I apologize for those on Digest or w/small inboxes like myself for the long below message. :) Alli DeLorra, I truly don't know what your issues are about my message, but the only one having a cow about anything is you. Dan has repeatedly asked that we snip/cut/eliminate all excess parts of the messages that are no longer important. My message is no longer important & I wasn't answering my own message I was answering yours LOL I fail to see how I take every message as a personal attack........your behavior is interesting oddly close to another individual I know who takes any message not siding w/them as negative & tries to spin a persons message as a negative one & attacks them......Hmmm Interesting Now....back to the original message........... (now Dan & Other's forgive me for this LONG message....but don't wanna be accused of dodging or lying or anything else again) Here is my ORIGINAL message to ShadowBear..... From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hobby > Aren't you suppose to report a "site" where you find "Indian artifacts" to > document the location & such? Can't you get in trouble for removing this > stuff. > The only reason I am asking is a guy who owned/owns a local museum got > into > some serious trouble by gathering arrow heads & such, even got items that > he's had since he was a kid confiscated from the Fed.'s. > > just curious :) > Alli IF you read it or read it again. I was ASKING if wasn't he (actually anyone in general) suppose to report the "findings". As that's what I've always heard that is suppose to be happening, even though no one or very few do. Shadow Bear explained later that he has in the past reported such things, but they didn't care & he didn't want them ended up in a warehouse......that's a basic summary. (Shadow Bear if this isn't any where close to what you said or meant.....sorry for misinterpreting your message. Now the subject line changed to "Alli--your right" which here is the whole message including Shadow Bear's below my response: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > I gotta laugh at the subject line.........its a bit scary to see my name > connected to "your right". I had to find the original message to see what > I > did LOL (laughing) > Well, I'm not too worried about it being reported to the Feds or who ever > its suppose to be. I'm thinking more of the info. being passed down to the > family members so they have the info. of when & where it was found, what > tribe (if different from the Cherokee Tribe) that it may belong to. Many > generations from now they may not have been told where you found the > artifacts. > I don't want to see any more Indian property end up in a > warehouse.....trust > me > Alli :) > > >> we use to call them every time we found a site==once in a while they >> would come out==most of the time they never came ==if they ever take >> this stuff it ends up in a warehouse some where never to be seen >> again==Now we don't bother them==we show these things they never >> do==besides this stuff belongs to my family==not some one running a >> warehouse==I know where the gov. road is back by Mountain Grove==called >> them telling them all about it ==this is where the Trail Of Tears went >> thru no one every showed up==they don't care all they do is talk Which as you can see I gave a summary above this message about what he said here above.......wasn't too far off based on this message. As you can see I was talking about still writing the info. about when & where the artifacts were located so he could pass this information (history) down in his family & hopefully the artifacts & information of where it was found (& when so they'd know exactly how old it was at this point) would be shared throughout his family & more history wouldn't be lost. Then here's my reply to you......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > Technically its illegal to dig up or even remove Indian artifacts w/o > documenting the location,etc. I didn't say it was right.....but its the > law. > Many people find Indian burial sites or living locations dig up or find > them > above ground & then turn around & sell them. which is more than likely how > they ended up in France. > > Personally I didn't say he was obligated.......at least not to the > government, but the info. of where the artifacts were located & when > should > be written down & kept w/the artifacts for his descendents in later years > to be shared the history w/. > > Alli :) > >> Besides Shadow bear you are Indian and not only does most of it belong to >> your family you are entitled to have Indian artifacts. When they collect >> things who knows where they will end up. I spoke to a friend of mine the >> other day and she has a friend in France who knows of a shoplace or >> something maybe a museum that has loads of American Indian things. What >> right did whoever gave it to them to ever take it out of the country. So >> if I were you I wouldnt tell anyone anything and I feel you have no >> obligation to do so. You can seek on your own amongst the Indiand to find >> so owners but I wouldnt turn them over to anyone less than their owners. >> >> Many peolle find things on their property and I never heard of them >> trying >> to turn everything over to anyone. Besides you tried. >> Just my thoughts. >> Delorra **********************8 As you have apparently missed.......I was agreeing w/what you said even though digging up artifacts is against the law.......I didn't write the law, don't agree w/it. But its there. But as I stated several times now......I'm not concerned w/the Fed.'s knowing what he found & where, because he's tried in the past & found it a waste of time, because as he stated they don't truly care. My concern is more history lost to the next generations because anything even as little as finding an Arrow Head some where is never documented to be passed down later. I also explained (like that was needed) how the American Indian stuff ended up in France.......people sell things on Ebay all the time that deal w/such things, as well as individually. Don't see where we had a disagreement issue in the above message. Then below is w/the current subject line...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] whatever > I know who the Indian Artifacts belong to.......they belong to the > specific > tribe that was located in the area of those artifacts......but not to > Indians in general. > > And since your TOTALLY missing my message or what I stated......the > current > subject title fits very well right now > > And the original subject/topic is being dropped by me because > > the tone I'm getting from the message below is leading into an argument, > which I'm not going to get into. > > Good night all > Alli >> Technically, whatever is on your property belongs to you. >> Personally I didnt say you said anyone was obligated. The message was ro >> Shadow bear. >> MOre importantly Indian artifacts belong to Indians. >> Delorra ************************* Which is where your tone appeared to get testy. And it has lead to you getting more rude (as that's how I am seeing the messages appear now) & as I said I am not going to get into a argument w/you. I haven't disagreed w/anything that you've stated up until your new message below. > ....................................... > In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:46:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Alli" > <iamcheroke@filertel.com> writes: > >> I know who the Indian Artifacts belong to.......they belong to the >> specific >>tribe that was located in the area of those artifacts......but not to >>Indians in general. >> >>And since your TOTALLY missing my message or what I stated......the >>current >>subject title fits very well right now >> >>And the original subject/topic is being dropped by me because >> >>the tone I'm getting from the message below is leading into an argument, >>which I'm not going to get into. >> >>Good night all >>Alli >>> Technically, whatever is on your property belongs to you. >>> Personally I didnt say you said anyone was obligated. The message was to >>> Shadow bear. >>> More importantly Indian artifacts belong to Indians. >>> Delorra Now I will address your message below.......... Where do you get that No one else can make statements? Have you or anyone else ever been stopped at making one? If so please show me the message that was never allowed to be sent thru. I have been on this list for what??? 8 years now. I have never seen or heard of anyone being prevented from ever making a statement unless it was a flat out attack on someone either as a threat or bodily harm or bad words & then it was sent thru but they were blocked/banned from returning as the attacks went private & more personal to where the Law was involved. No one (that I am aware of) is on a Gag order............Dan since your the list owner can you post whether or not you have people "gagged" for what ever reason? I know exactly how often I've been in arguments on this list......as I stated I've been on this list for 8 yrs now.....you've been here how long? how many arguments or attempted arguments are we going to find w/your name? I'm sure if Dan felt inclined he can pull up both of our names & list the exact number of arguments either one of us has been in. I betcha he can also list how many times he's had to stop arguments from starting or continuing. Not sure what the argument topic has anything to do w/the original message of finding artifacts & keeping info. on them........but I'm sure you'll explain it to me;) If you didn't write to argue then what did you do below.......increased the rudeness from the last one to insight an argument......which still isn't going to happen on my end. And as for the rural reference near the bottom of your message....... Nope I don't have a field to plow, don't own a field nor have anything to plow a field w/other than my little roto tiller & sorry.......I'll use that for my garden only LOL......as for something to feed in the barn.........again.....Nope. Don't own a barn, everything that I needs to feeds is either located in my house, my yard or in a rented pasture all in the big outdoors.....with the exception of those things I got's ta feed in the house. Then they's stays in the house. And as for a cows to milk......again nope...don't gots no cows to milk. Haven't has any of 'em since I was a young kid & then we's only had 1. You added your thoughts as I had added mine....yet you took offense to mine when there was none to be taken. As for being "dismissed" thanx but yous ain't my ma or pa nor is you my teacher nor is you any authority to mes whats so ever.........so the only one who can dismiss me is those listed above (except for the teacher cuz I haven't been in school for many years now)......so I guess you'll have to put your dismissal authority aside & let Dan make that decision :) And see.......I kept all of my message portions here just for you :) Have a good Sat. Delorra......as best that you can at least :) Alli >I see you conveniently removed YOUR portion of the message. > > How come whenever someone disagrees with you, you have a cow? Yes I > changed the subject line to "whatever" so you dont see as you always do > that everything is a personal attack! > You can make statements and no one else can? You can say whatever youwant > and everyone else is on a Gag order! At your convenience you can check the > archives and see any arguments that were on this list were involving you. > Stop reading into things that just arent there. I only made a simple > statement in ref to a message from Shadow bear. I didnt write to argue. > > Its not like I said to YOU "Dont you have a field to plow or something to > feed in the barn or some cows to milk" > I only added my thoughts. > I thought this was everyones list not Alli's list. > > YOU are DISMISSED! > > Delorra

Any and all folks = Fighting on list will get people to loose posting privileges. nuff said any more - will mean = no more Dan M

message 2. ============ Kennewick Man was an ancestor of the mid-Columbia tribes http://www.lclark.edu/dept/chron/kennewickmans04.html Indian Law Bulletin - Supreme Court http://thorpe.ou.edu/supreme/2002-2003update17.htm MORE INDIAN ARTIFACTS RETURNING TO THE EARTH LAW HAS ALSO ENHANCED MUSEUM-TRIBAL DIALOGUE http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1P1:45868440&refid=ink_tptd_np&skeyword=&teaser SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/legislative/legislativeminutes/1993/senate/judiciary/sJUD033193pm2.txt A number of federal statutes have been enacted which concern the American Indian community as well as the arts community http://www.artslaw.org/NAGPRA.HTM =================== I have many more links I have read since we had this discussion a few years ago. ---- Dan M

I am not posting any excerpts, if interested, please view the websites. I am sending 2 messages so AOL will not filter them in spam. I suggest reading these sites before making personal opinions about artifacts ========= The Law and American Indian Grave Protection Oregon http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/oregonlaw.htm Washington http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/washingtonlaw.htm Beware the Indian-artifacts police http://www.overlawyered.com/2004/08/beware_the_indianartifacts_pol.html CHILKAT INDIAN VILLAGE TRIBAL COURT http://www.ankn.uaf.edu/curriculum/Tlingit/ChilkatIndianVillage/ ==================== Dan M

There are several Golden Corral's in the Ft. Worth area. We occasionally find some good sirloin, but if the server is a "tight wad", the small piece of steak is a fight to get through all the gristle to get to the "goodie"! Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Fwd: Hobby > Hey Tonya, > We just ate at the Golden Corral here in Idaho. > Its apparently become my hubby's favorite place :) > I tried their hamburgers.......not impressed but love the rest of the food > I eat. :) > > Alli >> Hi Barb, >> Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? >> How >> old are your children? >> I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. >> I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate >> winter >> time. I love summer time. >> >> Tonya > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

cool ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAPARHAM@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Fox and Porcupine - Apache / Jicarilla > > > In a message dated 1/6/2006 4:22:52 AM Central Standard Time, > blue_panther@otelco.net writes: > > i have never been to ok, > > > We have a lot of history here. My Great-grandparents were here I know at > least by 1894 as that is when one of their daughters was born in Indian > Territory. My Great-grandfather was buried here in 1899. I still live in > the same > town. > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

First this post should ( not ) have been posted to the list. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLorr1@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] whatever >

Interesting. Never heard of the horses hooves being wrapped before. One thing I've been learning about the wild horses at least on this side of the country is that if there are rocks around some of the horses (not always all) is that they've learned to 'pound' their hooves on the rocks to trim themselves? Shadow Bear was horses common to the Cherokee people? Alli ;) > One of the reasons we didn't have horses where we lived ==it was before > we knew about iron horseshoes ==what we done was wrap the horses feet > with raw hide==if you ever seen a wild horse the hoofs are bad > looking==looks bad enough a horse someone told it is posible to trim > those hoofs==those hoofs aregrowing to the side some time the horse > might not walk again > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Barb, This is a very good lesson you have taught your boys. We all need to learn this lesson. Thank you, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAPARHAM@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Shadowbear (Wise One) > > In a message dated 1/7/2006 8:10:14 AM Central Standard Time, > shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: > > I hope I don't make everyone mad==I answer every letter==just sometimes > I forget to write the answers > > SHADOW BEAR > ======================================================== > > Shadowbear, I do not answer everyone but I read all. If I don't agree I keep > my fingers quite. I always told my sons that it takes two to argue so one > has to be quite or all we will ever learn is to argue. (My opinion) > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Shadowbear, I agree with you, we don't need any arguments. Say what your opinion is and let others say their opinion and then move on to another subject. There is no need to defend your opinion or to attack someone else. Life is too short. Let us be friends and treat each other with kindness, we are not all going to agree on everything. Thank you Shadowbear, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Whatever > Delorra==You are right to your thoughts and you not have to defend > them==I just put my thoughts here and if my people don't like them ==do > as I do go to next letter==I justdon't like arguements==this is just my > thoughts > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Shadowbear, Do you know who it was that thought of putting these iron shoes on the horses in the first place? It sounds uncomfortable but yet I guess it helps. Take care, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Yesterday > One of the reasons we didn't have horses where we lived ==it was before > we knew about iron horseshoes ==what we done was wrap the horses feet > with raw hide==if you ever seen a wild horse the hoofs are bad > looking==looks bad enough a horse someone told it is posible to trim > those hoofs==those hoofs aregrowing to the side some time the horse > might not walk again > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Alli, Boy you really are busy and I thought that I was busy. How do you find time? What kind of home business are you trying to get started? How is the home schooling coming along? That sounds very interesting and fun. I too did not have any information about my Cherokee heritage passed down, just that we have Cherokee blood and my gggrandma was full blooded and passed away at an old age, I do have a sketched picture of her and she does look very Indian but this is all that I have. Take care, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] This List > Yeah you've probably got me figured out. > I am young (35) busy w/my munchkin's, animals, genealogy, helping my mom > figure her computer out, trying to get my home businesses going so I can > stay home but bring in money to help hubby out financially (I don't like > "not" working),home school my oldest son while "play" school w/my middle > one. And definitely wanting to gain more knowledge about the Cherokee People > as a whole while also trying to figure out my family heritage as > well.........not an easy task when your heritage was never passed down thru > the generations :( > > And I think you nailed Dan too. > > Alli :) > > =============================================================== > > > I think, Alli, is young, very busy, loves her children very > > much, > > hungry and so very thirsty for knoweldge, it is hard I think for her to > > persue > > both as she would like. > > Dan, I think is a nice man, maybe a teacher once. Patient (most > > of > > the time) really enjoys study and more enjoys shareing what he learns. > > But, > > he thinks folks should read, and learn not just have it handed to them. > > Shadow Bear, What can be said of Shadow Bear. Maybe the pureist > > soul I have ever incounterd. Wise even beyond his years. A love for life > > and > > his people beyond measure. > > > > Barb SC > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Delorra I do not have any artifacts, I have not found any, but if I did. I might leave it there and do some study on the area to see who it could have been from if it is Indian looking, never know when some read treasure shows the way to more and just to have people come and dig it up would be real bad. I think there are good reasons for study, but none to destroy the place just take things. TO see them end up in another country is just absurd. I like museums, but some times what they say about something's are not always the real facts. If I see too many things in the woods or places I go, I might try to learn more with study. Telling people where - might get the whole place re invaded <again> Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLorr1@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > Besides Shadow bear you are Indian and not only does most of it belong to your family you are entitled to have Indian artifacts. When they collect things who knows where they will end up. I spoke to a friend of mine the other day and she has a friend in France who knows of a shoplace or something maybe a museum that has loads of American Indian things. What right did whoever gave it to them to ever take it out of the country. So if I were you I wouldnt tell anyone anything and I feel you have no obligation to do so. You can seek on your own amongst the Indiand to find so owners but I wouldnt turn them over to anyone less than their owners. > > Many peolle find things on their property and I never heard of them trying to turn everything over to anyone. Besides you tried. > Just my thoughts. > Delorra > ==============================>

Hi Barb, Was the Golden Corral very busy when you ate there? We sometimes are so busy that we say it is like herding cattle through the restaurant, not much room to move. I really like our food, except the stuffing, and I am not much of a steak eater. I like our fish and roast beef and mashed potatoes. I always get our peach cobbler, bread pudding (which I have never tried before) and I love our banana pudding and pumpkin pie. You would think that I would gain alot of weight eating there but I have not gained any yet. It must be all the running around being busy there that keeps the weight off. Take care, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Fwd: Hobby > Hey Tonya, > We just ate at the Golden Corral here in Idaho. > Its apparently become my hubby's favorite place :) > I tried their hamburgers.......not impressed but love the rest of the food I > eat. :) > > Alli > > Hi Barb, > > Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? > > How > > old are your children? > > I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. > > I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate > > winter > > time. I love summer time. > > > > Tonya > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Barb, I am 46 1/2 yrs old and I have lived in Smock, PA practically my whole life. I have visited Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Maryland, and Texas. But I am hoping to visit South Carolina in June. I hear that it is beautiful and I would love to see it. I liked Arizona because I love the hot weather and we visited an old ghost town where donkeys just roamed through the town, this was different. I felt like I was back in the 1800's. I love to visit historical sites. I did not like Texas, the roads were long and flat (no hills), and though I loved the heat - everywhere you went you froze to death because of the air conditioning. I would have to live outside if I ever moved there. I like Maryland and some parts of Virginia, I don't like big cities, I would never live in one, I enjoy the country. Take care, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Fwd: Hobby > In a message dated 1/6/2006 11:25:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > luckeytonya@atlanticbb.net writes: > Hi Barb, > Did your husband come back? What do you do for a living? How > old are your children? > I work full time at a restaurant - The Golden Corral. > I have 2 natural children, 1 adopted, and 5 1/2 grandchildren. I hate winter > time. I love summer time. > > Tonya > =============================================================== > Hi Tonya > Naw, he hasn't it's been some years now. Just me and the > kids. > You sound some like me. I have 2 natural kids One is still in > Calif. One last year moved to Washington State from Calif. They each have 3 kids > and my boy has one on the way. I have two children here in South Carolina > with me. They are physically my sisters kids but I adopted them both when they > were born. The girl is 19 and the boy 17. > I don't really like winter much but I do like to watch and hear the > snow fall. I love Spring here in South Carolina it is an explosion of color > and smells.Calif was not much of anything in Spring except a bunch of kids at > the beach. When I was young I use to love the smell of orange trees and > eucalyptis treees in Southern Calif. But, those are long gone replaced my the smell > of Asphalt, Gasoline, and gun powder. This place here in South Carolina is > where I want to pass when the day comes. > > Barb SC > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/7/2006 8:10:14 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I hope I don't make everyone mad==I answer every letter==just sometimes I forget to write the answers SHADOW BEAR ======================================================== Shadowbear, I do not answer everyone but I read all. If I don't agree I keep my fingers quite. I always told my sons that it takes two to argue so one has to be quite or all we will ever learn is to argue. (My opinion) Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Hi Julia, Thank you for sharing this with us, I wish I knew about my Indian heritage. Take care, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <Roswellkidd@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > Tonya, > In my family, Edmund Kirby married General William B Shepherd's daughter in > North Carolina. Our family believed that the General was given two daughters > of a chief before the Revolution and they were both married to him in an > Indian ceremony during the Indian War. . > He took them and the children to Virginia, but went back to North Carolina. > James Kirby, wealthy oil and lumber baron, was one of their ? children. Sounds > like good blood! > Julia, > P.S. The Kirbys were also Indian. > If anyone is related, Jesse,Frank, Edmund Jr.,Henry, James, John, and two > girls, Patsy and Sarah. > JK > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:14:16 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Many of you know this better than me==if the clan would approve of the man ==after a short ceremony he would then move in==all he had to do is make sure his family kept warm ==make sure there was food==if he didn't do this all wife had to do was put his clothes out ==he could not come back==he was not part of the family anymore==the clan made most of the rules and crossing them was not a good thing some times a warrior would get killed he's widow would move in with the man and his family and then he would have two wife Very interesting. Am I understanding that the woman was very prominent in the Cherokee homes? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Fox and Rabbit - Apache / Jicarilla Fox one day met a Rabbit who was sewing a sack. "What do you intend to do with that sack?" asked he. "I am making this coat to protect myself from being killed by the hard hail which we are going to have today," replied Rabbit. "My friend, you know how to make them; give me this coat and make another for yourself." Rabbit agreed to this, and Fox put on the sack over his head. Rabbit then hung him on a limb and pelted him with stones, while Fox, thinking it was hail striking him, endured the punishment as long as he could, but finally fell nearly dead from the tree, and looked out, to see no signs of hail, but discovered the Rabbit running away. Fox wished to avenge himself by killing Rabbit, and set off in pursuit of him. When overtaken Rabbit was chewing soft gum with which to make spectacles. Fox's curiosity was stronger than his passion for revenge. "What are you making those for?" said he. "It is going to be very hot, and I am making them to protect my eyes," answered Rabbit. " Let me have this pair; you know how to make them and can make yourself another pair." "Very well," said Rabbit, and he put the eye- shields on Fox, who could then see nothing, as the gum was soft and filled his eyes. Rabbit set fire to the brush all around Fox, who was badly singed in running through it. The gum melted in the fire, and yet remains as the dark rings around his eyes. Fox again started on the trail of Rabbit, with the determination of eating him as soon as he saw him. He found Rabbit sitting beside the opening of a beehive. "I am going to eat you," said Fox ; "you have tried to kill me." "You must not kill me," replied Rabbit. "I am teaching these children," and he closed the opening of the hive, so that Fox could not see what was inside. Fox desired very much to see what was In the hive making such a noise. "If you wish to see, stay here and teach them while I rest. When it is dinner time, strike them with a club," said Rabbit, who then ran away. Fox patiently awaited the dinner hour, and then struck the hive with such force that he broke into it. The bees poured out and stung him until he rolled in agony. "When I see you again, I will kill you before you can say a word!" declared he, as he started after Rabbit again. Fox tracked the Rabbit to a small hole in the fence around a field of watermelons belonging to a Mexican. The Rabbit had entered to steal, and was angered at sight of the gum figure of a man which the owner of the field had placed beside the path. "What do you desire from me?" he cried, as he struck at the figure with his forefoot, which stuck fast in the soft gum. He struck at the gum with every foot, and even his head was soon stuck in the gum. Thus Fox found him. "What are you doing here?" he asked. "They put me in here because I would not eat chicken for them," said Rabbit. "I will take your place," said Fox ; "I know how to eat chicken." The Mexican found him in the morning and skinned him, and then let him go, -- still on the trail of the Rabbit who had so frequently outwitted him. Frank Russell, Myths of the Jicarilla Apaches, 1898 From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

In a message dated 1/6/2006 9:41:41 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: Hey if everyone starts lurking we're going to go into hibernation & that's no fun :( Alli Alli, I will try not to lurk. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America