In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:30:50 PM Central Standard Time, NORMADREW@webtv.net writes: Barbara, I'll retire in 2 more years. I'll miss the customers but I won't miss the work.Retirement will give me more time to do the things I love the best. I enjoy rambling around looking for treasures, fishing, doing crafts and going to pow-wows. WES-Norma ========================== Norma, You will wonder how you worked and did all you do now or I do. I thought I would paint on my ceramic, get the house just like I wanted, etc, but I got into doing genealogy and love doing that. Then came the PC and then my son ended up in a divorce with three children and now at 65+ I meet my self wondering how I will ever get anything done. LOL I sure wish I had asked more questions when my grandparents were alive, but with this wonderful list I am learning. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Yes the woman was the powerful one and her clan==they could change the chiefs mind very easy==almost a snap of the finger==Remember the one that made the clothes=the one that done the cooking==the one that done the garden==most of all think of the one that had the kids the most valuable part of the tribe Don't even think about crossing the clan==the chiefs never did SHADOW BEAR

I see you conveniently removed YOUR portion of the message. How come whenever someone disagrees with you, you have a cow? Yes I changed the subject line to "whatever" so you dont see as you always do that everything is a personal attack! You can make statements and no one else can? You can say whatever youwant and everyone else is on a Gag order! At your convenience you can check the archives and see any arguments that were on this list were involving you. Stop reading into things that just arent there. I only made a simple statement in ref to a message from Shadow bear. I didnt write to argue. Its not like I said to YOU "Dont you have a field to plow or something to feed in the barn or some cows to milk" I only added my thoughts. I thought this was everyones list not Alli's list. YOU are DISMISSED! Delorra ....................................... In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:46:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> writes: > I know who the Indian Artifacts belong to.......they belong to the specific >tribe that was located in the area of those artifacts......but not to >Indians in general. > >And since your TOTALLY missing my message or what I stated......the current >subject title fits very well right now > >And the original subject/topic is being dropped by me because > >the tone I'm getting from the message below is leading into an argument, >which I'm not going to get into. > >Good night all >Alli >> Technically, whatever is on your property belongs to you. >> Personally I didnt say you said anyone was obligated. The message was to Shadow bear. >> More importantly Indian artifacts belong to Indians. >> Delorra >

I hope I don't make everyone mad==I answer every letter==just sometimes I forget to write the answers SHADOW BEAR

Delorra==You are right to your thoughts and you not have to defend them==I just put my thoughts here and if my people don't like them ==do as I do go to next letter==I justdon't like arguements==this is just my thoughts SHADOW BEAR

Many of you know this better than me==if the clan would approve of the man ==after a short ceremony he would then move in==all he had to do is make sure his family kept warm ==make sure there was food==if he didn't do this all wife had to do was put his clothes out ==he could not come back==he was not part of the family anymore==the clan made most of the rules and crossing them was not a good thing some times a warrior would get killed he's widow would move in with the man and his family and then he would have two wife SHADOW BEAR

One of the reasons we didn't have horses where we lived ==it was before we knew about iron horseshoes ==what we done was wrap the horses feet with raw hide==if you ever seen a wild horse the hoofs are bad looking==looks bad enough a horse someone told it is posible to trim those hoofs==those hoofs aregrowing to the side some time the horse might not walk again SHADOW BEAR

Barb, I think the Cherokee women were the heads of households and the men went to live in the women's home. I don't think think that would have happened. Kirby was also Indian, and I think the daughters and the father highly respected him. I wish I knew more, and I will probably never know. Julia

In a message dated 1/6/2006 11:56:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com writes: have a question. Did the Indians sometimes have more than one wife?yes Did a woman have more than one husband? not usually not at same time ======================================================= Very interesting answers. THank you. One from me please. Did the White men try to buy the women of the tribes?? Barb sc

I have a question. Did the Indians sometimes have more than one wife?yes Did a woman have more than one husband? not usually not at same time Did they pick their spouse or did parents pick the spouse? some times but either way man had to have many pony's for bride

In a message dated 1/6/2006 11:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, luckeytonya@atlanticbb.net writes: Hi Barb, Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? How old are your children? I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate winter time. I love summer time. Tonya =============================================================== Hi Tonya Naw, he hasn't it's been some years now. Just me and the kids. You sound some like me. I have 2 natural kids One is still in Calif. One last year moved to Washington State from Calif. They each have 3 kids and my boy has one on the way. I have two children here in South Carolina with me. They are physically my sisters kids but I adopted them both when they were born. The girl is 19 and the boy 17. I don't really like winter much but I do like to watch and hear the snow fall. I love Spring here in South Carolina it is an explosion of color and smells.Calif was not much of anything in Spring except a bunch of kids at the beach. When I was young I use to love the smell of orange trees and eucalyptis treees in Southern Calif. But, those are long gone replaced my the smell of Asphalt, Gasoline, and gun powder. This place here in South Carolina is where I want to pass when the day comes. Barb SC

Tonya, In my family, Edmund Kirby married General William B Shepherd's daughter in North Carolina. Our family believed that the General was given two daughters of a chief before the Revolution and they were both married to him in an Indian ceremony during the Indian War. . He took them and the children to Virginia, but went back to North Carolina. James Kirby, wealthy oil and lumber baron, was one of their ? children. Sounds like good blood! Julia, P.S. The Kirbys were also Indian. If anyone is related, Jesse,Frank, Edmund Jr.,Henry, James, John, and two girls, Patsy and Sarah. JK

Hi Barb, Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? How old are your children? I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate winter time. I love summer time. Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Fwd: Hobby > In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com writes: > If I go out for a walk when they are not hibernating I will see at least one > so I feel like I attract them. I am terrified of them Ruth > ============================================================== > A couple of years ago during a really bad storm my roof caved in. About > 1/2 of the house had to be rebuilt. Anyway, near the end of the building my > husband left........... Left. > So, the house didn't get put back completly, base board etc not put on. > So, about 5 months ago my daughter was walking down the hall and thought she > saw a large yarn piece on the floor, She looked again, it was a snake. A baby > snake, scared the h l out of her and me. When we tried to get it even as > small as it was it struck out. We finally, got it out of the house. She made > sure it didn't get hurt. She, is like me that way even if it is a snake she > doesn't want anything living hurt. > > Barb sc > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Well, its past my bed time, past my boys' bed time. So I'm off here for the night........got a mess to clean up in the morning. Good night all ;) Alli

Yeah you've probably got me figured out. I am young (35) busy w/my munchkin's, animals, genealogy, helping my mom figure her computer out, trying to get my home businesses going so I can stay home but bring in money to help hubby out financially (I don't like "not" working),home school my oldest son while "play" school w/my middle one. And definitely wanting to gain more knowledge about the Cherokee People as a whole while also trying to figure out my family heritage as well.........not an easy task when your heritage was never passed down thru the generations :( And I think you nailed Dan too. Alli :) > =============================================================== > I think, Alli, is young, very busy, loves her children very > much, > hungry and so very thirsty for knoweldge, it is hard I think for her to > persue > both as she would like. > Dan, I think is a nice man, maybe a teacher once. Patient (most > of > the time) really enjoys study and more enjoys shareing what he learns. > But, > he thinks folks should read, and learn not just have it handed to them. > Shadow Bear, What can be said of Shadow Bear. Maybe the pureist > soul I have ever incounterd. Wise even beyond his years. A love for life > and > his people beyond measure. > > Barb SC > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Barb, I agree, very well said. Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] This List > In a message dated 1/6/2006 3:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: > There is a lot of very nice people on this list==please just because we > are not talking much right now don't even think of leaving we need you > very much==I call this place my family==first thing I do in the morning > is read my family and what they have done while I sleep > > SHADOW BEAR > > =============================================================== > I too Shadow Bear > I read in the mornings before work. Sometimes I bring you all > to work with me. > So, I can read at lunch. Or if the bosses leave for awhile. > When I come home, I log on an leave the board open while I fix > dinner, I can hear if a message come. > Maybe, this is bad. > I really enjoy reading from everyone. > Shadow said in another post, he thinks much of everyone here. > I think, Barbara from Oklahoma is much like her name, friendly, > calm, happy. > I think, Alli, is young, very busy, loves her children very much, > hungry and so very thirsty for knoweldge, it is hard I think for her to persue > both as she would like. > Dan, I think is a nice man, maybe a teacher once. Patient (most of > the time) really enjoys study and more enjoys shareing what he learns. But, > he thinks folks should read, and learn not just have it handed to them. > Shadow Bear, What can be said of Shadow Bear. Maybe the pureist > soul I have ever incounterd. Wise even beyond his years. A love for life and > his people beyond measure. > > Barb SC > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hey Tonya, We just ate at the Golden Corral here in Idaho. Its apparently become my hubby's favorite place :) I tried their hamburgers.......not impressed but love the rest of the food I eat. :) Alli > Hi Barb, > Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? > How > old are your children? > I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. > I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate > winter > time. I love summer time. > > Tonya

Hi Shadowbear, I sometimes think of leaving the list, because of so many emails, to read through, only because that is all I get done doing instead of housework, as I also work full time and have 5 grandchildren that I like to babysit as much as possible. But I am like you, and I enjoy everyone on the list, and I feel honored to be thought of like family by you Shadowbear. Thank you, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] This List > There is a lot of very nice people on this list==please just because we > are not talking much right now don't even think of leaving we need you > very much==I call this place my family==first thing I do in the morning > is read my family and what they have done while I sleep > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi all, I have a question. Did the Indians sometimes have more than one wife? Did a woman have more than one husband? Did they pick their spouse or did parents pick the spouse? Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > Think someone should bring up a new topic and my mind went on vacation and > didn't take me.Blue Panther thanx so much for keeping the wonderful stories > coming. I am willing to give this list a try but this room is echoing it's so > empty.Hope everyone is having a good day. Snow flurries here in the beautiful > mountains of WV Ruth > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

my goodness I like the sound of that lol Ruth