Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) > 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO > CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not > remember that. > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > >> Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alli :) >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM >> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs >> >> Wow......fantastic experience. >> >> Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that >> experience. >> >> Thank you for sharing >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> >> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs >> >> Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are >> correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. >> >> I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I >> was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my >> outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, >> so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and >> maybe >> me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of >> our wild things. >> >> Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the >> ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called >> them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got >> home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny >> said oh, my! Oh, my! >> >> Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not >> learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I >> begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, >> many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house >> where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully >> expecting the baby to die overnight. >> >> To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you >> will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's >> and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. >> >> Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on >> my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who >> was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman >> explained >> about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not >> so >> good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by >> having such an outstanding bird sign. >> >> When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors >> know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out >> and about day-time. >> >> Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. >> >> Fran >> Chinquapin >> >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 > From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED > PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi > To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" > <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, > "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, > "indigenous_peoples_literature" > <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, > <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" > <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" > <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" > <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> > Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi > > Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also living. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went down to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in the spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with one another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. They again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the H?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap birds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap birds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got such things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave them to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of food which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi children to catch birds there, and after that! t! > ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe they are catching birds there still. > > Footnotes: > > Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). > > Abstract: > > HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. > > Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. They are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap birds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from Piv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After that, children from both villages always catch birds there > > Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, Anthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public domain? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to > CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 > *************************************** >
I need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly Foot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- From: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not remember that. Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Wow......fantastic experience. > > Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that > experience. > > Thank you for sharing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are > correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. > > I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I > was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my > outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, > so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and > maybe > me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of > our wild things. > > Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the > ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called > them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got > home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny > said oh, my! Oh, my! > > Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not > learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I > begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, > many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house > where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully > expecting the baby to die overnight. > > To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you > will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's > and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. > > Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on > my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who > was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman > explained > about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not > so > good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by > having such an outstanding bird sign. > > When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors > know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out > and about day-time. > > Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also iving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went own to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in he spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with ne another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. hey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the ?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap irds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap irds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got uch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave hem to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of ood which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi hildren to catch birds there, and after that! t! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe hey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. hey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap irds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from iv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After hat, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, nthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public omain? ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to HEROKEE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he email with no additional text. 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Not nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 I need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly Foot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- From: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not remember that. Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Wow......fantastic experience. > > Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that > experience. > > Thank you for sharing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are > correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. > > I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I > was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my > outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, > so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and > maybe > me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some > of > our wild things. > > Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the > ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called > them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got > home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny > said oh, my! Oh, my! > > Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not > learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I > begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, > many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house > where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully > expecting the baby to die overnight. > > To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you > will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about > Hooter's > and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. > > Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark > on > my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman > who > was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman > explained > about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not > so > good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by > having such an outstanding bird sign. > > When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors > know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out > and about day-time. > > Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also iving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went own to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in he spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with ne another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. hey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the ?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap irds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap irds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got uch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave hem to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of ood which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi hildren to catch birds there, and after that! t! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe hey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. hey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap irds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from iv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After hat, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, nthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public omain? ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to HEROKEE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he email with no additional text. 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