I don't think animal signs are limited to just Native Americans. They are more apt to understand the significance behind it & now that its been explained a bit of what the "sign" is, I should have figured it out. Just didn't make any sense to me at the time. Years ago, a Bald Eagle came to me in a "dream" & then shortly there after we moved to where we're currently living & I saw almost the exact same "sign" I had received in my "dreams" I've have seen the Bald eagle 3 times since being out here for 13 yrs. But we also have Hawks (Red Tail & Swanson's) And owls out here. We had an Owl come to a tree in our yard in the day time & stay. I told him to that he was welcome to stay around here as long as he/she left my chickens, baby goats & cats alone.....it could have all the snakes, mice & other rodents around the yard it wanted. It acknowledged me when I made a clicking/clucking noise (like you would to move a horse) & it came back of a night while I was out milking goats. Never noticed whether we lost any chickens to it & thankfully it never messed with my smallest goat (she wasn't much bigger then our barred Rock hens at the time) :) It was a beautiful great horned owl. Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:06 AM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to worship. Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the German male had received from a hawk. My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not know. And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? Thank you. Fran Chinquapin

Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think animal signs are limited to just Native Americans. > > They are more apt to understand the significance behind it & now that its > been explained a bit of what the "sign" is, I should have figured it out. > Just didn't make any sense to me at the time. > > Years ago, a Bald Eagle came to me in a "dream" & then shortly there after > we moved to where we're currently living & I saw almost the exact same > "sign" I had received in my "dreams" I've have seen the Bald eagle 3 times > since being out here for 13 yrs. > > But we also have Hawks (Red Tail & Swanson's) And owls out here. We had an > Owl come to a tree in our yard in the day time & stay. I told him to that > he > was welcome to stay around here as long as he/she left my chickens, baby > goats & cats alone.....it could have all the snakes, mice & other rodents > around the yard it wanted. > > It acknowledged me when I made a clicking/clucking noise (like you would to > move a horse) & it came back of a night while I was out milking goats. > > Never noticed whether we lost any chickens to it & thankfully it never > messed with my smallest goat (she wasn't much bigger then our barred Rock > hens at the time) :) > > It was a beautiful great horned owl. > > Alli :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:06 AM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try > again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any > animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for > that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, > water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams > that > bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird > or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, > that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and > regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. > > The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to > worship. > > Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a > human > need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could > sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of > any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person > approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did > not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of > German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was > quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in > detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the > German male had received from a hawk. > > My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is > the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related > their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of > encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not > know. > > And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign > represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >