Would you please tell us more about the "finds" in Monroe County? It sounds very interesting. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:43:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions > > The land CESSION would have been the Hiwassee Purchase or the Treaty of > 1817. This ceeded the land that is the section between the Little Tennessee > River on the north, the big Tennessee on the west, the Hiwassee on the south > and the NC line on the east. The surveyors did not survey the eastern line > correctly and left off several miles on the eastern line so part Monroe > remained in Cherokee hands until the Removal in 1838. Thus the reason for > the huge archealogical find in the form of Fort Armistead in eastern Monroe > Co. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Nancy McGinty" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:50 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions > > > 'Siyo > > > > Thanks for the reply, but I may have been asking for the wrong thing. > > There was an attempt to "civilize" or make citizens of some of the > > Cherokees in 1817. They had a choice to apply for 640 acres of land > > in Tennessee, Georgia and maybe Alabama and become US citizens or go > > to Arkansas. I will go to the National Archives in Georgia next week, > > but am not quite sure of how to look this up. Do you have any ideas > > on this? > > Nancy McG > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 'siyo, > >> > >> http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ > >> > >> Sgi, > >> > >> Nill > >> -=- > >> > >> Nancy McGinty wrote: > >>> Can anyone refer me to a place where I might read more about the land > >>> cessions of 1817. Were any of these lands around Knox county, TN? > >>> Nancy MCG > >>> ======*====== > >>> > >>> > >> ======*====== > >> List archives > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ======*====== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The story of Fort Armistead has been in several newspapers including the Knoxville Sentinal. The story is this: In 1817 a treaty was signed that ceded land that was, in part, to become McMinn and Monroe counties. The surveyor party was instructed to begin at Jolly's Island (now Hiwassee Island) at the mouth of the Hiwassee River, east to North Carolina state line following the river. When the surveyor party reached the Cherokee village of Savannah, which is where current day hwy 411 crosses the Hiwassee, they stopped at the village to ask for directions. The Ridge, who was named this because of his habit of traveling along a trail that ran the top of these mountains told them a different way to go, which they did. This trail left Savannah went up the end of Starr Mountain at Gee Creek, along the top of the mountain to White Cliff, off the mountain to Rural Vale (all modern day place names), on to the area just near the Unicoi Gap, back up the mountains to the Indian Boundary (now the camping area), off the end of Flats Mtn down to Citico Creek then down this creek to the mouth where it enters the Little Tennessee. This surveyor error left a swath of land that varied in width of apx 8 to 25 miles between the survey line and the NC state line. Because of this many Cherokee families who resided in this area were left where they were until the Removal in 1838. Fort Armistead, which shows on the 1820-30 section map of the Hiwassee District/Monroe County, was a small village and supply point for the Cherokee until the Removal began, then it acted as a gathering point for families headed west. After the Removal the family who owned the land paid little attention to the village and it's future historical significance but did maintain its integrity. Now, within the last 2 years the integrity of the site is still intact and in the hands of the Cherokee National Forest. The site is being guarded with the intensity it deserves and big plans are in the works for it. A visitors center is planned adjacent to the village site. Some excavations are being done but in the most part it is more guarded than anything else. Anyone who enters the area has to be cleared thru security. Chad Smith recently paid a visit to the site. It is said to be the best preserved village of its kind in the world. Thank goodness it is in a place where it will never be flooded by a TVA impoundment like the Overhill Villages often were...such as Chota, Tenasi, Citico and many others. Historians of this area, especially those of us interested in the Cherokee aspect of this areas history have been overjoyed with this find. Monroe County Archivist, Nelle Jo Stakely had a big hand in helping the archeologist do the the historical research on this. I hope I'm not pushing things too much to say that she and I discussed and researched the above stated aspects concerning Fort Armistead and how it all came to be. Joyce Gaston Reece -------------------------------------------------- From: "myra reidy" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:17 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions > > > Would you please tell us more about the "finds" in Monroe County? It > sounds very interesting. > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:43:58 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >> >> The land CESSION would have been the Hiwassee Purchase or the Treaty of >> 1817. This ceeded the land that is the section between the Little >> Tennessee >> River on the north, the big Tennessee on the west, the Hiwassee on the >> south >> and the NC line on the east. The surveyors did not survey the eastern >> line >> correctly and left off several miles on the eastern line so part Monroe >> remained in Cherokee hands until the Removal in 1838. Thus the reason for >> the huge archealogical find in the form of Fort Armistead in eastern >> Monroe >> Co. >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Nancy McGinty" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:50 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >> >> > 'Siyo >> > >> > Thanks for the reply, but I may have been asking for the wrong thing. >> > There was an attempt to "civilize" or make citizens of some of the >> > Cherokees in 1817. They had a choice to apply for 640 acres of land >> > in Tennessee, Georgia and maybe Alabama and become US