'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians as well as some Miquons. Hope this helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > Sherry

Delores THANK you so very much for a good post. It is few of our NA who so choose to enlighten us about the old ways and what you have learned from the old ones. Many of us researchers have to rely ONLY on what we can draw from certain resources and just wonder about the other half of the story. It takes some folks quite a while to realize that there is always more than one side to every door and every issue. Just one question though. Would Dragging Canoe have been the leader to tell Daniel Boone he could 'have' the land at Boonesborouh? If so it would explain some things to me in my research. You see, William Emory Jr is documented as having 2 encounters with Boone in KY. He is also known as Will or Capt Will. Capt Will was born 1744 and resided in the Overhills until at least 1762 when the first enounter is recorded with Boone. The second is recorded in 1772. When was Dragging Canoe supposed to have made this decision? He was a War Chief? Correct? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... > Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. > They > knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving > KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. > And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark > cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that > I > learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that > were > merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and > much > blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there > for > too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and > Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived > along > the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were > their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any > where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors > who > came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of > it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannacks and it's other > variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them > Sasquatch > because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the > north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. > They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the > record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the > whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if > those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it > knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not > curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes > around... > now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian > places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, > covered > up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and > business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One business man just > covered > the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the > bones > there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over > night > so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed > with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't > already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians > as > well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > >

thanks for the info two wolves dancing, that was really interesting. Any idea who the original people who cursed KY were? Do you think perhaps they may have moved on to South America, such as the Mexica (Aztecs)? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:49:51 -0500 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians as well as some Miquons. Hope this helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > Sherry ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx