Lindsey, the paragraph where you mention the plumed serpent and feathered serpents sounds very similar to the "tales" or speeches given by one of our guides in the fall of 1967 about the 1300 & 1400 A.D. settling what is today central Mexico City. These early settlers were Incas, Mayas and Aztec whose predecessors came from the Russian area where the distance onto what is now Alaska is a very narrow point in the sea and they wandered all the way down thru what is now Canada, the United States and Mexico where they made their first permanent settlements and worshipped their Gods with sacrificial offerings of blood so that the moons would re-appear. Mexico City was founded on a "dry bed" of a lake where a serpent was found draped on a cactus- oh, it has been too many years ago to remember this story, its' just that your story sounds so similar. Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy > Hey Blue Panther, > Are you familiar with the story about Uktena? > Maybe you've already told it, I haven't been on the list too long. > > I did a master's thesis this past fall comparing the NA creation stories > to Japanese stories, and Sumerian/Babylonian stories. It was really > interesting how similiar all these stories from all over the world were. > I thought that Uktena was very similar to the Sumerian/Babylonian Tiamat. > Tiamat was "the fresh water" and she was the "mother of all". She has also > been described as the dragon of the void, that the mountains are her ribs, > that she was too huge to be seen since she was integrated into the earth. > And also many NA creation stories talk about the mound of creation. In > Japan they do this too, they say creation began at a mountain. In > Sumerian/Babylonian creation stories they say that the Creators were first > seen coming down from a mountain. > Also the Japanese agree with the NA belief that the world has been > destroyed 4 times prior and that we are in the fifth world. I'm sorry I'm > not sure if this is a predominant NA belief or just specific to South > America, much of my research was done on the Mexica, Inca, and Maya. > All of these places, from Japan, here, and the Sumer/Babylonia, which is > present day Iraq, all have created ziggurats symbolizing this mound of > creation, or (specifically in Babylon, the names of ziggurats translated > to things like "place where heaven touches earth"). > I also did some research on Quetzal-coatal (I'm sorry if this is spelled > wrong, I don't have my research in front of me, and it has been a little > while) and Cortez. For those who don't know, Quetzal-coatal was a great > leader in much of South America, long before it was called America. > Quetzal-coatal (which means "feathered serpent" or "plummed serpent"), > strangely, had a fair complexion and red hair. He was defeated after a > long rule by, if I remember correctly, one whose name translated to "the > Smoking Mirror". They say that Cortez was mistaken for Quetzal-coatal > because, when Quetzal-coatal was defeated, he left on a boat made of > serpents and headed east saying he would return. Cortez, of course had the > fair skin and redish hair, and arrived on a ship with a similar > description. > I often wonder if Quetzal-coatal wasn't perhaps Asian, due to his > description and the description of the ship he left on. Plus, if I > remember correctly, and forgive me if I don't, I think the stories said he > wasn't a native of this area, that he had come from somewhere else. > His description also matches Northlanders like the later Vikings. Now > Vikings kind of have gotten a bad rap over the years for being invaders > and "barbarians", but their discovering more and more evidence that the > Vikings came to attack other lands due to their own repression by other > lands. > > This is of course if you believe that the ancients all over the world had > the ability to travel across the ocean and such. I really don't believe > archaelogists give them enough credit. Just because we can't find ancient > ruins of WOODEN inventions and the like, doesn't mean that they hadn't > existed. I mean, come on, they're wooden. Anyhoo, there's my shpeel. > Thoughts? Comments? Questions? I'd love to pick your brains :) . > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Blue Panther" <blue_panther@otelco.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - > Passamaquoddy > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:13:07 -0600 > > Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy > > Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never > grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes > Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating > nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of > it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his > magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. > He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. > > Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and > women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating > them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first > squirrel, it was as big as a whale. > > "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and > the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're > too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. > > The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that > flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown > all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the > back, and it shrank to it's present size. > > The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked > altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in > its path -- forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," > Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the > moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become > smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and > with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should > be. > > Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything > they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women > were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished > their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as > Glooscap had made it. > > The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that > always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran > dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in > the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The > people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise > men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the > source of the spring to see why it had run dry. > > This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people > there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook > widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it > was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and > asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. > > "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and > feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for > himself." > > "Where is your chief?" asked the man. > > "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. > > The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he > trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one > stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the > whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it > up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream > bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking > mists covered it's slimy surface. > > The monster had a mile-wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His > dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body > was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. > > The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally > said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" > > The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far > down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water > for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, > please don't muddy it so much." > > The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: > Do as you please, > Do as you please, > I don't care, > I don't care, > If you want water, > If you want water, > Go elsewhere! > > The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." > > The monster replied: > I don't care, > I don't care, > Don't bother me, > Don't bother me, > Go away, > Go away, > Or I'll swallow you up! > > The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man > could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped > a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the > man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. > > Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we > complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people > were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. > > Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it > happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set > things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" > > Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as > red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge > clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a > hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings > around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look > ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war > cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge > mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made > himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. > > "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, > with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village > of the people with webbed hands and feet. > > "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They > brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner > water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I > want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." > > Ho! Ho! > Ho! Ho! > All the waters are mine! > All the waters are mine! > Go away! > Go away! > Or I'll kill you! > > "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" > > They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked > and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The > monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made > himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide > mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and > slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a > roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out > for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great > sea of the east. > > "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped > the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and > threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this > great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin > has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. > > Retold from nineteenth-century sources > > Reposted with Permission from Brother to Horse > >>From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories. > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Actually you're right on. Quetzal-coatl (feathered serpent) was worshipped by all those nations. Including the one that existed in, I forget the name now, but the translation was "city of the gods", in current mexico where the pyramid of the sun and pyramid of the moon are. this was prior to all the other nations, but the aztecs (mexica) picked up this god in their attempt to merge with other nations they conquered by including those other nations gods. But the sacrificial offerings were not his thing, that started while worshipping I think it was "the Smoking Mirror", cause one thing Quetzal-coatl had said in a story was that when he returned the sacrifices would stop cause he didn't want to be worshipped that way. The reasons they had for the sacrifices are actually kind of interesting, please forgive me for refering to death as interesting...but they believed that the world had been destroyed 4 times before, and that the sun we had this time was a god who'd sacrificed himself to become the sun, but that this sun was faulty. This sun needed assistance to complete his travel across the sky each day. So those mothers who died in childbirth, warriors who died in battle, and those sacrificed would help accompany the sun across the sky. Also this was their version of the christian idea of "heaven", more literally to go to the heaven or sky. Of course the people the aztecs conquered didn't feel the same way about it. ;) The aztecs did also end up building their city upon a lake because all the other nations ended up telling them to move on. And they picked the lake because the had a prophecy that the sign of the new home would be where they found an eagle with a snake in its beak. I heard about a year ago the New York Metro. Museum of Art held an exhibition on (mexica) Aztec art, but it seemed to me a bit out of place. They had all the sacrifical images and gods they worshipped set up in the cold, modern museum, completely out of context. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:24:00 -0600 Lindsey, the paragraph where you mention the plumed serpent and feathered serpents sounds very similar to the "tales" or speeches given by one of our guides in the fall of 1967 about the 1300 & 1400 A.D. settling what is today central Mexico City. These early settlers were Incas, Mayas and Aztec whose predecessors came from the Russian area where the distance onto what is now Alaska is a very narrow point in the sea and they wandered all the way down thru what is now Canada, the United States and Mexico where they made their first permanent settlements and worshipped their Gods with sacrificial offerings of blood so that the moons would re-appear. Mexico City was founded on a "dry bed" of a lake where a serpent was found draped on a cactus- oh, it has been too many years ago to remember this story, its' just that your story sounds so similar. Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy >Hey Blue Panther, >Are you familiar with the story about Uktena? >Maybe you've already told it, I haven't been on the list too long. > >I did a master's thesis this past fall comparing the NA creation stories to >Japanese stories, and Sumerian/Babylonian stories. It was really >interesting how similiar all these stories from all over the world were. >I thought that Uktena was very similar to the Sumerian/Babylonian Tiamat. >Tiamat was "the fresh water" and she was the "mother of all". She has also >been described as the dragon of the void, that the mountains are her ribs, >that she was too huge to be seen since she was integrated into the earth. >And also many NA creation stories talk about the mound of creation. In >Japan they do this too, they say creation began at a mountain. In >Sumerian/Babylonian creation stories they say that the Creators were first >seen coming down from a mountain. >Also the Japanese agree with the NA belief that the world has been >destroyed 4 times prior and that we are in the fifth world. I'm sorry I'm >not sure if this is a predominant NA belief or just specific to South >America, much of my research was done on the Mexica, Inca, and Maya. >All of these places, from Japan, here, and the Sumer/Babylonia, which is >present day Iraq, all have created ziggurats symbolizing this mound of >creation, or (specifically in Babylon, the names of ziggurats translated to >things like "place where heaven touches earth"). >I also did some research on Quetzal-coatal (I'm sorry if this is spelled >wrong, I don't have my research in front of me, and it has been a little >while) and Cortez. For those who don't know, Quetzal-coatal was a great >leader in much of South America, long before it was called America. >Quetzal-coatal (which means "feathered serpent" or "plummed serpent"), >strangely, had a fair complexion and red hair. He was defeated after a long >rule by, if I remember correctly, one whose name translated to "the Smoking >Mirror". They say that Cortez was mistaken for Quetzal-coatal because, when >Quetzal-coatal was defeated, he left on a boat made of serpents and headed >east saying he would return. Cortez, of course had the fair skin and redish >hair, and arrived on a ship with a similar description. >I often wonder if Quetzal-coatal wasn't perhaps Asian, due to his >description and the description of the ship he left on. Plus, if I remember >correctly, and forgive me if I don't, I think the stories said he wasn't a >native of this area, that he had come from somewhere else. >His description also matches Northlanders like the later Vikings. Now >Vikings kind of have gotten a bad rap over the years for being invaders and >"barbarians", but their discovering more and more evidence that the Vikings >came to attack other lands due to their own repression by other lands. > >This is of course if you believe that the ancients all over the world had >the ability to travel across the ocean and such. I really don't believe >archaelogists give them enough credit. Just because we can't find ancient >ruins of WOODEN inventions and the like, doesn't mean that they hadn't >existed. I mean, come on, they're wooden. Anyhoo, there's my shpeel. >Thoughts? Comments? Questions? I'd love to pick your brains :) . > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Blue Panther" <blue_panther@otelco.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - >Passamaquoddy >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:13:07 -0600 > >Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy > >Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never >grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap >gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, >instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. >Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic >white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. He >cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. > >Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and women >smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating them to >be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was >as big as a whale. > >"What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and >the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're >too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. > >The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that >flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown >all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the >back, and it shrank to it's present size. > >The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked >altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in >its path -- forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," >Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the >moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become >smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and >with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should >be. > >Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything >they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women >were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished >their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as >Glooscap had made it. > >The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that >always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; >only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the >fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The >people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise >men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source >of the spring to see why it had run dry. > >This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people >there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook >widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it >was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and >asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. > >"We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and >feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for >himself." > >"Where is your chief?" asked the man. > >"You must follow the brook further up," they told him. > >The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he >trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one >stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the whole >valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it up, so >that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And >he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists >covered it's slimy surface. > >The monster had a mile-wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His dull >yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was >bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. > >The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally >said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" > >The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far down-stream. >Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. >We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't >muddy it so much." > >The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: >Do as you please, >Do as you please, >I don't care, >I don't care, >If you want water, >If you want water, >Go elsewhere! > >The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." > >The monster replied: >I don't care, >I don't care, >Don't bother me, >Don't bother me, >Go away, >Go away, >Or I'll swallow you up! > >The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man >could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped >a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the >man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. > >Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we >complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people >were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. > >Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it >happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set >things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" > >Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red >as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for >his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white >eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes. >He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He >stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it >echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in >his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single >knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. > >"Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, >with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village of >the people with webbed hands and feet. > >"I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They >brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner >water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want >clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." > >Ho! Ho! >Ho! Ho! >All the waters are mine! >All the waters are mine! >Go away! >Go away! >Or I'll kill you! > >"Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" > >They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked >and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The >monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made >himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide >mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit >the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a >roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for >itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of >the east. > >"That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the >monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and >threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this >great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin >has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. > >Retold from nineteenth-century sources > >Reposted with Permission from Brother to Horse > >>From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories. > > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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