citizens or go >> > to Arkansas. I will go to the National Archives in Georgia next week, >> > but am not quite sure of how to look this up. Do you have any ideas >> > on this? >> > Nancy McG >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bill <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> 'siyo, >> >> >> >> http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ >> >> >> >> Sgi, >> >> >> >> Nill >> >> -=- >> >> >> >> Nancy McGinty wrote: >> >>> Can anyone refer me to a place where I might read more about the land >> >>> cessions of 1817. Were any of these lands around Knox county, TN? >> >>> Nancy MCG >> >>> ======*====== >> >>> >> >>> >> >> ======*====== >> >> List archives >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > ======*====== >> > List archives >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joyce, Thanks so much for this information. I am going to forward you a link to a webpage that I have been looking at. It refers to the 640 acres experiment. Nancy McG On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Joyce G. Reece <[email protected]> wrote: > The story of Fort Armistead has been in several newspapers including the > Knoxville Sentinal. > > The story is this: > > In 1817 a treaty was signed that ceded land that was, in part, to become > McMinn and Monroe counties. The surveyor party was instructed to begin at > Jolly's Island (now Hiwassee Island) at the mouth of the Hiwassee River, > east to North Carolina state line following the river. When the surveyor > party reached the Cherokee village of Savannah, which is where current day > hwy 411 crosses the Hiwassee, they stopped at the village to ask for > directions. The Ridge, who was named this because of his habit of traveling > along a trail that ran the top of these mountains told them a different way > to go, which they did. This trail left Savannah went up the end of Starr > Mountain at Gee Creek, along the top of the mountain to White Cliff, off > the mountain to Rural Vale (all modern day place names), on to the area just > near the Unicoi Gap, back up the mountains to the Indian Boundary (now the > camping area), off the end of Flats Mtn down to Citico Creek then down this > creek to the mouth where it enters the Little Tennessee. This surveyor > error left a swath of land that varied in width of apx 8 to 25 miles between > the survey line and the NC state line. Because of this many Cherokee > families who resided in this area were left where they were until the > Removal in 1838. > > Fort Armistead, which shows on the 1820-30 section map of the Hiwassee > District/Monroe County, was a small village and supply point for the > Cherokee until the Removal began, then it acted as a gathering point for > families headed west. After the Removal the family who owned the land paid > little attention to the village and it's future historical significance but > did maintain its integrity. Now, within the last 2 years the integrity of > the site is still intact and in the hands of the Cherokee National Forest. > The site is being guarded with the intensity it deserves and big plans are > in the works for it. A visitors center is planned adjacent to the village > site. Some excavations are being done but in the most part it is more > guarded than anything else. Anyone who enters the area has to be cleared > thru security. Chad Smith recently paid a visit to the site. It is said > to be the best preserved village of its kind in the world. Thank goodness > it is in a place where it will never be flooded by a TVA impoundment like > the Overhill Villages often were...such as Chota, Tenasi, Citico and many > others. > > Historians of this area, especially those of us interested in the Cherokee > aspect of this areas history have been overjoyed with this find. Monroe > County Archivist, Nelle Jo Stakely had a big hand in helping the > archeologist do the the historical research on this. I hope I'm not pushing > things too much to say that she and I discussed and researched the above > stated aspects concerning Fort Armistead and how it all came to be. > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "myra reidy" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:17 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions > >> >> >> Would you please tell us more about the "finds" in Monroe County? It >> sounds very interesting. >> >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:43:58 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >>> >>> The land CESSION would have been the Hiwassee Purchase or the Treaty of >>> 1817. This ceeded the land that is the section between the Little >>> Tennessee >>> River on the north, the big Tennessee on the west, the Hiwassee on the >>> south >>> and the NC line on the east. The surveyors did not survey the eastern >>> line >>> correctly and left off several miles on the eastern line so part Monroe >>> remained in Cherokee hands until the Removal in 1838. Thus the reason for >>> the huge archealogical find in the form of Fort Armistead in eastern >>> Monroe >>> Co. >>> >>> Joyce Gaston Reece >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Nancy McGinty" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:50 AM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >>> >>> > 'Siyo >>> > >>> > Thanks for the reply, but I may have been asking for the wrong thing. >>> > There was an attempt to "civilize" or make citizens of some of the >>> > Cherokees in 1817. They had a choice to apply for 640 acres of land >>> > in Tennessee, Georgia and maybe Alabama and become US citizens or go >>> > to Arkansas. I will go to the National Archives in Georgia next week, >>> > but am not quite sure of how to look this up. Do you have any ideas >>> > on this? >>> > Nancy McG >>> > >>> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bill <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> 'siyo, >>> >> >>> >> http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ >>> >> >>> >> Sgi, >>> >> >>> >> Nill >>> >> -=- >>> >> >>> >> Nancy McGinty wrote: >>> >>> Can anyone refer me to a place where I might read more about the land >>> >>> cessions of 1817. Were any of these lands around Knox county, TN? >>> >>> Nancy MCG >>> >>> ======*====== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ======*====== >>> >> List