Nancy that would be wonderful. I will talk to the fellow that I seem to be related to in some way shape form or fashion and get the info on the BULLs that he has his theories about. This should be interesting. One set of Bulls settled Bell County KY and are English. They changed their names from Bull to Buell and later so did my Bulls. However, my Bulls on later census records are listed as Bull and not Buell. Someone made sure they were distinguished from the Buells that settled Bell County. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Serenity4us2@aol.com [mailto:Serenity4us2@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:42 PM To: sheree606@alltel.net; CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] BULL Census info (help with interpreting?) Your point on the Census enumerator is well understood! I have heard that many hid out and the neighbors answered the Census taker. I have also heard that if they had a white or white "appearing" family member, that is who would answer. So, who knows? I can tell you that Johnston County (where they settled) is full of dark "whites" of Native heritage. Some of my own family included! I can send the Ebks to you after our storm subsides - to your personal EMail if it is alright. (I have been thrown offline every few minutes due to a severe thunderstorn here in Cumberland County NC). Also I will check my files and go over the Desc. listed in Henry Bulls Will, and pull a few other Bulls I have. I do have a document on one set of BULLs who changed their name and moved to (I think-off the top of my head) Tennessee. I do know the new surname began with a T, but Turnbull doesn't sound like it- as far as I can remember, I don't think it had the BULL in it at all. I will try to locate it. I believe it was the court petition for the name change. Nancy In a message dated 6/7/2005 9:21:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheree606@alltel.net writes: Could be the same family. I also think that Race was a matter of who the census taker was and if he knew or was related to the family. Race was/is not as cut and dry as it would seem. You also have to take into account that at a certain point in history America became a white vs. black society. I have heard from several individuals that my Bulls carried the middle initial T in their names and they changed their names to Turnbull. I do not know this myself. I have just begun researching this line. I think that some think that my Bulls came from the same line as another Bull line in PA but it is argued about a lot. I guess what I mean is that just because you have a sCould be the same family. I also think that Race was a matter of who the census taker was and if he knew or was related to the family. Race was/is not as cut and dry as it would seem. You also have to take into account that at a certain point in history America became a white vs. black society. I have heard from several individuals that my Bulls carried the middle initial T in their names and they changed their names to Turnbull. I do not know this myself. I have just begun researching this line. I think that some think that my Bulls came from the same line as another Bull line in PA but it is argued about a lot. I guess what I mean is that just because you have a surname such as Williams does not necessarily mean you are Welch and a surname such as Bull does not necessarily mean you are Indian. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Serenity4us2@aol.com [mailto:Serenity4us2@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:32 PM To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] BULL Census info (help with interpreting?) I have a HENRY BULL and his family on file. Also JETHRO and some Ebks on the BULLs from PA. I have them as white- but who knows? ZILPHA BULL married WILLIAM HENRY CAPPS and settled in JOHNSTON County, NC.in the late 1700's. Don't know if it is the same faamily- or just surname! Nancy ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Please visit: Cherokee-Surnames Home page http://www.accessgenealogy\native\mail\cherokee.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx urname such as Williams does not necessarily mean you are Welch and a surname such as Bull does not necessarily mean you are Indian.