Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, living in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very rough living. All too often people move into the area(s) and they do not understand the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just thought it was me that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't think so. Kentucky is very beautiful even if you have to look for that beauty at times. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians as well as some Miquons. Hope this helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > Sherry ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Sherry Kentucky is a beautiful state. It's much like Tennessee in that it has everything anyone might want to look at...the Mountains, the rolling hills...the flatlands and, thank goodness, no dessert *G*....except maybe on the tops of the mts where they've strip mined. My husband is 1/2 Brock (Reece) from Bell County. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, living > in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very rough living. > All too often people move into the area(s) and they do not understand > the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just thought it was me > that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't think so. Kentucky > is very beautiful even if you have to look for that beauty at times. > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in > the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that > KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to > Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, > that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud > over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I > learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that > were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature > and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not > live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The > Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because > they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees > and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees > protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected > any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) > warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and > other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and > Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including > Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. > Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and > Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a > few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set > the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it > to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something > like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't > want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." > Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes > around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not > in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old > villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing > developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One > business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case > someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the > builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to > get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and > bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians > as well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee > perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee > research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read > Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and > is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA > researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. > Unfortunately, it went both ways. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > >> Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >> Sherry > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the > links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. 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'Siyo Sherry. Hey, don't get me wrong here... I love Kentucky to visit and it is beautiful with its rolling hills. I have ancestors who lived and died there and still have very distant kin living there today. My kin lived not too far from what is now called Daniel Boone Forest there in London KY. My kin is mostly from Whitley, Wayne, and Knox counties... on the southern end near TN. If you met a RYAN... they are probably related to me and they are out of the Cherokee side coming from Oconostota. Well, the very tall Miquons hung out in KY for a while... and so did the somewhat shorter Shawnees. Shawnees were generally taller then the Cherokees and shorter then the Miquons. Me being only 5'4"... obviously take after mom's shortness, but looks come from dad's side. Dad took after his mom's side... the very tall ones and dad's pop was way, way short and took after his short Cherokee side. Go figure. Half of us 7 are on the shorter side and the other side approach 6'... and half are darker than the other half... like mom and dad. Funny how that goes. Unfortunately... it is Kentucky. I even heard it from the Indians that live there... that that was what they heard as kids and others shortly after they got there. I talked more about this in another posting... check it out. Hopefully this helps some too. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, living > in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very rough living. > All too often people move into the area(s) and they do not understand > the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just thought it was me > that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't think so. Kentucky > is very beautiful even if you have to look for that beauty at times. > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in > the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that > KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to > Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, > that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud > over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I > learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that > were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature > and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not > live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The > Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because > they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees > and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees > protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected > any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) > warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and > other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and > Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including > Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. > Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and > Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a > few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set > the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it > to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something > like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't > want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." > Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes > around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not > in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old > villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing > developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo/Settico is a prime example. One > business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case > someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the > builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to > get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and > bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians > as well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster

I live in Somerset, KY. It is about 40 minutes from London. About 20 from Wayne county. My Shelton and Williams were in London for a while. Whitley county isn't that far either. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:01 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks / KY 'Siyo Sherry. Hey, don't get me wrong here... I love Kentucky to visit and it is beautiful with its rolling hills. I have ancestors who lived and died there and still have very distant kin living there today. My kin lived not too far from what is now called Daniel Boone Forest there in London KY. My kin is mostly from Whitley, Wayne, and Knox counties... on the southern end near TN. If you met a RYAN... they are probably related to me and they are out of the Cherokee side coming from Oconostota. Well, the very tall Miquons hung out in KY for a while... and so did the somewhat shorter Shawnees. Shawnees were generally taller then the Cherokees and shorter then the Miquons. Me being only 5'4"... obviously take after mom's shortness, but looks come from dad's side. Dad took after his mom's side... the very tall ones and dad's pop was way, way short and took after his short Cherokee side. Go figure. Half of us 7 are on the shorter side and the other side approach 6'... and half are darker than the other half... like mom and dad. Funny how that goes. Unfortunately... it is Kentucky. I even heard it from the Indians that live there... that that was what they heard as kids and others shortly after they got there. I talked more about this in another posting... check it out. Hopefully this helps some too. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, > living in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very > rough living. All too often people move into the area(s) and they do > not understand the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just > thought it was me that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't > think so. Kentucky is very beautiful even if you have to look for that beauty at times. > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in > the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew > that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving > KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have > it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a > dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old > ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in > that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also > cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's > why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but > only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English > called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River > in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. > You will often find the Shawnees protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected > any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) > warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and > other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and > Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including > Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. > Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and > Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a > few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set > the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving > it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying > something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we > surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many > generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition > that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from > individuals, but not in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old > villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing > developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo/Settico is a prime example. > One business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in > case someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the > builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to > get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up > and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and > historians as well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx