Lindsey One of the best things you can do for yourself is to get a set of maps that show the ever-shrinking treatly lines of the Cherokee. They had on-agaiin-off-again wars with several other tribes that probably determined hunting grounds. Many say that the original Cherokee Lands consisted of moch of the southeastern US. The Creeks held lands along the Mississippi, into Alabama and west TN. There were several other tribes scattered throughout the region. Chickasaw, Yuchi, Lumbee, some Shawnee, Catawba and others. You have to remember that the Cherokee often 'adopted' people from other tribes....sometimes as slaves, sometimes as spouses, etc so, in my opinion, an exact boundary line is difficult to pinpoint....land was just land. Since we have no other sources we have to rely on what is recorded in written ORIGINAL history and as far as I know little written history exists before the intervention of the white man in the 1500's. Little to nothing is known until 1690 when white explorers began entering Cherokee country. I've never seen any written documentation that provides any evidence that villages (as I said earlier) existed north of the Long Island of the Holstein. It is debated whether or not Attakullakulla and Doublehead were born there OR on the Long Island of the Tennessee (Now the Little Tennessee). There was an exploratory trip taken in the 1690's from Virginia. (I'm not gonna take time to look up the name but my memory says Abraham Miller sponsored it and I could very well be wrong.) At any rate a journal was kept by the gentlemen and they clearly state not seeing any Cherokee villages until they arrived at the Overhill settlements. They had traveled thru parts of KY and NE Tenn...writing about their journey. There are publications that have the journal of the Grant Expedition that came into the Valley towns and the Overhills from South Carolina. One of those being the Journal of Cherokee Studies available at www.cherokeemuseum.com The Valley towns were where the area of Cherokee County, North Carolina is now. Murphy sits exactly on one of those. The Hiwassee and Valley rivers merge at Murphy just before entering the Appalachain Mountains again. It doesn't emerge from the mts until it is several miles downriver into Polk County, TN at the Savannah (Hiwassee) villages...Hiwassee Old Town. The Hiwassee river, as well as the Ocoee (where Nancy Ward and Cornelius Daugherty lived) was fairly heavily populated with villages with John Jolly's Hiwassee Island sitting at the mouth of the Hiwassee....where it merges into the 'big' Tennessee. It wasn't that far a stretch for the Chickamauga villages to pop up in the region around the Big Bend of the Tennessee (Chattanooga). Ross'es Landing was on the Big Bend. The last lands inhabited by the remaining Cherokee just before the removal was so small it was ridiculious. There were Indians scattered throughout the region on land...their holdings or not. That was why you have heard so much about Cherokee claiming to be Black Dutch, Black Irish or Melungeon. They wanted to stay on their own lands. That last holding consisted of what is now Polk County, TN and parts of Cherokee co NC, Bradley Co, TN, McMinn co tn, Hamilton Co TN...parts of Georgia and Alabama. The agency was at Calhoun, McMinn Co., TN. The American State Papers are available online that gives MUCH info about the treaties and negotiations. I've extracted those relating to the Cherokee at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Actually if you could tell me all the places the old nation was, I'd > appreciate it. I know where some of it was, but it's hard cause sometimes > places on records are referred to as the states they are now, or "indian > territory", or old nation. I think old nation was areas east of > mississippi river, such as tennessee, mississippi, arkansas, but I'm not > sure of exact areas in these places, and I know there were other places > too. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:41:46 -0500 > > If you get a current day map you will see the Little Tennessee River > flowing from NC (heads up on Qualla Boundary) into east Tennessee. On > this map you should see a dam on the river named Chilhowee. The village > of Chilhowee stood very near that dam. Just down river from that was > Citico then Chota. You can see an old map of the Grant Expedition of this > area at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 I think it is behind the Records icon. > I may have put it on the Polk site also www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Check > out the biographies while you are there. > > > Anytime you have questions concerning the geographical subject of the > eastern Cherokee I can, probably, help. I've lived right 'amongst' them > all my life. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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Hey Joyce, do you know which websites to check out the current county names for the lands that were NA lands in Georgia and Alabama? Or do you have them? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:39:34 -0500 Lindsey One of the best things you can do for yourself is to get a set of maps that show the ever-shrinking treatly lines of the Cherokee. They had on-agaiin-off-again wars with several other tribes that probably determined hunting grounds. Many say that the original Cherokee Lands consisted of moch of the southeastern US. The Creeks held lands along the Mississippi, into Alabama and west TN. There were several other tribes scattered throughout the region. Chickasaw, Yuchi, Lumbee, some Shawnee, Catawba and others. You have to remember that the Cherokee often 'adopted' people from other tribes....sometimes as slaves, sometimes as spouses, etc so, in my opinion, an exact boundary line is difficult to pinpoint....land was just land. Since we have no other sources we have to rely on what is recorded in written ORIGINAL history and as far as I know little written history exists before the intervention of the white man in the 1500's. Little to nothing is known until 1690 when white explorers began entering Cherokee country. I've never seen any written documentation that provides any evidence that villages (as I said earlier) existed north of the Long Island of the Holstein. It is debated whether or not Attakullakulla and Doublehead were born there OR on the Long Island of the Tennessee (Now the Little Tennessee). There was an exploratory trip taken in the 1690's from Virginia. (I'm not gonna take time to look up the name but my memory says Abraham Miller sponsored it and I could very well be wrong.) At any rate a journal was kept by the gentlemen and they clearly state not seeing any Cherokee villages until they arrived at the Overhill settlements. They had traveled thru parts of KY and NE Tenn...writing about their journey. There are publications that have the journal of the Grant Expedition that came into the Valley towns and the Overhills from South Carolina. One of those being the Journal of Cherokee Studies available at www.cherokeemuseum.com The Valley towns were where the area of Cherokee County, North Carolina is now. Murphy sits exactly on one of those. The Hiwassee and Valley rivers merge at Murphy just before entering the Appalachain Mountains again. It doesn't emerge from the mts until it is several miles downriver into Polk County, TN at the Savannah (Hiwassee) villages...Hiwassee Old Town. The Hiwassee river, as well as the Ocoee (where Nancy Ward and Cornelius Daugherty lived) was fairly heavily populated with villages with John Jolly's Hiwassee Island sitting at the mouth of the Hiwassee....where it merges into the 'big' Tennessee. It wasn't that far a stretch for the Chickamauga villages to pop up in the region around the Big Bend of the Tennessee (Chattanooga). Ross'es Landing was on the Big Bend. The last lands inhabited by the remaining Cherokee just before the removal was so small it was ridiculious. There were Indians scattered throughout the region on land...their holdings or not. That was why you have heard so much about Cherokee claiming to be Black Dutch, Black Irish or Melungeon. They wanted to stay on their own lands. That last holding consisted of what is now Polk County, TN and parts of Cherokee co NC, Bradley Co, TN, McMinn co tn, Hamilton Co TN...parts of Georgia and Alabama. The agency was at Calhoun, McMinn Co., TN. The American State Papers are available online that gives MUCH info about the treaties and negotiations. I've extracted those relating to the Cherokee at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >Actually if you could tell me all the places the old nation was, I'd >appreciate it. I know where some of it was, but it's hard cause sometimes >places on records are referred to as the states they are now, or "indian >territory", or old nation. I think old nation was areas east of mississippi >river, such as tennessee, mississippi, arkansas, but I'm not sure of exact >areas in these places, and I know there were other places too. > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:41:46 -0500 > >If you get a current day map you will see the Little Tennessee River >flowing from NC (heads up on Qualla Boundary) into east Tennessee. On this >map you should see a dam on the river named Chilhowee. The village of >Chilhowee stood very near that dam. Just down river from that was Citico >then Chota. You can see an old map of the Grant Expedition of this area at >www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 I think it is behind the Records icon. I may >have put it on the Polk site also www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Check out >the biographies while you are there. > > >Anytime you have questions concerning the geographical subject of the >eastern Cherokee I can, probably, help. I've lived right 'amongst' them >all my life. > > > >Joyce Gaston Reece > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx