Fannin Co Ga, Murray Co GA Check at the maps at www.tngenweb.org Don't know in Alabama. A Walmart Atlas is very good but you can also google.earth. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Hey Joyce, do you know which websites to check out the current county > names for the lands that were NA lands in Georgia and Alabama? Or do you > have them? > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:39:34 -0500 > > Lindsey > > One of the best things you can do for yourself is to get a set of maps > that show the ever-shrinking treatly lines of the Cherokee. They had > on-agaiin-off-again wars with several other tribes that probably > determined hunting grounds. Many say that the original Cherokee Lands > consisted of moch of the southeastern US. The Creeks held lands along the > Mississippi, into Alabama and west TN. There were several other tribes > scattered throughout the region. Chickasaw, Yuchi, Lumbee, some Shawnee, > Catawba and others. You have to remember that the Cherokee often 'adopted' > people from other tribes....sometimes as slaves, sometimes as spouses, etc > so, in my opinion, an exact boundary line is difficult to pinpoint....land > was just land. > > Since we have no other sources we have to rely on what is recorded in > written ORIGINAL history and as far as I know little written history > exists before the intervention of the white man in the 1500's. Little to > nothing is known until 1690 when white explorers began entering Cherokee > country. > > I've never seen any written documentation that provides any evidence that > villages (as I said earlier) existed north of the Long Island of the > Holstein. It is debated whether or not Attakullakulla and Doublehead were > born there OR on the Long Island of the Tennessee (Now the Little > Tennessee). > > There was an exploratory trip taken in the 1690's from Virginia. (I'm not > gonna take time to look up the name but my memory says Abraham Miller > sponsored it and I could very well be wrong.) At any rate a journal was > kept by the gentlemen and they clearly state not seeing any Cherokee > villages until they arrived at the Overhill settlements. They had > traveled thru parts of KY and NE Tenn...writing about their journey. > > There are publications that have the journal of the Grant Expedition that > came into the Valley towns and the Overhills from South Carolina. One of > those being the Journal of Cherokee Studies available at > www.cherokeemuseum.com The Valley towns were where the area of Cherokee > County, North Carolina is now. Murphy sits exactly on one of those. The > Hiwassee and Valley rivers merge at Murphy just before entering the > Appalachain Mountains again. It doesn't emerge from the mts until it is > several miles downriver into Polk County, TN at the Savannah (Hiwassee) > villages...Hiwassee Old Town. The Hiwassee river, as well as the Ocoee > (where Nancy Ward and Cornelius Daugherty lived) was fairly heavily > populated with villages with John Jolly's Hiwassee Island sitting at the > mouth of the Hiwassee....where it merges into the 'big' Tennessee. It > wasn't that far a stretch for the Chickamauga villages to pop up in the > region around the Big Bend of the Tennessee (Chattanooga). Ross'es > Landing was on the Big Bend. > > The last lands inhabited by the remaining Cherokee just before the removal > was so small it was ridiculious. There were Indians scattered throughout > the region on land...their holdings or not. That was why you have heard > so much about Cherokee claiming to be Black Dutch, Black Irish or > Melungeon. They wanted to stay on their own lands. > > That last holding consisted of what is now Polk County, TN and parts of > Cherokee co NC, Bradley Co, TN, McMinn co tn, Hamilton Co TN...parts of > Georgia and Alabama. The agency was at Calhoun, McMinn Co., TN. > > The American State Papers are available online that gives MUCH info about > the treaties and negotiations. I've extracted those relating to the > Cherokee at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" > <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > > >>Actually if you could tell me all the places the old nation was, I'd >>appreciate it. I know where some of it was, but it's hard cause sometimes >>places on records are referred to as the states they are now, or "indian >>territory", or old nation. I think old nation was areas east of >>mississippi river, such as tennessee, mississippi, arkansas, but I'm not >>sure of exact areas in these places, and I know there were other places >>too. >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >>Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:41:46 -0500 >> >>If you get a current day map you will see the Little Tennessee River >>flowing from NC (heads up on Qualla Boundary) into east Tennessee. On >>this map you should see a dam on the river named Chilhowee. The village >>of Chilhowee stood very near that dam. Just down river from that was >>Citico then Chota. You can see an old map of the Grant Expedition of this >>area at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 I think it is behind the Records icon. >>I may have put it on the Polk site also www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Check >>out the biographies while you are there. >> >> >>Anytime you have questions concerning the geographical subject of the >>eastern Cherokee I can, probably, help. I've lived right 'amongst' them >>all my life. >> >> >> >>Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> >>==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. 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thanks Joyce! yeah, I'll check out trigenweb now, that sounds good, and I LOVE google.earth! I love looking up all the old ruins on there! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:35:22 -0500 Fannin Co Ga, Murray Co GA Check at the maps at www.tngenweb.org Don't know in Alabama. A Walmart Atlas is very good but you can also google.earth. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >Hey Joyce, do you know which websites to check out the current county names >for the lands that were NA lands in Georgia and Alabama? Or do you have >them? > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:39:34 -0500 > >Lindsey > >One of the best things you can do for yourself is to get a set of maps that >show the ever-shrinking treatly lines of the Cherokee. They had >on-agaiin-off-again wars with several other tribes that probably determined >hunting grounds. Many say that the original Cherokee Lands consisted of >moch of the southeastern US. The Creeks held lands along the Mississippi, >into Alabama and west TN. There were several other tribes scattered >throughout the region. Chickasaw, Yuchi, Lumbee, some Shawnee, Catawba and >others. You have to remember that the Cherokee often 'adopted' people from >other tribes....sometimes as slaves, sometimes as spouses, etc so, in my >opinion, an exact boundary line is difficult to pinpoint....land was just >land. > >Since we have no other sources we have to rely on what is recorded in >written ORIGINAL history and as far as I know little written history exists >before the intervention of the white man in the 1500's. Little to nothing >is known until 1690 when white explorers began entering Cherokee country. > >I've never seen any written documentation that provides any evidence that >villages (as I said earlier) existed north of the Long Island of the >Holstein. It is debated whether or not Attakullakulla and Doublehead were >born there OR on the Long Island of the Tennessee (Now the Little >Tennessee). > >There was an exploratory trip taken in the 1690's from Virginia. (I'm not >gonna take time to look up the name but my memory says Abraham Miller >sponsored it and I could very well be wrong.) At any rate a journal was >kept by the gentlemen and they clearly state not seeing any Cherokee >villages until they arrived at the Overhill settlements. They had traveled >thru parts of KY and NE Tenn...writing about their journey. > >There are publications that have the journal of the Grant Expedition that >came into the Valley towns and the Overhills from South Carolina. One of >those being the Journal of Cherokee Studies available at >www.cherokeemuseum.com The Valley towns were where the area of Cherokee >County, North Carolina is now. Murphy sits exactly on one of those. The >Hiwassee and Valley rivers merge at Murphy just before entering the >Appalachain Mountains again. It doesn't emerge from the mts until it is >several miles downriver into Polk County, TN at the Savannah (Hiwassee) >villages...Hiwassee Old Town. The Hiwassee river, as well as the Ocoee >(where Nancy Ward and Cornelius Daugherty lived) was fairly heavily >populated with villages with John Jolly's Hiwassee Island sitting at the >mouth of the Hiwassee....where it merges into the 'big' Tennessee. It >wasn't that far a stretch for the Chickamauga villages to pop up in the >region around the Big Bend of the Tennessee (Chattanooga). Ross'es Landing >was on the Big Bend. > >The last lands inhabited by the remaining Cherokee just before the removal >was so small it was ridiculious. There were Indians scattered throughout >the region on land...their holdings or not. That was why you have heard so >much about Cherokee claiming to be Black Dutch, Black Irish or Melungeon. >They wanted to stay on their own lands. > >That last holding consisted of what is now Polk County, TN and parts of >Cherokee co NC, Bradley Co, TN, McMinn co tn, Hamilton Co TN...parts of >Georgia and Alabama. The agency was at Calhoun, McMinn Co., TN. > >The American State Papers are available online that gives MUCH info about >the treaties and negotiations. I've extracted those relating to the >Cherokee at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk > > > > > > > >Joyce Gaston Reece >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" ><anathema_studio@hotmail.com> >To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > > >>Actually if you could tell me all the places the old nation was, I'd >>appreciate it. I know where some of it was, but it's hard cause sometimes >>places on records are referred to as the states they are now, or "indian >>territory", or old nation. I think old nation was areas east of >>mississippi river, such as tennessee, mississippi, arkansas, but I'm not >>sure of exact areas in these places, and I know there were other places >>too. >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >>Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:41:46 -0500 >> >>If you get a current day map you will see the Little Tennessee River >>flowing from NC (heads up on Qualla Boundary) into east Tennessee. On >>this map you should see a dam on the river named Chilhowee. The village >>of Chilhowee stood very near that dam. Just down river from that was >>Citico then Chota. You can see an old map of the Grant Expedition of this >>area at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 I think it is behind the Records icon. >>I may have put it on the Polk site also www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Check >>out the biographies while you are there. >> >> >>Anytime you have questions concerning the geographical subject of the >>eastern Cherokee I can, probably, help. I've lived right 'amongst' them >>all my life. >> >> >> >>Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> >>==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. 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