In a message dated 1/12/2006 4:19:58 PM Central Standard Time, wb@wvi.com writes: Hmm first time I hear this. Guess I do not know much about bushy plants <G> Dan M ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My liliacs have been here for over 34 years and they are only still bushes and I don't trim them. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America