I apologize for those on Digest or w/small inboxes like myself for the long below message. :) Alli DeLorra, I truly don't know what your issues are about my message, but the only one having a cow about anything is you. Dan has repeatedly asked that we snip/cut/eliminate all excess parts of the messages that are no longer important. My message is no longer important & I wasn't answering my own message I was answering yours LOL I fail to see how I take every message as a personal attack........your behavior is interesting oddly close to another individual I know who takes any message not siding w/them as negative & tries to spin a persons message as a negative one & attacks them......Hmmm Interesting Now....back to the original message........... (now Dan & Other's forgive me for this LONG message....but don't wanna be accused of dodging or lying or anything else again) Here is my ORIGINAL message to ShadowBear..... From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hobby > Aren't you suppose to report a "site" where you find "Indian artifacts" to > document the location & such? Can't you get in trouble for removing this > stuff. > The only reason I am asking is a guy who owned/owns a local museum got > into > some serious trouble by gathering arrow heads & such, even got items that > he's had since he was a kid confiscated from the Fed.'s. > > just curious :) > Alli IF you read it or read it again. I was ASKING if wasn't he (actually anyone in general) suppose to report the "findings". As that's what I've always heard that is suppose to be happening, even though no one or very few do. Shadow Bear explained later that he has in the past reported such things, but they didn't care & he didn't want them ended up in a warehouse......that's a basic summary. (Shadow Bear if this isn't any where close to what you said or meant.....sorry for misinterpreting your message. Now the subject line changed to "Alli--your right" which here is the whole message including Shadow Bear's below my response: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > I gotta laugh at the subject line.........its a bit scary to see my name > connected to "your right". I had to find the original message to see what > I > did LOL (laughing) > Well, I'm not too worried about it being reported to the Feds or who ever > its suppose to be. I'm thinking more of the info. being passed down to the > family members so they have the info. of when & where it was found, what > tribe (if different from the Cherokee Tribe) that it may belong to. Many > generations from now they may not have been told where you found the > artifacts. > I don't want to see any more Indian property end up in a > warehouse.....trust > me > Alli :) > > >> we use to call them every time we found a site==once in a while they >> would come out==most of the time they never came ==if they ever take >> this stuff it ends up in a warehouse some where never to be seen >> again==Now we don't bother them==we show these things they never >> do==besides this stuff belongs to my family==not some one running a >> warehouse==I know where the gov. road is back by Mountain Grove==called >> them telling them all about it ==this is where the Trail Of Tears went >> thru no one every showed up==they don't care all they do is talk Which as you can see I gave a summary above this message about what he said here above.......wasn't too far off based on this message. As you can see I was talking about still writing the info. about when & where the artifacts were located so he could pass this information (history) down in his family & hopefully the artifacts & information of where it was found (& when so they'd know exactly how old it was at this point) would be shared throughout his family & more history wouldn't be lost. Then here's my reply to you......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > Technically its illegal to dig up or even remove Indian artifacts w/o > documenting the location,etc. I didn't say it was right.....but its the > law. > Many people find Indian burial sites or living locations dig up or find > them > above ground & then turn around & sell them. which is more than likely how > they ended up in France. > > Personally I didn't say he was obligated.......at least not to the > government, but the info. of where the artifacts were located & when > should > be written down & kept w/the artifacts for his descendents in later years > to be shared the history w/. > > Alli :) > >> Besides Shadow bear you are Indian and not only does most of it belong to >> your family you are entitled to have Indian artifacts. When they collect >> things who knows where they will end up. I spoke to a friend of mine the >> other day and she has a friend in France who knows of a shoplace or >> something maybe a museum that has loads of American Indian things. What >> right did whoever gave it to them to ever take it out of the country. So >> if I were you I wouldnt tell anyone anything and I feel you have no >> obligation to do so. You can seek on your own amongst the Indiand to find >> so owners but I wouldnt turn them over to anyone less than their owners. >> >> Many peolle find things on their property and I never heard of them >> trying >> to turn everything over to anyone. Besides you tried. >> Just my thoughts. >> Delorra **********************8 As you have apparently missed.......I was agreeing w/what you said even though digging up artifacts is against the law.......I didn't write the law, don't agree w/it. But its there. But as I stated several times now......I'm not concerned w/the Fed.'s knowing what he found & where, because he's tried in the past & found it a waste of time, because as he stated they don't truly care. My concern is more history lost to the next generations because anything even as little as finding an Arrow Head some where is never documented to be passed down later. I also explained (like that was needed) how the American Indian stuff ended up in France.......people sell things on Ebay all the time that deal w/such things, as well as individually. Don't see where we had a disagreement issue in the above message. Then below is w/the current subject line...