I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to go about checking for Indian blood in my family. On my birth certificate it states that my mother is part Cherokee. Checking the Census records on the family back through my great grandparents it states that they are white on all the census records that I have checked. The only thing that I seem to be able to come up with stating there is Indian heritage is my birth certificate. I am beginning to think the family tried to hide and went to great lengths to hide the fact they came from Cherokee heritage. I never knew my mother's mother but the few pictures I have seen of her she looks like she was part Indian. Growing up I was always told that there was Cherokee blood in the family but I sure had not been able to come up with anything to prove it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Sue

What is in a Name? A name is something personal, yet impersonal when it needs to be. A name is something only an individual can make unique. Lots of names mimic others. They are not indicative of ethnicity or race. Would it surprise you to know that 200 SPENCER surnames are on the Dawes roll? Surely, we all know of Princess Diana who was a SPENCER. Do not think in the terms of what would sound English or what would sound Native. You might be surprised. Look for your ancestors as if you are searching for gold. Be proud of them wherever they came from or whoever they are. They sacrificed a lot.English or not. They stood for something. Do not dismiss their English suffering as insignificant. They may be Jewish or some other ethnicity that suffered greatly. Suffering is suffering. When it (suffering) decides to discriminate.only those that suffer know.

Hi everyone: Here are some of my Cherokee surnames: Shoemaker, Fallin, Bolton, Keller, Money, Donaldson, Cox, Jackson Would love to hear if there are any close cousins out there . Carol

i have a betsy barnes as gr gr gr grandmother and our family oral history is that she was cherokee. they lived in tennessee and i believe this to be circa 1810 approx.

There are quite a lot of Barnes in the Pittsburg County area of Oklahoma, you can check usgenweb or other sites for this area and see what you can find. My g aunt was married to a Barnes, but I don't know much about them and they never had any kids, but I do know there's quite a lot of his family in that area. They are supposed to be of Cherokee descent as I recall. Pittsburg County was previously Tobucksy County and Choctaw Nation. There is a society, Pittsburg County Genealogical & Historical Society in McAlester, OK that might be of help, they also have a website (check the name of the society at www.google.com) and do look-ups by email if you have specific names and such. I hope this helps some! Jana ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol jean" <caroljean646@earthlink.net> To: <CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] BARNES/WALTERS >I grew up in Maryland, on the border of Washington, D.C. - I am Cherokee >and Northern Cheyenne. One of my best friends as in elementary >school...her mother was a Barnes. Her mother's name was Virginia (Virgie). >My friend's name was Jessie (Jessie was born in 1946). Her siblings were >Raymond, Goldie and Dawn. I can't think of the names of the grandparents >but they lived in a village called 'Shoemaker Hill'. > > Hope this helps. > > Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: EMERALDZ36@aol.com > Sent: Sep 14, 2005 7:04 AM > To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] BARNES/WALTERS > > Looking for anyone who may be connected to my family--Great Grandmother > Mattie Barnes b1898 OK, her Mother- Mary Walters b1871 AR, her Father- > John > William > Barnes b 1866 AR, > family says Mattie was 1/2 Cherokee and mother (Mary) was full blood > > > ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > Please visit: Cherokee-Surnames Home page > http://www.accessgenealogy\native\mail\cherokee.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== > Indian Tribes by Location: > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indianlocation.htm > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I grew up in Maryland, on the border of Washington, D.C. - I am Cherokee and Northern Cheyenne. One of my best friends as in elementary school...her mother was a Barnes. Her mother's name was Virginia (Virgie). My friend's name was Jessie (Jessie was born in 1946). Her siblings were Raymond, Goldie and Dawn. I can't think of the names of the grandparents but they lived in a village called 'Shoemaker Hill'. Hope this helps. Carol -----Original Message----- From: EMERALDZ36@aol.com Sent: Sep 14, 2005 7:04 AM To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] BARNES/WALTERS Looking for anyone who may be connected to my family--Great Grandmother Mattie Barnes b1898 OK, her Mother- Mary Walters b1871 AR, her Father- John William Barnes b 1866 AR, family says Mattie was 1/2 Cherokee and mother (Mary) was full blood ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Please visit: Cherokee-Surnames Home page http://www.accessgenealogy\native\mail\cherokee.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Looking for anyone who may be connected to my family--Great Grandmother Mattie Barnes b1898 OK, her Mother- Mary Walters b1871 AR, her Father- John William Barnes b 1866 AR, family says Mattie was 1/2 Cherokee and mother (Mary) was full blood

I am posting the excerpts from the John Jay Dickey Diary concerning Red Bird. This Diary is considered an historical document. For those of you who are not familiar with the John Jay Dickey Diary, John Jay Dickey traveled Ky and recorded information concerning individuals in different counties in KY. These excerpts from the diary about Red Bird are fascinating and each account different from the next with the exception that Red Bird was Indian. The individuals giving this information are listed under the page number. John Dickey is in Manchester (Clay County, KY) December 21, 1895-July 29, 1899 Page 2074 Capt. Byron The Indian Chief for whom Red Bird Creek in Clay County was named, was (probably) a Cherokee from Tennesee or North Carolina. Like others of his race he was a great hunter and allured by the game in this remote region. He finally took up his residence on the creek that bears his name at the mouth of Jack's creek in this county. He came to his death by the avarice of the "pale face". There lived with him a crippled Indian named Willie. This man dressed the skins which Red Bird brought to their wigwam and looked after the culinary department of the house. Some hunters from North Carolina, greedy and miscrupulous, came to the wigwam and murdered Willie. They then secreted themselves and awaited the return of the brave chief who had long before buried his tomahawk and for many years had been living in peace with the white man and as he approached his crude castle the bullet of an assassin laid him in the dust. They threw his body into a hole of water near by, still called "Willies's Hole" from which John Gilbert and others took him and buried him. One tradition is that he was sitting on the bank of the creek fishing when he was shot and that he fell into the creek. Page 2386 Abijah Gilbert Red Bird was killed by some hunters below the mouth of Big Creek and thrown into a hole of water. I do not know whether my father helped to bury him or not. I have heard my father talk about Red Bird but I do not remember anything definitely now. There was no justification for the murder of Red Bird. The hunters quarreled with him about furs and killed him out of greed. He had an Indian with him called Jack, who escaped. Page 2390 John R. Gilbert I was born in Clay County, KY September 18, 1841. I am a son of Abijah and Martha Gilbert. I knew my grandfather, John Gilbert well. I used to be with him a great deal. When I was 14 years old, he and I were passing the mouth of Hector's Creek. He said here in this bottom just above the mouth of this creek is where Red Bird was killed. Red Bird and his companion, Jack, were asleep. A party of white men came along. A young man in the party had lost his father by the Indians and he had taken a vow that he would kill the first Indian he should meet. This was the first chance. He took the tomahawk of these sleeping Indians and with it killed them and then threw them in the river. He said he came along a short time after the murder was committed and saw their bodies. I think he helped to bury them, thought I do not remember. He told me the name of the young man who killed them. It was a queer name but I do not remember it. He said Red Bird was a peaceable Indian and should not have been killed.

I will try to get this straight. I am having some trouble. Martha Shelton (below) is my great grandmother. Margaret is listed as widowed and I am searching for more information on my William Shelton that married Margaret Sandlin and who his parents may have been. I have not been able to find William Shelton and Margaret Sandlin Shelton in 1870 in KY so far. As always, any tad bit of information or lead is greatly appreciated. (per 1880 Clay Co., Ky Census, ED 24 Bullskin Pct 6, p.512C) 7 houses before Marion & Mary Jane Muncy in 1880 visit 89, at visit 82: Shelton, Margaret; Head; 33 (b. abt 1847); widow; Ky, Ky, NC. ............, William A.; 12, son, Ky, NC, Ky. ............, Hiram; 7, son, Ky, NC, Ky. ............, MARTHA; 6, dau, Ky, NC, Ky.******* ............, Sarah; 4, dau, Ky, NC, Ky. ............, Mary H.; 3, dau, Ky, NC, Ky. ............, Emily; 2, dau, Ky, NC, Ky. ............, Verrinda; 9 months (b.Aug), dau, Ky, NC, Ky. Martha Shelton m. Cam Williams Martha Shelton is the d/o Margaret Sandlin and William Shelton. Sherry

The latest addition to the rolls at Native American Genealogy Dawes Roll Index, just the listing of name, roll number, and the page number from the roll http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalindex.php This will replace the images that have been on our pages for a long time. Just a new tool to make your research easier!! Judy

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OOPS! Wanted to correct error in former post;; JOEL LEE's DEATH DATE Should read : Oct 21, 1862 - NOT 1817. Thanks, Nancy In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:26:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, Serenity4us2@aol.com writes: Looking for info on JESSE LEE- son of LONG DAVID LEE and his brothers (listed below); and trying to determine where one of our Cherokee Heritages started in this line... Also any info on 2cd wife SUSANNAH LANGSTON, who was my 4th great grandmother. I have included notes sent from other researchers with some interesting details. JESSE LEE Birth: 16 Mar 1767, Johnston County, North Carolina Death: 6 Nov 1831, Johnston County, North Carolina 1st wife: Elizabeth BLACKMAN 2cd wife: Susannah LANGSTON - (My line); Also seeking his brothers JOEL & AARON LEE, who moved to ALA; Joel settled in BURNT CORN, ALA. JOEL LEE- Brother of JESSE LEE & AARON LEE NC>AL Birth: 4 Jan 1773, Smithfield, Johnston County, N. Car. Death: 21 Oct 1817, Burnt Corn, Conecuh County, Al. Buried on LOWERY TRUST property. Joel went to Alabama in 1817. Joel Lee came to Burnt Corn Alabama from Smithfield N C. His brother Aaron Lee was with him and shows on 1820 Conecuh Census. He was a Baptist and a Democrat and was the first Justice of the Peace in Conecuh County, having been appointed by Gov. William Bibb. He was a pioneer settler and planter and his homestead was about one and a half miles southeasterly from the Burnt Corn-Belleville Road. Joel Lee and Media Lassiter had 10 children. he was from Smithfield, N. Carolina. They are both buried in the Joel Lee Family Cemetery, located about 4 miles east of Burnt Corn on private timber lands. According to Charles Lee, who visited the cemetery in July 1999, it is located behind locked timber gates on private land. Charles indicated that the cemetery is badly overgrown with brush and briars. The Joel Lee cemetery is not easily accessible; it is within the property of the LOWREY TRUST. Joel Lee was one of the first settlers in Conecuh County, Alabama Born near Smithfield, North Carolina Jan 4, 1773, Died here Oct 21, 1862 ~~~ Aaron, Jesse and Joel were all on the tax rolls of N. C. in 1817. By 1818 Aaron and Joel were on the Conecuh County, Alabama rolls. In Alabama 1820, the following were in that state: Aaron, Joel, William in Conecuh and in Wilcox County, Samuel Lee. ~~~ From: LEE FAMILY WEBSITE ON FTM (Sent to me 6-2005-NJC) They crossed the Indian Nation and Burnt Corn was the first place they could stop. (in 1817). The Farmersville, Furman area is some of the best Farm land in Alabama. By 1819 that was opened up and they show in 1830 census. The Choctaw indians were our allies against the Creeks and retained there land a long time. I don't remember the dates, but soon the Choctaw land was "opened up". Perhaps this is the reason for the late 1840s move to Ms. They were doing well in Lowndes/Wilcox, listed as "Planters". Two of Joel Lee b January 04, 1773 sons, also moved to Lowndes Co. Martin Lee b November 07, 1800 lived right amoung his uncle & cousins there at the convergence of Wilcox, Lowneds & Dallas counties Al. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.1.1.2.2 LONG DAVID LEE Sr. _______________________________________________ Birth: 17 January 1745/46, Sampson County, N. Car. Death: 27 Aug 1812, Johnston County, North Carolina David Lee's will, Johnston County, N. Car., names all of his children and his wife. He was a veteran of the Rev. War.Source: Al Noblin provided info, 5/2000. "Long" David Lee was also called "Tall" David. "Long David" had a second cousin, or first cousin once removed, that was named David and was called "Short David" Lee. "Short" David was the son of Peter Lee, Jr., whose father, Peter Lee, Sr., was the brother to William Lee, Jr., who was the father of "Long" David. "Long" David was tall and "Short" David was short in stature. The two David Lees lived in the same area and so to delineate between the two, they were called "Long" or "Tall David" and "Short David." Mack Lee (_mackl@flash.net_ (mailto:mackl@flash.net) ) Will of David Lee; Younger, Sampson Co.; wr. 24 Nov. 1793; pr. Dec.1793; Extr: JESSE LEE, Joel Lee; Wit: Joab Blackman, William Fellow Brothers: Jesse, Joel, Aaron Lee (Aaron was given 200 a. of land.) Sisters: Nancy and Phereby Lee Division of Estate of David Lee, 1813-14 (Johnston Co. Superior Court, Land Book 1, page 199) JESSE LEE - - 700 a. in Johnston and Sampson Cos. by his father. It was valued at $1000. Jesse was to be paid $80 by his brother Aaron. Joel had been given 427 a. of land, and was allotted another 19 1/2 a. to being his total share to $1080. Aaron had been given 200 a. of land by his father, and was allotted another 267 a. to bring his total share to $1080. The children of Nancy Sasser, namely, Josiah, David, and William, were allotted 567 a. of land to make their share of the estate equal to $1080. Will of Martha Lee, Johnston Co.; wr. 22 July 1813; pr. May 1816 Extr: Aaron Lee Wit: James Lee, Jr., David George Sons: Aron, JESSE, Joel Granch: David, Josiah, and William Sasser" 1.1.1.2.2.2a JESSE LEE* _______________________________________________ Birth: 16 Mar 1767, Johnston County, North Carolina Death: 6 Nov 1831, Johnston County, North Carolina Jesse Lee moved to Cross Creek, now Fayetteville, N. C., after his marriage. He and his wife's father acquired and operated a stage coach company to Tarborough, N.C., a distance of 125 miles. It took 60 horses to make the round trip. Lee and Blackman also sailed merchant ships to and from the West Indies. (So did THOMAS TART- whom the LEE family intermarried with several gens in NC -NJC) In 1801, a N.C. Senate bill was passed to keep Jesse Lee from taking into his possession any property Elizabeth had or might acquire. He had left her about that time and taken up with another woman. Elizabeth died in 1811. Jesse then married Susannah Langston (NOTE: My Line- NJC). Jesse's will went to probate court, Sampson County, in November term, 1831. He had died 6 Nov. 1831. 1.1.1.2.2.2b JESSE LEE* (See above) _______________________________________________ Spouse: Susannah LANGSTON Children: JAMES W. (1814-1878) Nancy Jonathan Pherabe (1792-) Susanna Other spouses: Elizabeth Blackman 1.1.1.2.2.2b.1 JAMES W. LEE _______________________________________________ Birth: 1814 Death: Sep 1878 Spouse: ISABELLA TART Birth: 1814 Death: aft 1880 1.1.1.2.2.2b.2 Nancy Lee _______________________________________________ Spouse: Willie Johnson 1.1.1.2.2.2b.3 Jonathan Lee _______________________________________________ 1.1.1.2.2.2b.4 Pherabe Lee _______________________________________________ Birth: 1792 Spouse: William N. Rose Marr: 1847 1.1.1.2.2.2b.5 Susanna Lee _______________________________________________ Spouse: Samuel Smith Dr. 1.1.1.2.2.3 Joel Lee Birth: 4 Jan 1773, Smithfield, Johnston County, N. Car. Death: 21 Oct 1817, Burnt Corn, Conecuh County, Al. Joel went to Alabama in 1817. Joel Lee came to Burnt Corn Alabama from Smithfield N C. His brother Aaron Lee was with him and shows on 1820 Conecuh census. He was a Baptist and a Democrat and was the first Justice of the Peace in Conecuh County, having been appointed by Gov. William Bibb. He was a pioneer settler and planter and his homestead was about one and a half miles southeasterly from the Burnt Corn-Belleville Road. Joel Lee and Media Lassiter had 10 children. he was from Smithfield, N. Carolina. They are both buried in the Joel Lee Family Cemetery, located about 4 miles east of Burnt Corn on private timber lands. According to Charles Lee, who visited the cemetery in July 1999, it is located behind locked timber gates on private land. Charles indicated that the cemetery is badly overgrown with brush and briars. The Joel Lee cemetery is not easily accessible; it is within the property of the LOWREY TRUST. Joel Lee was one of the first settlers in Conecuh County, Alabama Born near Smithfield, North Carolina Jan 4, 1773, Died here Oct 21, 1862 >snip<

