If we are going to re-hash the Chief REd Bird and Dr. Tankersley issue I'd just as soon take it off this list. It's been done to death and still no documentation has been provided to prove the theories. You can check the Brock/Red Bird PLUS the DNA projects at www.sekybrocks.com The Red Bird you folks are seeing on the western rolls is not the same person who is alleged to be in KY...couldn't be...not possible. Ever hear of Reverund Red Bird Smith of the Keetowah Society? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] > Hey anyone ever find census that have nothing listed for race for anyone > on the census? I keep finding these. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:22:13 +0000 > > hehehe hi Harold, how you doin'. > I've heard of Chief Red Bird actually tripped across him on a list or > census the other day, Tehlequah as well. How did your search go? Were > there any snags, if so, how did you resolve them? > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Harold Young" <haroldyoung@columbus.rr.com> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:20:18 -0500 > > Osiyo Friends, > > I am new to the list, but I know that the Cherokees lived in Kentucky. My > ancestor, Chief Red Bird had village in Clay County, KY.His village was > called Tehlequah, the same as the Cherokee Nation, OK. Another of Red > Bird's descendants, my cousin, Dr. Ken Tankersley, who is head of Native > American studies at Northern Kentucky University is my source. I have > found 3/16 Cherokee Blood so far. The ancestors in KY hid there to be able > to stay in their beloved eastern Mountains. Back before the 1700 hundreds > Kentucky was Virginia. In my home county Lawrence County, KY there was a > small village called Cherokee, and today it is stll called Cherokee, Ky. > For all this knowledge there is no charge. I work free! > > > Harold Young, A mixed blood Cherokee from Kentucky > > > > >>was born in Tennessee. He died in Missouri. Lucinda went on to remarry a >>Woodruff in Kentucky. Many of the children of William and Lucinda were >>born >>in Kentucky. I have some information, unfortunately not enough, to >>believe >>that William Duncan may have been NA. >>My father would not discuss any of this history with me. He would get >>upset >>when I asked questions. His mother, my grandmother, told me once as a >>young >>child when I was asking a lot of questions, to "leave the skeletons in the >>closet. I might find out something I didn't want to know." No one would >>talk about the history except that there was "an Indian in there >>somewhere". >>My cousin finally tracked the linage somehow and I got her information >>after >>my father died. Unfortunately that cousin now has Alzheimer's and is not >>available to answer questions. The rest of the family seems to have >>similar >>reactions to those of my father. Brother! I sure wish they'd get over >>the >>hang ups. They sure impede my research. >> >>Virginia in Seattle >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" >><bjreece@bellsouth.net> >>To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY >> >> >>>There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps >>>with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows >>>no >>>villages in what is now KY. >>> >>>I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It >>>was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open >>>the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were >>>abused. 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Thanks for the website, I'll check that out. Reverund Red Bird Smith of the Keetowah Society sounds familiar, but my memory is a little jumbled right now from a mild brain injury from my car accident. Everything is kind of a blur these days. ;) I just remember seeing a Red Bird the other day on a list when I was looking up my own Bird family. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:32:17 -0500 If we are going to re-hash the Chief REd Bird and Dr. Tankersley issue I'd just as soon take it off this list. It's been done to death and still no documentation has been provided to prove the theories. You can check the Brock/Red Bird PLUS the DNA projects at www.sekybrocks.com The Red Bird you folks are seeing on the western rolls is not the same person who is alleged to be in KY...couldn't be...not possible. Ever hear of Reverund Red Bird Smith of the Keetowah Society? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] >Hey anyone ever find census that have nothing listed for race for anyone on >the census? I keep finding these. > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:22:13 +0000 > >hehehe hi Harold, how you doin'. >I've heard of Chief Red Bird actually tripped across him on a list or >census the other day, Tehlequah as well. How did your search go? Were there >any snags, if so, how did you resolve them? > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Harold Young" <haroldyoung@columbus.rr.com> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:20:18 -0500 > >Osiyo Friends, > >I am new to the list, but I know that the Cherokees lived in Kentucky. My >ancestor, Chief Red Bird had village in Clay County, KY.His village was >called Tehlequah, the same as the Cherokee Nation, OK. Another of Red >Bird's descendants, my cousin, Dr. Ken Tankersley, who is head of Native >American studies at Northern Kentucky University is my source. I have found >3/16 Cherokee Blood so far. The ancestors in KY hid there to be able to >stay in their beloved eastern Mountains. Back before the 1700 hundreds >Kentucky was Virginia. In my home county Lawrence County, KY there was a >small village called Cherokee, and today it is stll called Cherokee, Ky. >For all this knowledge there is no charge. I work free! > > >Harold Young, A mixed blood Cherokee from Kentucky > > > > >>was born in Tennessee. He died in Missouri. Lucinda went on to remarry a >>Woodruff in Kentucky. Many of the children of William and Lucinda were >>born >>in Kentucky. I have some information, unfortunately not enough, to >>believe >>that William Duncan may have been NA. >>My father would not discuss any of this history with me. He would get >>upset >>when I asked questions. His mother, my grandmother, told me once as a >>young >>child when I was asking a lot of questions, to "leave the skeletons in the >>closet. I might find out something I didn't want to know." No one would >>talk about the history except that there was "an Indian in there >>somewhere". >>My cousin finally tracked the linage somehow and I got her information >>after >>my father died. Unfortunately that cousin now has Alzheimer's and is not >>available to answer questions. The rest of the family seems to have >>similar >>reactions to those of my father. Brother! I sure wish they'd get over >>the >>hang ups. They sure impede my research. >> >>Virginia in Seattle >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" >><bjreece@bellsouth.net> >>To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY >> >> >>>There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps >>>with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows >>>no >>>villages in what is now KY. >>> >>>I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It >>>was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open >>>the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were >>>abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. >>> >>>Joyce Gaston Reece >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> >>>To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM >>>Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY >>> >>> >>> > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >>> > >>> > Sherry >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >>> > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >>> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>> > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner > >>>below >>> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >>> > >>> > ============================== >>> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > >>>the >>> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: > >>>3/9/2006 >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >>> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >>> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>>ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >>> >>>============================== >>>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >>______________________________ > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. 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The BIRD family has some associations with the Emory/Hembree family....got several middle names of Bird....like Joel Bird in the group...It is said to be from the Bird family of NC Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] > Thanks for the website, I'll check that out. Reverund Red Bird Smith of > the