Walsie, Please send me an email. Computer went and so did your email address! Hugs, Conniesue

My husbands family has Wilson's from TN-some of them spelled it with two L's. My husbands great grandfather was William Riley Willson married to Susan Rebecca Taylor ( of Alabama then Arkansas). William is suppose to be of Cherokee descent. Have never found anything on him. Some of his children were Lark Anderson, Silas William, Calvin Thomas, Alfred Lee. Do not know William's parents or siblings, only know that he was born in Sept 1839 either in MO or TN. Any of these names in your Wilson family? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D Digest V05 #8

Diane, mtDNA is short for mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down through the females, and so would not tell you anything about your male ancestors. I believe you are thinking of the Y-chromosome check that men can have done to trace the male line. For further information on mitochondrial DNA, here are some sites: http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/mtDNA.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8923 Rhonda Graves Fort Worth, TX Drhea11@cs.com wrote: Sherry, I think the mtdna results can be false. If you checked through yourself, as a female. I doesn't work that way. It shows up in the male lines. Even though it is passed down from the maternal side. I'm not positive about all of this, but don't be discouraged. If you really believe you are of Native American descent, keep on looking. I had mine done and it came back that same way, so I researched many sites and by what I found this was not the right test for a female. I have no dought that my family is of Native American descent, but there has to be a more reliable way to prove it. Stick with the Cherokee by blood and follow the lines closely. I have been researching for years and found that by going over my oldest research(when I didn't have a clue!) Now am able to follow leads better. Keep on researching! Diane Surnames: Henderson, Jones, Byrd, Packett, Weaver, Hunter, Webber, McCloud, Lowe, Raines, Wilson, Duncan, Berry, Ezell, Heath, Painter, Wilson, & more ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Indian Histories by Tribe: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/index.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Diane, The Grand Aunt I was speaking of was Martha Jane Robins...she was born in Al. in Winston Co. abt. 1879...She married Martin A. Painter...b. abt. 178...He is listing his birth place and his parents birthplace as Alabama. I have yet to find any info. on his parents. Quite possible the families migrated together from N. J. ( as my original Robins lines were listed as from N.J.) and the Carolina's into Tn. and then to Al. There are alot of Painters listed in Al. records. My Painter eventually migrated to Tishomingo. Miss. Someone once told me the name Painter was also a variation of the names Panter/Panther. What do you think? Di

I got my MTdna at www.gentree.com, but I wouldn't recommend them. Go to a more reliable source. Some of the forums at www.genforum.com are doing specific surnames. Lots of research already in the works. Ancestry.com does them also. Once you find your ancestry, you have to show sources and direct ancestry to someone on the rolls. If you can do this, then go to the library at Cherokee, N.C., they will help if you have enough evidence. Cherokee is a very close knit community and they let very few new members in. If any! The Cherokee's in Oklahoma are also a place to go. They will both send you an application, but it is still hard. If you truly are of Cherokee descent, it will eventually be found. LOL! Maybe! I am from Tennessee and My Wilson's are 2 seperate families: (1) Issac Wilson b. Mar. 18, 1786 d. June 17, 1874 s/o Augustus Wilson /Ann Rice m. Mary Snodderly b. 1786 d. 1843 child: Mary Wilson b. 1820 m. Vincent Packett (my gggrandparents) Knoxville and Union Co. Tn. (2) Jesse Wilson b. Oct. 30, 1802 d. Oct. 18, 1904 + Matlida Ailor b. May 3, 1814 Jesse Wilson was the s/o Nancy Wilson Their daughter, Elizabeth Wilson b. Jan. 1846 + Jasper Albright b. 1837 Union Co. & Knoxville, Tn. Some of the Wilson family ended up in Oklahoma. Matilda Ailor Wilson was a descendant of Samuel Humber(Humbard) My Painter family: Samuel Humber s/o John b. May 6, 1730 Va. d. July 11, 1805 Greenville, Tn. married Sarah (Sally) Painter b.1735 Va. d/o Jonathon Painter and Hannah Braddock. Hope this helps, Diane

i am trying to trace my history but am stuck on the spelling of a surname it is rponounced lafleur, but maybe be spelt larfluri, lorfluri or one of many ways the only thing i know is that it ends in i. not much to go on but can any one help, thanks.