Looking for info on JESSE LEE- son of LONG DAVID LEE and his brothers (listed below); and trying to determine where one of our Cherokee Heritages started in this line... Also any info on 2cd wife SUSANNAH LANGSTON, who was my 4th great grandmother. I have included notes sent from other researchers with some interesting details. JESSE LEE Birth: 16 Mar 1767, Johnston County, North Carolina Death: 6 Nov 1831, Johnston County, North Carolina 1st wife: Elizabeth BLACKMAN 2cd wife: Susannah LANGSTON - (My line); Also seeking his brothers JOEL & AARON LEE, who moved to ALA; Joel settled in BURNT CORN, ALA. JOEL LEE- Brother of JESSE LEE & AARON LEE NC>AL Birth: 4 Jan 1773, Smithfield, Johnston County, N. Car. Death: 21 Oct 1817, Burnt Corn, Conecuh County, Al. Buried on LOWERY TRUST property. Joel went to Alabama in 1817. Joel Lee came to Burnt Corn Alabama from Smithfield N C. His brother Aaron Lee was with him and shows on 1820 Conecuh Census. He was a Baptist and a Democrat and was the first Justice of the Peace in Conecuh County, having been appointed by Gov. William Bibb. He was a pioneer settler and planter and his homestead was about one and a half miles southeasterly from the Burnt Corn-Belleville Road. Joel Lee and Media Lassiter had 10 children. he was from Smithfield, N. Carolina. They are both buried in the Joel Lee Family Cemetery, located about 4 miles east of Burnt Corn on private timber lands. According to Charles Lee, who visited the cemetery in July 1999, it is located behind locked timber gates on private land. Charles indicated that the cemetery is badly overgrown with brush and briars. The Joel Lee cemetery is not easily accessible; it is within the property of the LOWREY TRUST. Joel Lee was one of the first settlers in Conecuh County, Alabama Born near Smithfield, North Carolina Jan 4, 1773, Died here Oct 21, 1862 ~~~ Aaron, Jesse and Joel were all on the tax rolls of N. C. in 1817. By 1818 Aaron and Joel were on the Conecuh County, Alabama rolls. In Alabama 1820, the following were in that state: Aaron, Joel, William in Conecuh and in Wilcox County, Samuel Lee. ~~~ From: LEE FAMILY WEBSITE ON FTM (Sent to me 6-2005-NJC) They crossed the Indian Nation and Burnt Corn was the first place they could stop. (in 1817). The Farmersville, Furman area is some of the best Farm land in Alabama. By 1819 that was opened up and they show in 1830 census. The Choctaw indians were our allies against the Creeks and retained there land a long time. I don't remember the dates, but soon the Choctaw land was "opened up". Perhaps this is the reason for the late 1840s move to Ms. They were doing well in Lowndes/Wilcox, listed as "Planters". Two of Joel Lee b January 04, 1773 sons, also moved to Lowndes Co. Martin Lee b November 07, 1800 lived right amoung his uncle & cousins there at the convergence of Wilcox, Lowneds & Dallas counties Al. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.1.1.2.2 LONG DAVID LEE Sr. _______________________________________________ Birth: 17 January 1745/46, Sampson County, N. Car. Death: 27 Aug 1812, Johnston County, North Carolina David Lee's will, Johnston County, N. Car., names all of his children and his wife. He was a veteran of the Rev. War.Source: Al Noblin provided info, 5/2000. "Long" David Lee was also called "Tall" David. "Long David" had a second cousin, or first cousin once removed, that was named David and was called "Short David" Lee. "Short" David was the son of Peter Lee, Jr., whose father, Peter Lee, Sr., was the brother to William Lee, Jr., who was the father of "Long" David. "Long" David was tall and "Short" David was short in stature. The two David Lees lived in the same area and so to delineate between the two, they were called "Long" or "Tall David" and "Short David." Mack Lee (_mackl@flash.net_ (mailto:mackl@flash.net) ) Will of David Lee; Younger, Sampson Co.; wr. 24 Nov. 1793; pr. Dec.1793; Extr: JESSE LEE, Joel Lee; Wit: Joab Blackman, William Fellow Brothers: Jesse, Joel, Aaron Lee (Aaron was given 200 a. of land.) Sisters: Nancy and Phereby Lee Division of Estate of David Lee, 1813-14 (Johnston Co. Superior Court, Land Book 1, page 199) JESSE LEE - - 700 a. in Johnston and Sampson Cos. by his father. It was valued at $1000. Jesse was to be paid $80 by his brother Aaron. Joel had been given 427 a. of land, and was allotted another 19 1/2 a. to being his total share to $1080. Aaron had been given 200 a. of land by his father, and was allotted another 267 a. to bring his total share to $1080. The children of Nancy Sasser, namely, Josiah, David, and William, were allotted 567 a. of land to make their share of the estate equal to $1080. Will of Martha Lee, Johnston Co.; wr. 22 July 1813; pr. May 1816 Extr: Aaron Lee Wit: James Lee, Jr., David George Sons: Aron, JESSE, Joel Granch: David, Josiah, and William Sasser" 1.1.1.2.2.2a JESSE LEE* _______________________________________________ Birth: 16 Mar 1767, Johnston County, North Carolina Death: 6 Nov 1831, Johnston County, North Carolina Jesse Lee moved to Cross Creek, now Fayetteville, N. C., after his marriage. He and his wife's father acquired and operated a stage coach company to Tarborough, N.C., a distance of 125 miles. It took 60 horses to make the round trip. Lee and Blackman also sailed merchant ships to and from the West Indies. (So did THOMAS TART- whom the LEE family intermarried with several gens in NC -NJC) In 1801, a N.C. Senate bill was passed to keep Jesse Lee from taking into his possession any property Elizabeth had or might acquire. He had left her about that time and taken up with another woman. Elizabeth died in 1811. Jesse then married Susannah Langston (NOTE: My Line- NJC). Jesse's will went to probate court, Sampson County, in November term, 1831. He had died 6 Nov. 1831. 1.1.1.2.2.2b JESSE LEE* (See above) _______________________________________________ Spouse: Susannah LANGSTON Children: JAMES W. (1814-1878) Nancy Jonathan Pherabe (1792-) Susanna Other spouses: Elizabeth Blackman 1.1.1.2.2.2b.1 JAMES W. LEE _______________________________________________ Birth: 1814 Death: Sep 1878 Spouse: ISABELLA TART Birth: 1814 Death: aft 1880 1.1.1.2.2.2b.2 Nancy Lee _______________________________________________ Spouse: Willie Johnson 1.1.1.2.2.2b.3 Jonathan Lee _______________________________________________ 1.1.1.2.2.2b.4 Pherabe Lee _______________________________________________ Birth: 1792 Spouse: William N. Rose Marr: 1847 1.1.1.2.2.2b.5 Susanna Lee _______________________________________________ Spouse: Samuel Smith Dr. 1.1.1.2.2.3 Joel Lee Birth: 4 Jan 1773, Smithfield, Johnston County, N. Car. Death: 21 Oct 1817, Burnt Corn, Conecuh County, Al. Joel went to Alabama in 1817. Joel Lee came to Burnt Corn Alabama from Smithfield N C. His brother Aaron Lee was with him and shows on 1820 Conecuh census. He was a Baptist and a Democrat and was the first Justice of the Peace in Conecuh County, having been appointed by Gov. William Bibb. He was a pioneer settler and planter and his homestead was about one and a half miles southeasterly from the Burnt Corn-Belleville Road. Joel Lee and Media Lassiter had 10 children. he was from Smithfield, N. Carolina. They are both buried in the Joel Lee Family Cemetery, located about 4 miles east of Burnt Corn on private timber lands. According to Charles Lee, who visited the cemetery in July 1999, it is located behind locked timber gates on private land. Charles indicated that the cemetery is badly overgrown with brush and briars. The Joel Lee cemetery is not easily accessible; it is within the property of the LOWREY TRUST. Joel Lee was one of the first settlers in Conecuh County, Alabama Born near Smithfield, North Carolina Jan 4, 1773, Died here Oct 21, 1862 1.1.1.2.2.4 Steven Lee _______________________________________________ Birth: 1775, Meadow Towhnship, North Carolina 1.1.1.2.2.5 Aaron Lee Sr. _______________________________________________ Birth: 1781, Johnston County, North Carolina Death: ca 1857, Neshoba County, Mississippi Aaron Lee moved 1833 to Lowndes county, western part, Farmersville near Wilcox county. Aaron had a son named Joel Lee. They moved from Lowndes county Alabama about 1856-8 to Neshoba, MS. ------------------------------------------- [EXCERPTS] From: _Dover2@aol.com_ (mailto:Dover2@aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:13:34 EDT Subject: REMARKS on AARON SUGGS LEE (JR) To: _tnoble@mcn.org_ (mailto:tnoble@mcn.org) In 1810 Census of Johnston County, N. C. the AARON LEE residence showed the following: Two males 10 and less Alsay H. Lee, 1801 and Jesse Lee, 1803 One male 26-45 Aaron Lee born 1781 Two females 10 and less Martha E. or A., 1801 and Mary Edna Lee, 1806 One female 10-16 ?; One female 16-26 Mary Suggs (?) Lee, 1783 Aaron, Jesse and Joel were all on the tax rolls of N. C. in 1817. By 1818 Aaron and Joel were on the Conecuh County, Alabama rolls. In Alabama 1820, the following were in that state: Aaron, Joel, William in Conecuh and in Wilcox County, Samuel Lee.