archives >>> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> > >>> > ======*====== >>> > List archives >>> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ======*====== >>> List archives >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Nancy, Could you post this 640 land experiment site for all of us to see. Thank you, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy McGinty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions Joyce, Thanks so much for this information. I am going to forward you a link to a webpage that I have been looking at. It refers to the 640 acres experiment. Nancy McG On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Joyce G. Reece <[email protected]> wrote: > The story of Fort Armistead has been in several newspapers including the > Knoxville Sentinal. > > The story is this: > > In 1817 a treaty was signed that ceded land that was, in part, to become > McMinn and Monroe counties. The surveyor party was instructed to begin at > Jolly's Island (now Hiwassee Island) at the mouth of the Hiwassee River, > east to North Carolina state line following the river. When the surveyor > party reached the Cherokee village of Savannah, which is where current day > hwy 411 crosses the Hiwassee, they stopped at the village to ask for > directions. The Ridge, who was named this because of his habit of traveling > along a trail that ran the top of these mountains told them a different way > to go, which they did. This trail left Savannah went up the end of Starr > Mountain at Gee Creek, along the top of the mountain to White Cliff, off > the mountain to Rural Vale (all modern day place names), on to the area just > near the Unicoi Gap, back up the mountains to the Indian Boundary (now the > camping area), off the end of Flats Mtn down to Citico Creek then down this > creek to the mouth where it enters the Little Tennessee. This surveyor > error left a swath of land that varied in width of apx 8 to 25 miles between > the survey line and the NC state line. Because of this many Cherokee > families who resided in this area were left where they were until the > Removal in 1838. > > Fort Armistead, which shows on the 1820-30 section map of the Hiwassee > District/Monroe County, was a small village and supply point for the > Cherokee until the Removal began, then it acted as a gathering point for > families headed west. After the Removal the family who owned the land paid > little attention to the village and it's future historical significance but > did maintain its integrity. Now, within the last 2 years the integrity of > the site is still intact and in the hands of the Cherokee National Forest. > The site is being guarded with the intensity it deserves and big plans are > in the works for it. A visitors center is planned adjacent to the village > site. Some excavations are being done but in the most part it is more > guarded than anything else. Anyone who enters the area has to be cleared > thru security. Chad Smith recently paid a visit to the site. It is said > to be the best preserved village of its kind in the world. Thank goodness > it is in a place where it will never be flooded by a TVA impoundment like > the Overhill Villages often were...such as Chota, Tenasi, Citico and many > others. > > Historians of this area, especially those of us interested in the Cherokee > aspect of this areas history have been overjoyed with this find. Monroe > County Archivist, Nelle Jo Stakely had a big hand in helping the > archeologist do the the historical research on this. I hope I'm not pushing > things too much to say that she and I discussed and researched the above > stated aspects concerning Fort Armistead and how it all came to be. > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "myra reidy" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:17 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions > >> >> >> Would you please tell us more about the "finds" in Monroe County? It >> sounds very interesting. >> >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:43:58 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >>> >>> The land CESSION would have been the Hiwassee Purchase or the Treaty of >>> 1817. This ceeded the land that is the section between the Little >>> Tennessee >>> River on the north, the big Tennessee on the west, the Hiwassee on the >>> south >>> and the NC line on the east. The surveyors did not survey the eastern >>> line >>> correctly and left off several miles on the eastern line so part Monroe >>> remained in Cherokee hands until the Removal in 1838. Thus the reason for >>> the huge archealogical find in the form of Fort Armistead in eastern >>> Monroe >>> Co. >>> >>> Joyce Gaston Reece >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Nancy McGinty" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:50 AM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] land cessions >>> >>> > 'Siyo >>> > >>> > Thanks for the reply, but I may have been asking for the wrong thing. >>> > There was an attempt to "civilize" or make citizens of some of the >>> > Cherokees in 1817. They had a choice to apply for 640 acres of land >>> > in Tennessee, Georgia and maybe Alabama and become US citizens or go >>> > to Arkansas. I will go to the National Archives in Georgia next week, >>> > but am not quite sure of how to look this up. Do you have any ideas >>> > on this? >>> > Nancy McG >>> > >>> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bill <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> 'siyo, >>> >> >>> >> http://www.tngenweb.org/cessions/ >>> >> >>> >> Sgi, >>> >> >>> >> Nill >>> >> -=- >>> >> >>> >> Nancy McGinty wrote: >>> >>> Can anyone refer me to a place where I might read more about the land >>> >>> cessions of 1817. Were any of these lands around Knox county, TN? >>> >>> Nancy MCG >>> >>> ======*====== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ======*====== >>> >> List archives >>> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> >> ------------------------------- >>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>> > >>> > ======*====== >>> > List archives >>> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ======*====== >>> List archives >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message