New databases at AccessGenealogy Guion Miller Roll http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/guion.php Index to the 1896 Dawes Applications http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/commission.php These have been a long time coming, and we hope you find the ancestors you are looking for with these new databases. Autobiography of Black Hawk or Ma-Ka-Tai-Me-She-Kia-Kiak http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/black_hawk/ There is some information included on his relationship with the Cherokee. We also added the following, each contain some Native American information Reminiscent History Of The Ozark Region http://www.accessgenealogy.com/arkansas/reminiscent_history_of_the_ozark.htm Biographical Sketches Of Western North Carolina http://www.accessgenealogy.com/northcarolina/biographical_sketches.htm Judy

If you think my Turners are a problem. Then listen to this. I recently received a death certificate for a Louisa Day. Now that was pretty normal until I saw that her father was Aley Ledford. My great great grandfather was Aley Ledford. It goes a little like this: Aley Ledford f/o Newton Day and Beatty Day. Newton Day was the father of Daniel Day. Daniel Day married Louisa Ledford/Sergent d/o Aley Ledford and Rebecca Sergent according to the death certificate. However, Rebecca Sergent had a Louisa and John Sergent (twins) on May 15, 1858 but the birth information says the father was Widow Green. Now I have looked Harlan County over and can find no Louisa Green, Ledford, or Sergent in 1860 or 1870. Let-a-lone a Widow Green. Now I just wonder was Rebecca Sergent THE WIDOW GREEN or did a Widow Green man exist? Again Beatty and Newton were sons of Nancy Day. Why did these individuals not take the name Ledford? Even today most people use the fathers name for the children. Ya'll jump in here any time an pull on the strings of my sanity. So the way that I have it figured is that Daniel Day married his half aunt? If'n you can ponder that for a minute.. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Justicetrailrdr@aol.com [mailto:Justicetrailrdr@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:32 PM To: sheree606@alltel.net Subject: ? and comments lol.. and How are ya.. A Hello, How are ya .. comment on request and Question when you have time that I bet I actually know the answer to this time. lol Sherri wish I could help ya heck I have done the complete line on one ancestor only to find out that heck there were two ppl with the same name and dob born in the same counties with the same childrens names in the same time frames. Do you think they set out to really confuse future generations or it just happens this way? lol. I know how this mess gets you so lost its like come on give me a break you Know who your mom was least you had to have heard rumors.. Next I had a question I know the answer I am about positive but said I would ask you any how.. since you have traveled this road. Would a dna test on first cousins (thats questionable there) show if they had the same grand parents if they were both tested? I am thinking that it would. BUT We both know I am not always right on this matter I did check your link and gosh that would be something to figure out. Looks like they could of made it somewhat simpler not added all those extra people in there. Science is amazing but dang come on cut some slack we just want simple answers at times. Many Blessings and I Do wish you luck on the Van hunting, TT JusticeTrailRdr@aol.com

Hello, I have a feeling that this is just a stupid question but would anyone be familiar with the name Van Turner? Finally found a death cert for my great grandmother Litty/Liddie/Lydie/Lydia/Belle/Lydia Belle Turner. Birth date is 3/1/1889 her mother was listed as unknown and her father listed as Van Turner. Oddly her son was the informant and did not know who her mother was????????????????????????? I get more confused by the day. The death cert specifies that she was buried in the white star cemetery in Harlan county KY. Her tombstone says placed at the white star cemetery says she was born in 1876 and died in 1956. Of course this does not match with the info on the death cert. Now, I found a Van Turner in the 1900 Breathitt county census but no Lydia or Litty or any other variation was on that census in that household. Possibly she could have been born in 1876 thus explaining why she was not on the 1900 census. However, on census records her birth date is abt. 1881.That Van Turner (and I am not saying positively at this point that it is my Van Turner) was born in KY and his parents as well as their parents were born in TN. Any thoughts are welcome and very much appreciated. Sherry