I found this on the web. You can check any search engine for more info. http://jacksonvillecm.org/Info/RedMan.htm This one was on google. You can also try alltheweb.com www.lycos.com, www.about.com, www.askjeeves.com, etc. CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 63 Today's Topics: #1 Order of the Red Man ["Sherry" ] #2 RE: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of t ["Sherry" ] #3 Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of t [KYROOTS@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D, send a message to CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-D list administrator, send mail to CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:10:06 -0400 From: "Sherry" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Order of the Red Man I hope this is not some kind of cult or anything but my 2nd great grandfather has Order of the Red Man printed on his headstone. Does anyone know what that means? ______________________________Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:41:34 -0400 From: "Sherry" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of the Red Man OHH MY GOD it is a cult. I googled it! GEEEEEEsssssssssssh now I feel like I need to apologize. I am soooooooo sorry. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Sherry [mailto:sheree606@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:10 AM To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of the Red Man I hope this is not some kind of cult or anything but my 2nd great grandfather has Order of the Red Man printed on his headstone. Does anyone know what that means? ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Indian Histories by Tribe: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/index.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 ______________________________Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:51:32 EDT From: KYROOTS@aol.com To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of the Red Man In a message dated 8/25/2005 7:42:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sheree606@alltel.net writes: OHH MY GOD it is a cult. I googled it! GEEEEEEsssssssssssh now I feel like I need to apologize. I am soooooooo sorry. Google "Improved Order of the Red Men" Who Are The Red Men? '''The fraternity traces its origins back to 1765 and was originally known as the Sons of Liberty. These patriots concealed their identities and worked "underground" to help establish freedom and liberty in the early Colonies. They patterned themselves after the great Iroquois Confederacy and its democratic governing body. Their system, with elected representatives to govern tribal councils, had been in existence for several centuries. After the War of 1812 the name was changed to the Society of Red Men and later to the Improved Order of Red Men. They kept the customs and terminology of Native Americans as a basic part of the fraternity'' _http://www.redmen.org/_ (http://www.redmen.org/)

In a message dated 8/25/2005 7:42:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sheree606@alltel.net writes: OHH MY GOD it is a cult. I googled it! GEEEEEEsssssssssssh now I feel like I need to apologize. I am soooooooo sorry. Google "Improved Order of the Red Men" Who Are The Red Men? '''The fraternity traces its origins back to 1765 and was originally known as the Sons of Liberty. These patriots concealed their identities and worked "underground" to help establish freedom and liberty in the early Colonies. They patterned themselves after the great Iroquois Confederacy and its democratic governing body. Their system, with elected representatives to govern tribal councils, had been in existence for several centuries. After the War of 1812 the name was changed to the Society of Red Men and later to the Improved Order of Red Men. They kept the customs and terminology of Native Americans as a basic part of the fraternity'' _http://www.redmen.org/_ (http://www.redmen.org/)

OHH MY GOD it is a cult. I googled it! GEEEEEEsssssssssssh now I feel like I need to apologize. I am soooooooo sorry. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Sherry [mailto:sheree606@alltel.net] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:10 AM To: CHEROKEE-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHEROKEE-SURNAMES] Order of the Red Man I hope this is not some kind of cult or anything but my 2nd great grandfather has Order of the Red Man printed on his headstone. Does anyone know what that means? ==== CHEROKEE-SURNAMES Mailing List ==== Indian Histories by Tribe: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/index.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

I hope this is not some kind of cult or anything but my 2nd great grandfather has Order of the Red Man printed on his headstone. Does anyone know what that means?