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] whatever > I know who the Indian Artifacts belong to.......they belong to the > specific > tribe that was located in the area of those artifacts......but not to > Indians in general. > > And since your TOTALLY missing my message or what I stated......the > current > subject title fits very well right now > > And the original subject/topic is being dropped by me because > > the tone I'm getting from the message below is leading into an argument, > which I'm not going to get into. > > Good night all > Alli >> Technically, whatever is on your property belongs to you. >> Personally I didnt say you said anyone was obligated. The message was ro >> Shadow bear. >> MOre importantly Indian artifacts belong to Indians. >> Delorra ************************* Which is where your tone appeared to get testy. And it has lead to you getting more rude (as that's how I am seeing the messages appear now) & as I said I am not going to get into a argument w/you. I haven't disagreed w/anything that you've stated up until your new message below. > ....................................... > In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:46:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Alli" > <iamcheroke@filertel.com> writes: > >> I know who the Indian Artifacts belong to.......they belong to the >> specific >>tribe that was located in the area of those artifacts......but not to >>Indians in general. >> >>And since your TOTALLY missing my message or what I stated......the >>current >>subject title fits very well right now >> >>And the original subject/topic is being dropped by me because >> >>the tone I'm getting from the message below is leading into an argument, >>which I'm not going to get into. >> >>Good night all >>Alli >>> Technically, whatever is on your property belongs to you. >>> Personally I didnt say you said anyone was obligated. The message was to >>> Shadow bear. >>> More importantly Indian artifacts belong to Indians. >>> Delorra Now I will address your message below.......... Where do you get that No one else can make statements? Have you or anyone else ever been stopped at making one? If so please show me the message that was never allowed to be sent thru. I have been on this list for what??? 8 years now. I have never seen or heard of anyone being prevented from ever making a statement unless it was a flat out attack on someone either as a threat or bodily harm or bad words & then it was sent thru but they were blocked/banned from returning as the attacks went private & more personal to where the Law was involved. No one (that I am aware of) is on a Gag order............Dan since your the list owner can you post whether or not you have people "gagged" for what ever reason? I know exactly how often I've been in arguments on this list......as I stated I've been on this list for 8 yrs now.....you've been here how long? how many arguments or attempted arguments are we going to find w/your name? I'm sure if Dan felt inclined he can pull up both of our names & list the exact number of arguments either one of us has been in. I betcha he can also list how many times he's had to stop arguments from starting or continuing. Not sure what the argument topic has anything to do w/the original message of finding artifacts & keeping info. on them........but I'm sure you'll explain it to me;) If you didn't write to argue then what did you do below.......increased the rudeness from the last one to insight an argument......which still isn't going to happen on my end. And as for the rural reference near the bottom of your message....... Nope I don't have a field to plow, don't own a field nor have anything to plow a field w/other than my little roto tiller & sorry.......I'll use that for my garden only LOL......as for something to feed in the barn.........again.....Nope. Don't own a barn, everything that I needs to feeds is either located in my house, my yard or in a rented pasture all in the big outdoors.....with the exception of those things I got's ta feed in the house. Then they's stays in the house. And as for a cows to milk......again nope...don't gots no cows to milk. Haven't has any of 'em since I was a young kid & then we's only had 1. You added your thoughts as I had added mine....yet you took offense to mine when there was none to be taken. As for being "dismissed" thanx but yous ain't my ma or pa nor is you my teacher nor is you any authority to mes whats so ever.........so the only one who can dismiss me is those listed above (except for the teacher cuz I haven't been in school for many years now)......so I guess you'll have to put your dismissal authority aside & let Dan make that decision :) And see.......I kept all of my message portions here just for you :) Have a good Sat. Delorra......as best that you can at least :) Alli >I see you conveniently removed YOUR portion of the message. > > How come whenever someone disagrees with you, you have a cow? Yes I > changed the subject line to "whatever" so you dont see as you always do > that everything is a personal attack! > You can make statements and no one else can? You can say whatever youwant > and everyone else is on a Gag order! At your convenience you can check the > archives and see any arguments that were on this list were involving you. > Stop reading into things that just arent there. I only made a simple > statement in ref to a message from Shadow bear. I didnt write to argue. > > Its not like I said to YOU "Dont you have a field to plow or something to > feed in the barn or some cows to milk" > I only added my thoughts. > I thought this was everyones list not Alli's list. > > YOU are DISMISSED! > > Delorra

Any and all folks = Fighting on list will get people to loose posting privileges. nuff said any more - will mean = no more Dan M