I have been attempting to research the ancestors of three siblings. They came from the Carolina area to Georgia in about 1800. They are THOMPSON HARRIS b. abt 1754, his younger brother, HAMPTON HARRIS, and their sister, FRANCIS HARRIS. I have read on the net that there are a large number of Harris' among the Cherokee. Does anyone out there have any information on this family? Any Harris family research in this area? Thompson Harris is my gg grandfather. Thank You in advance for any help. Christine Harris Boyette MAY YOU ALWAYS WALK WITH ANGELS

If anyone wishes to see what the results look like from Family Tree DNA I will be more than happy to send you a direct link to my results page. I trust that anyone wishing to see this will please keep any information that you see to themselves.. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Graves" <flegel_graves@yahoo.com> To: <CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] DNA Questions > Ann, I just saw a Bill Nye Science Guy program (PBS) that said that if > you choose any two humans in the world, over 99% of their DNA would match. > I have also seen e-mails from people who had DNA testing done, but said > they got pretty generic information, i.e., they had Native American genes, > but the testing couldn't designate which tribe(s) they came from. If you > don't mind spending the money, I suggest you research carefully and don't > believe outlandish claims. If you can see a sample report, that would > probably help. If you have a specific family to research, DNA testing can > be much more helpful. It can tell you whether the O'Connells from Kansas > are related to the O'Connells from California and that type of thing. Just > my two cents worth. > > Rhonda from Texas > > Ann Kane <sportsmomof4@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone had done the DNA testing and if they had any > luck in them? I have been trying to research my family, and keep hitting > dead ends. My great-grandfather was full blood Cherokee, but was adopted > by a white family. We have not been able to get any further then that. > > I thought if maybe we did the DNA it would help. I have been told that > once we have the DNA results that we can be put into a database, where we > could be matched up with other results. Is this true? > > I also would like to get a reputable DNA lab to do the test as well, so if > any one has recommendations on that, it would be wonderful. > > Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me. > > Sincerely, > Ann Kane > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > Please visit: Cherokee-Surnames Home page > http://www.accessgenealogy\native\mail\cherokee.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > Indian Tribes by Location: > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indianlocation.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Ann, I just saw a Bill Nye Science Guy program (PBS) that said that if you choose any two humans in the world, over 99% of their DNA would match. I have also seen e-mails from people who had DNA testing done, but said they got pretty generic information, i.e., they had Native American genes, but the testing couldn't designate which tribe(s) they came from. If you don't mind spending the money, I suggest you research carefully and don't believe outlandish claims. If you can see a sample report, that would probably help. If you have a specific family to research, DNA testing can be much more helpful. It can tell you whether the O'Connells from Kansas are related to the O'Connells from California and that type of thing. Just my two cents worth. Rhonda from Texas Ann Kane <sportsmomof4@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone had done the DNA testing and if they had any luck in them? I have been trying to research my family, and keep hitting dead ends. My great-grandfather was full blood Cherokee, but was adopted by a white family. We have not been able to get any further then that. I thought if maybe we did the DNA it would help. I have been told that once we have the DNA results that we can be put into a database, where we could be matched up with other results. Is this true? I also would like to get a reputable DNA lab to do the test as well, so if any one has recommendations on that, it would be wonderful. Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me. Sincerely, Ann Kane ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Please visit: Cherokee-Surnames Home page http://www.accessgenealogy\native\mail\cherokee.htm ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

No Joyce they are still up, but I will have to find them myself, and it will probably take me a bit as I have been having some severe computer problems, and my computer just came home from the hospital yesterday. I was reading them myself last week, so it is just a question of where. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:jgreece@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:52 PM To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Fw: question for Judy W. Judy have you removed the Letters from Fort Loudon to Governor Lyttleton? I've been searching for those to use as a primary source for some research being done and can't seem to locate them Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Indian Histories by Tribe: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/index.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I have just posted the biography of Sequoyah as given by Major George Lowery, in 1835 with introduction and transcription by John Howard Payne. www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Behind 'records' under "C" BTW all of the American State Papers with references to the Cherokee are on this site also. I had extracted those pertinent to the Cherokee and posted them in the same spot. Joyce Gaston Reece

Hello, I was wondering if anyone had done the DNA testing and if they had any luck in them? I have been trying to research my family, and keep hitting dead ends. My great-grandfather was full blood Cherokee, but was adopted by a white family. We have not been able to get any further then that. I thought if maybe we did the DNA it would help. I have been told that once we have the DNA results that we can be put into a database, where we could be matched up with other results. Is this true? I also would like to get a reputable DNA lab to do the test as well, so if any one has recommendations on that, it would be wonderful. Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me. Sincerely, Ann Kane

Judy have you removed the Letters from Fort Loudon to Governor Lyttleton? I've been searching for those to use as a primary source for some research being done and can't seem to locate them Joyce Gaston Reece

If anyone can help me, The Colbert's are pretty prominent indians in Ok, Does anyone know or can find out the parent's of Sarah A.Colbert married to henry Love, who had 5 children possibly one my grgrandmother Nettie(netta) Love .They lived Jackson,Co,ar and 1870 census only Mother Sarah and children were listed. Thanks very much, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D Digest V05 #54

I am trying to find out information about my Indian Heritage and would like to know if anyone can provide me with any data on the family name of Uzzel. My father was: William Arlan Uzzel Born: About October 22, or 23, 1924 Died: About November 1, 1999 His (my), family lived in Clayton, Oklahoma Can anyone help..... Thank you, Lamont Baker (I was adopted by William K Baker in 1963). The reason for the name difference. I was born William Arlan Uzzel in Spokane, WA on February 28, 1949.

Harlan Co. what state? Ruth

Sorry. It is in KY. You didn't miss anything. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie" <bemillsap@sbcglobal.net> To: "Sherry" <sheree606@alltel.net> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Eliza Jones Mullato > Sherry, > Where is the Harlan County? Did I miss something? > Billie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Eliza Jones Mullato > > >> Okay guys don't get the grill hot and want to BBQ me. >> >> 1850 Harlan County Census Dist. 1, 23 August, Visit 427 and living >> between my HOWARDs: >> >> Lewis J. GREEN >> Elizabeth GREEN >> Matilda GREEN >> Stephen GREEN >> Louisa GREEN >> Eliza JONES age 9 Mullato (my guess would be Indian). >> >> I am not sure how she fits into this Green line. I think he was in the >> military. Anyway, if anyone is searching for Jones that may be Indian I >> thought I would throw this out there. >> >> Sherry >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com, To post to the >> list CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > >

Okay guys don't get the grill hot and want to BBQ me. 1850 Harlan County Census Dist. 1, 23 August, Visit 427 and living between my HOWARDs: Lewis J. GREEN Elizabeth GREEN Matilda GREEN Stephen GREEN Louisa GREEN Eliza JONES age 9 Mullato (my guess would be Indian). I am not sure how she fits into this Green line. I think he was in the military. Anyway, if anyone is searching for Jones that may be Indian I thought I would throw this out there. Sherry

Looking for any info on Eleander Choate/Shote brn abt 1801 Ky,and was believed to been full blood Cherokee. She was later found in IT of Southern TN abt 1818. Thanks Roy.

