. I really do appreciate these links/leads. > > A problem I am seeing with the information on Ancestry, is that it gives > Bernard being the grandson of Nancy Ward, son of Daniel Hughes and > Elizabeth > Besty Ward. However, every single family tree shown has the children of > Daniel and Betsy - their birth dates "after" the birth dates of Daniel and > Elizabeth themselves. > > I don't want to put false information in my documentation. > > This is so very helpful.

Thank you so much. I really do appreciate these links/leads. A problem I am seeing with the information on Ancestry, is that it gives Bernard being the grandson of Nancy Ward, son of Daniel Hughes and Elizabeth Besty Ward. However, every single family tree shown has the children of Daniel and Betsy - their birth dates "after" the birth dates of Daniel and Elizabeth themselves. I don't want to put false information in my documentation. This is so very helpful. In a message dated 12/28/2012 12:08:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thus my reason for replying to your query Crystal. I thought you'd probably want to know that you had these minor errors that might come back around to bite you in the behind someday. These little boo-boo's can sometimes cause major problems. I have a Hembree cousin who has worked on the Bernard Hughes connection into the Ward family for years and I'm not sure what progress she has made since it's been awhile since we spoke. I will invite you to join the Hembree mail list to ask her about her progress. Her name is Diane. I'm manager for the list. [email protected] Post your query there and she should answer. You might also want to check the Descendents of Nancy Ward pages. www.nancyward.com You can get a 'guide' at www.genealogy.com on the James R. Hicks pages. Joyce Gaston Reece Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not McMinn Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor references, not fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the descendants of that line that I am currently researching. Thanks again. Crystal =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Correct, and we gotta call them something.......lol Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? Also, I forgot to mention that Raven is yes a title, but in researching Cherokee, I find that often that is what is given rather than names and in early research it's difficult to determine which is the name and which is a title. Thanks. In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not McMinn Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor references, not fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the descendants of that line that I am currently researching. Thanks again. Crystal In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the Georgia and North Carolina state lines. McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and NC state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation and the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the Removal. I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some of those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris detachment. Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler (Rattling Gourd). Raven is a title not a name. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. Cherokee/Shawnee. Out of McMinn Co. are: Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some have her birth as 1716) James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC Thank you for any help you can offer me. Crystal Mary Murphy =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thus my reason for replying to your query Crystal. I thought you'd probably want to know that you had these minor errors that might come back around to bite you in the behind someday. These little boo-boo's can sometimes cause major problems. I have a Hembree cousin who has worked on the Bernard Hughes connection into the Ward family for years and I'm not sure what progress she has made since it's been awhile since we spoke. I will invite you to join the Hembree mail list to ask her about her progress. Her name is Diane. I'm manager for the list. [email protected] Post your query there and she should answer. You might also want to check the Descendents of Nancy Ward pages. www.nancyward.com You can get a 'guide' at www.genealogy.com on the James R. Hicks pages. Joyce Gaston Reece Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not McMinn Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor references, not fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the descendants of that line that I am currently researching. Thanks again. Crystal

Also, I forgot to mention that Raven is yes a title, but in researching Cherokee, I find that often that is what is given rather than names and in early research it's difficult to determine which is the name and which is a title. Thanks. In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:56:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Joyce, thank you for your kind reply. At this particular time, I am still learning and your knowledge is appreciated. I understand that McMinnville is a separate town and is not McMinn Co. itself, but was not aware that it was not in McMinn Co. until now. My Hughes originated out of Cherokee Nation East. So, any info I give which is not accurate, is simply lack of knowledge and/or poor references, not fact. Again, I appreciate your straightening me out on these issues. However, it is Bernard Hughes' marriage into the Moytoy line and the descendants of that line that I am currently researching. Thanks again. Crystal In a message dated 12/28/2012 11:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: McMinnville is not in McMinn County, Crystal. McMinnville is northeast of Knoxville. McMinn neighbors Polk and Monroe and is close to both the Georgia and North Carolina state lines. McMinn Tennessee wasn't formed until 1820, prior to that it was Cherokee Nation East. From 1820 until 1838 McMinn was considered by the State of Tennessee to have legal jurisdiction over Indian lands to the Georgia and NC state lines. That was a bone of contention between the Cherokee Nation and the State of TN. One of the tools used by Andrew Jackson to instigate the Removal. I might suggest you do a lookup in Cherokee Old Settlers Payment Book of 1851 & 1896. You'll find Murphy Emigrants within the Old Settlers. Some of those Murphy's originated in Cherokee Co., NC and one or two out of Conasauga Village in McMinn Co., TN. Young Wolf Murphy lived near Ruth Helton/Matoy and emigrated apx the same time, perhaps the Harris detachment. Their Emigration lists show them to be from Conasauga BUT they traveled as McGray's. After they got west they reverted to Matoy. Jesse Murphy m. Pheobe Allen in CCNC. The also signed up to Emigrate but did return east. Jesse, Martin and THomas were the sons of Whiplash and Mary 'Polly' Murphy. Whiplash is the documented son of Bell Rattler (Rattling Gourd). Raven is a title not a name. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Hughes lookups? To the person who is in McMinnville, TN. My Hughes line is from McMinnville. Prior to that, would be Bernard Hughes (trader) m. Cherokee/Shawnee. Out of McMinn Co. are: Bernard Hughes b. 1700 in Alabama, m. Sister Of Raven (?) 1726-1819 (some have her birth as 1716) James Hughes - b. 1742 m. Margaret (LNU) - (some question as to whether there was actually a 1st & 2nd James Hughes) James Hughes ggg-grandfather b. 1742-1762 (?) m. Margaret (LNU) Lucy Hughes gg-grandmother b. 1817 McMinn, TN m. John Murphy b. 1766 in NC Thank you for any help you can offer me. Crystal Mary Murphy =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message