Diane, Where were your Painter lines from? I had a grand aunt who married a Painter. Thanks, Di

Sherry, I think the mtdna results can be false. If you checked through yourself, as a female. I doesn't work that way. It shows up in the male lines. Even though it is passed down from the maternal side. I'm not positive about all of this, but don't be discouraged. If you really believe you are of Native American descent, keep on looking. I had mine done and it came back that same way, so I researched many sites and by what I found this was not the right test for a female. I have no dought that my family is of Native American descent, but there has to be a more reliable way to prove it. Stick with the Cherokee by blood and follow the lines closely. I have been researching for years and found that by going over my oldest research(when I didn't have a clue!) Now am able to follow leads better. Keep on researching! Diane Surnames: Henderson, Jones, Byrd, Packett, Weaver, Hunter, Webber, McCloud, Lowe, Raines, Wilson, Duncan, Berry, Ezell, Heath, Painter, Wilson, & more

I have listed my recent ethnic origins below so that I can explain some things to the best of my knowledge. I could give a theory that I have for Russia and all of the countries next to Russia but I will not because it is just a theory and may not have any scientific basis at all. As for haplogroups…T1 is European. I think that there are five Native American haplogroups which consist of A, B, C, D, and X. I did have a genetic match to 59 individuals who also had a DNA test of some sort. Including one listed as Inidan Territory Oklahoma, Tribal Fox, and New Mexico as well as Arizona…does this tell me anything ? No it does not. Surnames I connected to were Green, Williams, Turner, Turner-Thomas, Sherman, Larson, and a whole slew of others, some seemingly Jewish. I guess what I am trying to say is that this test will help connect me to my biological mothers lines at some point. When I had the test I did not know that “matches” could be thousands of years ago. Belarus Czechoslovakia England France France Germany Ireland Lithuania Moldovia Netherlands Norway Poland Romania Russia Scotland Switzerland Ukraine United Kingdom United States Unknown Origin Wales Poland, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and France are all listed as Ashkenazi which if I am not mistaken is Jewish. I have a recent ethnic origin of the United States. Again, if I am not mistaken…you do not get an ethnic origin for the United States unless it is Native American. If anyone knows any different please feel free to interject at any time. I think that it is important to remember that this is only my mtdna or my mother, my mothers mother, my mothers mothers mother. Does it show that I do not have Native American DNA…no it does not. In fact, it would show the opposite since ethnic origins are from the United States. Does it tell me how much NA DNA I have…NO. It also does not tell me how “much” DNA I have from any ethnic origin. Does it help me easily find NA ancestors…NO. It does tell me that I have Native American ancestors on my mothers side…somewhere. It would seem that it also tells me that I have Jewish ancestors…somewhere. I think both groups were discriminated against in American throughout history to some degree, Native American more than Jewish. Yes, America was no “safe haven” for the Jewish. Well, I have said enough

My mtdna test results came back today and my haplogroup was T1. I am sorry to have wasted you time on these boards. Ironically, I have 32 matches for an unknown origin....&*^%&^%$&^&(%% and 1 for the United States, France, Lithuania, and of course Moldovia? and England. I am fairly diappointed that it couldn't narrow things down a little more. At any rate it did tell me I need to look places other than here. Sincerely, Happy hunting! Sherry

Greetings list i have never posted here my first time i will tell of my Cherokee surname connection first my greatgrandma was born in Taney is 1873 she was Cherokee name - Ruth Herod Frazier her mother was De-Le-Ma Jones a Cherokee Old Settler her father was Josiah Herod do not know if he was or not some of the surnames are Jones - White - Hampton - Frazier - Damron - Blevins - Standridge they were mostly in the Deleware District Indian Territory. Best Calvin

Hi Sherry Huff and Cherokee Surnames list, Sherry, thank you for responding to the list and letting us know. The name Green has a long history in the Cherokee tribe, I have been told. My brother and I are working on our Kinney DNA now. As soon as I get the information on that I intend to do the Native American DNA test. I have a kit already. Please, keep in touch with the Cherokee Surname list. The group is so good to share. Do you have Missouri connections? I do and have about decided that my family of Kinney, Black and Conway were probably among the Old Settlers who came to MO before the Trail of Tears. I look forward to hearing from you again. I will send you and the list what I get too.

Hello everyone, I was surprised to receive so many emails from individuals on the Sandlin surname on this list. I posted that because I was always told that my Shelton line was Native American as well as my Williams line. Are the Sheltons and the Williams in my family any part Native American? I don't know for sure and can't tell you. It would be great if I could answer that question. I like you may never know the answer to that for sure. I had a DNA test done and expect the results back in a couple of weeks. I would suggest that anyone searching their ethnic origins do the same thing. I am sorry that so many individuals thought that because I posted that information that I could connect them to a native american line. However, if you would like information on the Sandlins I will post to this list what I have. I recieved a lot more from a couisin shortly after posting to another list. The Sandland/Sandlin surname goes back to Ireland from what I received and to the best of my memory another "Green" or two married into this family for those interested in information on the greens. Happy hunting. Sincerely, Sherry

Can anyone add to or take away from the following? Sherry Descendants of William Sandlin Generation No. 1 1. William1 Sandlin was born 1744 in Carolina Co, VA. He married Massey Green in Bute Co, SC. She was born 1751 in SC. Child of William Sandlin and Massey Green is: + 2 i. Lewis A.2 Sandlin, born 1776 in Kings Cree, York Co, SC. Generation No. 2 2. Lewis A.2 Sandlin (William1) was born 1776 in Kings Cree, York Co, SC. He married Sarah "sallie" Kennedy, daughter of John Kennedy. She was born 1777 in NC. Child of Lewis Sandlin and Sarah Kennedy is: + 3 i. John Kennedy3 Sandlin, born 14 Mar 1824 in Clay County, KY. Generation No. 3 3. John Kennedy3 Sandlin (Lewis A.2, William1) was born 14 Mar 1824 in Clay County, KY. He married Martha Ponder. She was born 25 Aug 1822 in Buncombe Co, NC. Child of John Sandlin and Martha Ponder is: + 4 i. Margaret4 Sandlin, born 27 Mar 1846 in Clay County, KY. Generation No. 4 4. Margaret4 Sandlin (John Kennedy3, Lewis A.2, William1) was born 27 Mar 1846 in Clay County, KY. She married William Shelton 05 Nov 1867 in Clay County, KY. Child of Margaret Sandlin and William Shelton is: + 5 i. Martha5 Shelton, born Abt. 1866. Generation No. 5 5. Martha5 Shelton (Margaret4 Sandlin, John Kennedy3, Lewis A.2, William1) was born Abt. 1866. She married Cam Williams. He was born Abt. 1860. Child of Martha Shelton and Cam Williams is: 6 i. Arthur6 Williams, born 09 Oct 1903; died 14 Jan 1977. He married Ellen Cumile Noe; born in Harlan Co, Ky.

Could sks please tell me if the names Townsend and Terrell could be of Cherokee origin? Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you very much, robert leonard

Does anyone know where I can find informationabout my ancestors Prince and Susan Jackson? Susan, my family believes, was or was the descendent of an emancipated slave and a member of the Cherokee tribe. We do not know much else, except that Susan married Prince Jackson, who died in Virginia. We think she was born sometime in the 1880s, but this is a rough estimate. I have no idea where to begin, and all I have to go on is the name and a photograph of Susan standing alone in a field. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you very much, SRM

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Descendants of David Noe Generation No. 1 1. David1 Noe He married Morning Harris. Child of David Noe and Morning Harris is: + 2 i. Mourning2 Noe. Generation No. 2 2. Mourning2 Noe (David1) She married Robert Napier. He was born Abt. 1820 in Harlan Co, KY. Children of Mourning Noe and Robert Napier are: + 3 i. John3 Napier, born Abt. 1858. + 4 ii. Mary Jane Napier, born Abt. 1848 in Harlan Co, KY; died 07 Sep 1941 in Madison County, KY. 5 iii. Ewell Venable Napier, born Abt. 1840 in Harlan Co, KY. He married Sarah Blanton 04 Apr 1861 in Harlan county, KY; born Abt. 1844 in Harlan Co, KY. 6 iv. Mastin Green Napier, born Abt. 1842 in Harlan Co, KY. He married Martha Ann Spurlock Abt. 1863. 7 v. Fullingheson Napier, born Abt. 1844 in Harlan Co, KY. 8 vi. Benjamin Napier, born Abt. 1846. 9 vii. Nathan Napier, born Abt. 1851; died in Harlan Co, KY. He married Rhoda Howard 05 Apr 1872; born Aug 1856 in Harlan Co, KY. 10 viii. Elvira Napier. 11 ix. Isaac Napier. 12 x. Elizabeth Napier, born 27 Apr 1853 in Martins Fork Harlan Co; died 13 Sep 1853 in Martins Fork. 13 xi. Mintie (Araminta?) Napier, born Abt. 1864. 14 xii. Emily Napier, born Abt. 1867. Generation No. 3 3. John3 Napier (Mourning2 Noe, David1) was born Abt. 1858. He married Louise. Children of John Napier and Louise are: + 15 i. Mourning4 Napier, born Dec 1877. 16 ii. Green Napier, born Abt. 1875 in Ky. 17 iii. Sara Napier, born Abt. 1879. 4. Mary Jane3 Napier (Mourning2 Noe, David1) was born Abt. 1848 in Harlan Co, KY, and died 07 Sep 1941 in Madison County, KY. She married Leander Ledford. He was born Abt. 1845, and died 16 Mar 1923 in Garrard County, Ky. Children of Mary Napier and Leander Ledford are: 18 i. Daniel4 Ledford, born Abt. 1868. 19 ii. Milard Ledford, born Abt. 1871. 20 iii. Aly Ledford, born Abt. 1873. 21 iv. Robert Ledford, born Abt. 1875. 22 v. Morning Ledford, born 08 Sep 1878 in Harlan Co, KY. Generation No. 4 15. Mourning4 Napier (John3, Mourning2 Noe, David1) was born Dec 1877. She married Edmon Day, son of Baity Day and Sarah. He was born 29 Mar 1871, and died 22 Mar 1927 in Harlan Co, KY. Children of Mourning Napier and Edmon Day are: 23 i. James Will5 Day, born 01 Feb 1911 in Cranks Creek, KY; died Jan 1984 in Dayhoit, KY. He married Bertha Williams; born 10 Mar 1916 in Pineville, KY; died Apr 1986 in Wallins Creek, KY. 24 ii. Viola Day, born Dec 1893; died Apr 1913. 25 iii. Bertha Day, born Dec 1894; died 15 Apr 1976. 26 iv. Eliza Day, born Oct 1896. 27 v. Noble Day, born 1898; died May 1911. 28 vi. Green Day, died May 1913. 29 vii. Ewell Day, died 24 Jun 1923. 30 viii. Minty Day, died 01 Jun 1976. 31 ix. Hiram Day. 32 x. Mary B Day, born 16 Feb 1913. 33 xi. Rebecca Day, born 1915. 34 xii. Dora Day, born 1918.

Descendants of James Williams Generation No. 1 1. James1 Williams was born Abt. 1794 in NC. He married Susan Baily. She was born Abt. 1794. Child of James Williams and Susan Baily is: + 2 i. Elijah2 Williams, born Abt. 1829 in TN. Generation No. 2 2. Elijah2 Williams (James1) was born Abt. 1829 in TN. He married Delila Simpson 15 Sep 1852, daughter of Abraham Simpson and Delila Saylor. She was born Abt. 1835 in KY. Child of Elijah Williams and Delila Simpson is: + 3 i. John Bennett3 Williams, born Abt. 1854 in Wallins Creek, KY. Generation No. 3 3. John Bennett3 Williams (Elijah2, James1) was born Abt. 1854 in Wallins Creek, KY. He married Jane. She was born Abt. 1856 in KY. Children of John Williams and Jane are: + 4 i. Bill4 Williams, born Abt. 1879 in KY. 5 ii. Harmon Williams, born Abt. 1875. 6 iii. Jane Williams, born Abt. 1877. Generation No. 4 4. Bill4 Williams (John Bennett3, Elijah2, James1) was born Abt. 1879 in KY. He married Belle Turner. She was born Abt. 1881. Children of Bill Williams and Belle Turner are: 7 i. Bertha5 Williams, born 10 Mar 1916 in Pineville, KY; died Apr 1986 in Wallins Creek, KY. She married James Will Day; born 01 Feb 1911 in Cranks Creek, KY; died Jan 1984 in Dayhoit, KY. 8 ii. Albert Williams, born Abt. 1903. 9 iii. Elbert Williams, born Abt. 1905. He married Mary Morgan. 10 iv. James Williams, born Abt. 1907. 11 v. Gracie Williams, born Abt. 1910. 12 vi. Lawrence Williams, born Abt. 1915. 13 vii. Fred Williams, born Abt. 1918.

Does anyone know of JC Frost, James, Jim? He was in Edmonson county KY in the 1890s. He was married to Tabitha Rich in Dec 1895. Tabitha was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Rich. She died in Aug of 1896. She was only 14, born in 1882. JC was also married to Sarah Ellen Jaggers, Daughter of John Bunyan and Sarah Ellen Sego Jaggers. JC and Sarah married in June of 1896. They had a son John Shelton Frost, born in Oct 1897. JC is now gone and Sarah is married to a man named Peter Cartwright Reynolds. They raise John together, with Peters' daughter, Ollie and several of their own children, John thinking that he is a Reynolds and using that name into his late teens. If anyone knows any of these people please respond. Thanks, Beth He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.