If anyone has any info on robert porter and nannie burns porter they died in cabell co wv nannies parents were andrew burns and blanche wright burns it would be appreciated

In a message dated 7/9/2005 2:43:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sheree606@alltel.net writes: I have had several individuals email me that have shown a genetic match to me from Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, North Carolina, South Carolina and even Canada. The problem is that I have found not one individual in my family lines that have had any kind of connection with these areas. In fact, I have only ventured outside of KY to TN and VA that's it. To complicate things more...the individuals say their family lines have never had any connection to KY and that they can trace them in the above mentioned areas Hi You might want to try the DNA list. You can join and ask someone or you might try using the 'SEARCH' and see if you can find what you are looking for. I think they might be able to help you. Joanne _http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html)

Hello Everyone! As much as I would like to tell everyone that DNA testing is a miracle for genealogy, I can not do that. Since I have had my DNA test I have been running around in even more circles trying to figure out why/how these other people are related to me genetically. For example: I have had several individuals email me that have shown a genetic match to me from Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, North Carolina, South Carolina and even Canada. The problem is that I have found not one individual in my family lines that have had any kind of connection with these areas. In fact, I have only ventured outside of KY to TN and VA that's it. To complicate things more...the individuals say their family lines have never had any connection to KY and that they can trace them in the above mentioned areas for years and years. Weird huh? Surnames such as Raper, Ketcher, Petitt, etc are "foreign" to me and are not seen in the areas where my families are from. I am not sure what to make of that. Did this test help? NO Did you know that haplogroup N* has many subclades including the supposed Native American haplogroup B. N* is considered a European lineage. To make matters worse a gentelman that I showed a genetic match to tested haplogroup T1 with one company, tested with another and was haplogroup B. Which is correct? Beats me and I would bet they don't even know. Incidentally, haplogroup T1 is also a subclade of N*. I don't even want to get started on Brent Kennedy. The poor fellow tanned well and he has a problem with that? Sorry, he really gets under my skin. All in all after having my DNA test I am essentially back where I started, looking at every census, piece of paper recorded and running from county to county sometimes to see what I can find. I am not saying that everyone has had such luck with DNA testing but the majority of individuals that have emailed me back can not make the connection either. Maternal DNA testing is suppose to find genetic matches within 52 generations, well, at least 50 percent of the time it is less than 52 generations which means that the other 50 percent of the time it is even greater. Flip a coin! Now, if you had the money and lots of volunteers for DNA testing sure over time it may tell you exactly who you are related to and come together quite nicely. However, it isn't practical to think that way. I intend on having two more DNA tests done. One on my son's father because I recently found out that his Green line came from the same area as mine and when I looked at census records his Greens! lived next door to my ancestors. We have a son together so naturally I would like to know if a relationship exists between my Greens and his Greens. Other than that...DNA testing is not very useful to me. I apologize if this seems a little blunt. I am not impressed with DNA testing and I do not think it can tell you if you are Indian or anthing else for that matter. The Jewish are saying the same thing. DNA testing can not suppsedly tell you if you are "Jewish" so if it can not do that then it can not tell you if you are Indian either. To dead ends and complete circles, Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: Justicetrailrdr@aol.com To: sheree606@alltel.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: DNA Testing hey, Didn't bother me at all to receive your message I have often wondered about those test myself and how accurate they are in the connecting to Native American sides of familys. Not to mention can it even help establish ones position inside the cultural stands of Native Tribes known today. If you haven't gotten a chance I want to suggest an article that just appeared in the Time Magazine, TIME.com: Can DNA Reveal Your Roots? -- Jul. 11, 2005. I know this isn't probably what a lot of searchers for Indian heritage want to see or hear about ancestry but, the article is very informative for those of us who are still hitting brick walls when we get to the part of "oh she was part Indian you know" in our family history. And thank you for the post regardless of what some might say I too wonder exactly the same as you and would welcome any feed back that you might receive from your post. I would post myself but I haven't quite figured that out nor have I figured out a lot on this journey of who's who in my family tree. Many Blessings, TT Wolf Justice

Hello Everyone! I am sorry that I sent the previous message on DNA testing to this list. I have been volunteering for the March of Dimes this weekend and I am tired. I just sent the message to everyone in my contacts list without thinking. As far as I know I have shown no genetic connection to anyone on this list. Sincerely, Sherry R. Huff