More info in on my Sheltons and related surnames Descendants of Samuel Crawford Shelton Generation No. 1 1. Samuel Crawford1 Shelton He married Mary. Child of Samuel Shelton and Mary is: + 2 i. William2 Shelton, born 30 May 1868; died 01 Mar 1955. Generation No. 2 2. William2 Shelton (Samuel Crawford1) was born 30 May 1868, and died 01 Mar 1955. He married (1) Elvira Murrell. He married (2) Margaret Sandlin 05 Nov 1867 in Clay County, KY1, daughter of John Sandlin and Martha Ponder. She was born 27 Mar 1846, and died 22 Jun 1924. Child of William Shelton and Elvira Murrell is: 3 i. Nancy3 Shelton, born 1886 in Clay County, KY. She married John W. Murray 12 Aug 1904 in Clay County, KY. Child of William Shelton and Margaret Sandlin is: + 4 i. Martha3 Shelton, born 1866. Generation No. 3 4. Martha3 Shelton (William2, Samuel Crawford1) was born 1866. She married Cam Williams. He was born 1862. Child of Martha Shelton and Cam Williams is: + 5 i. Samuel Arthur4 Williams, born 12 Oct 1905. Generation No. 4 5. Samuel Arthur4 Williams (Martha3 Shelton, William2, Samuel Crawford1) was born 12 Oct 1905. He married Ellen Cumile Noe, daughter of Jarvis Noe and Cumile Bull. She was born 15 Feb 1907. Child of Samuel Williams and Ellen Noe is: 6 i. Willie Gene5 Williams, born 28 Oct 1946 in Harlan County, KY. He married Brenda Day. Descendants of William Sandlin Generation No. 1 1. William4 Sandlin (John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 1744 in Carolina County, VA. He married Massey Green. She was born 1750 in Sc. Child of William Sandlin and Massey Green is: + 2 i. Lewis A5 Sandlin, born 1776 in Kings Creek, York Co, SC. Generation No. 2 2. Lewis A5 Sandlin (William4, John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 1776 in Kings Creek, York Co, SC. He married Sarah Kennedy. She was born 1777 in NC. Child of Lewis Sandlin and Sarah Kennedy is: + 3 i. John Kennedy6 Sandlin, born 14 Mar 1824 in Clay County, KY. Generation No. 3 3. John Kennedy6 Sandlin (Lewis A5, William4, John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 14 Mar 1824 in Clay County, KY. He married (1) Jennie Brewster West. He married (2) Martha Ponder 04 Apr 1844 in Clay County, KY. She was born 25 Aug 1822 in Buncombe County, NC. Child of John Sandlin and Martha Ponder is: + 4 i. Margaret7 Sandlin, born 27 Mar 1846; died 22 Jun 1924. Generation No. 4 4. Margaret7 Sandlin (John Kennedy6, Lewis A5, William4, John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 27 Mar 1846, and died 22 Jun 1924. She married (1) Marion Muncie. He was born 12 Apr 1839. She married (2) William Shelton 05 Nov 1867 in Clay County, KY1, son of Samuel Shelton and Mary. He was born 30 May 1868, and died 01 Mar 1955. Child of Margaret Sandlin and William Shelton is: + 5 i. Martha8 Shelton, born 1866. Generation No. 5 5. Martha8 Shelton (Margaret7 Sandlin, John Kennedy6, Lewis A5, William4, John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 1866. She married Cam Williams. He was born 1862. Child of Martha Shelton and Cam Williams is: + 6 i. Samuel Arthur9 Williams, born 12 Oct 1905. Generation No. 6 6. Samuel Arthur9 Williams (Martha8 Shelton, Margaret7 Sandlin, John Kennedy6, Lewis A5, William4, John3 Sandland, Nicholas Randolph2, James1 Sandilands) was born 12 Oct 1905. He married Ellen Cumile Noe, daughter of Jarvis Noe and Cumile Bull. She was born 15 Feb 1907. Child of Samuel Williams and Ellen Noe is: 7 i. Willie Gene10 Williams, born 28 Oct 1946 in Harlan County, KY. He married Brenda Day. Endnotes 1. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/clay/vitals/marriages/s5340001.t xt. Endnotes 1. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/clay/vitals/marriages/s5340001.t xt.

I am looking for connections between Miles and Scott's of Roane Co., Tn. My 4th ggrandmother Lizzie Scott 1781 was suppose to be Cherokee.. she possibly might be connected to the Scott line of Roane Co., Tn... Any info on the Miles and Scott's would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Frances AK

Hello, Looking for CHerokeeSurname of Lynch married on April 05, 1854 in Mobile Alabama lost or died or went to Oklahoma childrens known names Mary Elizabeth and Andrew J. both died in Ark. Purplefroggigger