No making up eh? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Members > Maybe as long as we are talking about clans and their power==If the > man hit the woman the clan would move him out==next morning if he was > dumb enough to be there they would then start stoning him out of the > Village and off the land never come back >

Thank you Dan for the 2 messages of links. I remember a bit about the Kennewick man, so that'll be interesting reading. Alli :) > message 2. > ============ > > Kennewick Man was an ancestor of the mid-Columbia tribes > http://www.lclark.edu/dept/chron/kennewickmans04.html > > Indian Law Bulletin - Supreme Court > http://thorpe.ou.edu/supreme/2002-2003update17.htm > > MORE INDIAN ARTIFACTS RETURNING TO THE EARTH LAW HAS ALSO ENHANCED > MUSEUM-TRIBAL DIALOGUE > http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1P1:45868440&refid=ink_tptd_np&skeyword=&teaser > > SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE > http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/legislative/legislativeminutes/1993/senate/judiciary/sJUD033193pm2.txt > > A number of federal statutes have been enacted which concern the American > Indian community as well as the arts community > http://www.artslaw.org/NAGPRA.HTM > =================== > > I have many more links I have read since we had this discussion a few > years > ago. > ---- > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

LOL Thank you grandma :) I guess I'll just read more, especially if there's a lot of distraction (noisy kids) around me cause some how I got confused by all of this :) either that or I need to go outside & let the wind try to blow out the cobwebs & clear my head a bit :) Alli > > I understand you Alli and you Shadowbear and support both of you in your > thinking. grandma > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Interesting. I knew of the introduction but didn't realize it was around the Cherokee People. Hmm.........looks like I will add horses to my research of history. This is interesting info. Joyce & Shadow Bear.......thank you Alli :) > Wrapping hooves was common when they were in rough territory. The Spanish > introduced the horse into the Native American culture in the 1500's. > > > Joyce Gaston Reece

Sometimes I don't like talking ==I tell my story soon I get some one that wants to argue== for me it is ok their opinion==I'm not going to disagree with them because of their words==This a place you can talk but you can't see if they mean it==I realy don't care what their words are just so they talk SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:00:59 AM Central Standard Time, EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com writes: THis makes sense to me. What do you think of this Shadow Bear?? Dan Barb OK. Alli. Barb sc ======================================== I also would like to figure out how they came by their name changes was it like the slaves who took their masters names? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

I wouldn't have a clue LOL I'm still learning about this stuff. :) > In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:53:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com writes: > I don't know about that but I do know white men married indian women to > ensure their safe passage through indian territory. Lewis and Clark have > many > > mixed descendents for example. A fullblood Elder lady on the res told me > if > your > family has been in the southeaster US for a hundred years then you have > native blood. Ruth > ============================================================== > THis makes sense to me. > What do you think of this Shadow Bear?? Dan Barb OK. Alli. > Barb sc > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

We had rubber boots for the horses in Oregon during the wet weather so the mud would not ruin the hooves. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Yesterday > I had heard this told ShadowBear but really realized it when we bought a > pony that had his hoofs worked on or shoed for a while. Fortunately the farrier > was able to file the hoof then shoe it and our beloved "Sunshine" was ok Ruth > >

In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:53:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com writes: I don't know about that but I do know white men married indian women to ensure their safe passage through indian territory. Lewis and Clark have many mixed descendents for example. A fullblood Elder lady on the res told me if your family has been in the southeaster US for a hundred years then you have native blood. Ruth ============================================================== THis makes sense to me. What do you think of this Shadow Bear?? Dan Barb OK. Alli. Barb sc

Yep I agree w/Barb as well....... And I too need to keep the lesson in mind at all times on the net & in my 'personal' life outside of the net ;) Alli > Hi Barb, > This is a very good lesson you have taught your boys. We > all need to learn this lesson. > > Thank you, > Tonya

Interesting Thank you for sharing all of this Shadow bear Alli :) > Yes the woman was the powerful one and her clan==they could change the > chiefs mind very easy==almost a snap of the finger==Remember the one > that made the clothes=the one that done the cooking==the one that done > the garden==most of all think of the one that had the kids the most > valuable part of the tribe Don't even think about crossing the clan==the > chiefs never did > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I don't know about that but I do know white men married indian women to ensure their safe passage through indian territory. Lewis and Clark have many mixed descendents for example. A fullblood Elder lady on the res told me if your family has been in the southeaster US for a hundred years then you have native blood. Ruth

Well, it sounds like a lot. But its not really :) I think the kids & house work take up more time then anything. I need to spend less time on the computer though to get more things accomplished LOL the one home business I do is kids books....I've been w/this for about 4 yrs. its fun....great for fundraisers. the other....its a internet one I'll tell you more about it in private....I don't want to bug everyone else about them LOL Home schooling is getting better. My oldest has his moments w/it......first its too hard, then its boring, then he just wants to play, all the same excuses most kids use w/regular school & home work. But he's better at it. We're hoping to get thru his 3rd grade book by the end of the "school year". He's tested up to 5th grade w/the Curriculum we were going to start using, but it was suggested to start him at his current "regular" school level to start off w/. Its a bit of a challenge when you have 2 younger one's that can be a distraction. Yep....same here......we've got Cherokee blood....don't know where LOL My dad thought it started w/his grandma I got a copy of her picture & she too looks very Indian, but w/the research I've done so far it seems to have started w/my 4th great grandma. but that's still not definite Alli :) > Hi Alli, > Boy you really are busy and I thought that I was busy. How > do > you find time? What kind of home business are you trying to get started? > How > is the home schooling coming along? That sounds very interesting and fun. > I too did not have any information about my Cherokee heritage passed down, > just that we have Cherokee blood and my gggrandma was full blooded and > passed away at an old age, I do have a sketched picture of her and she > does > look very Indian but this is all that I have. > > Take care, > Tonya >

Ours wasn't........well, the area we were in wasn't too bad. But those lady's are always running around doing something. The only time I saw them stationary was when they were filling pop up at their station otherwise it was hustling every where. I haven't tried the stuffing.....the other thing I'd like to try but haven't yet is the taco stuff.....the hamburger & "refried" beans....just doesn't look to appetizing...but I was in the mood for Hamburger & French fries so I gave the hamburger a try.....I think it was a sirloin type hamburger which I hadn't had before...a bit different. Haven't tried a lot of the deserts, but my favorite is the ice cream of course :) & the Rice Krispies......I can eat a ton of those....end up sick of course.....but oh are they good LOL Yeah I worked in a couple of restaurants (Chinese & one that was a restaurant/buffet setting) I didn't eat much at the Chinese (mandarin) one much after I saw how they made some things, but at the other one that is like the towns coffee/meeting place I did. But didn't gain anything either I was always running around like a chicken w/its head cut off LOL But I was also a teenager so I could eat a lot & not gain......now it might be another question LOL Alli :) > Hi Barb, > Was the Golden Corral very busy when you ate there? We > sometimes are so busy that we say it is like herding cattle through the > restaurant, not much room to move. I really like our food, except the > stuffing, and I am not much of a steak eater. I like our fish and roast > beef > and mashed potatoes. I always get our peach cobbler, bread pudding (which > I > have never tried before) and I love our banana pudding and pumpkin pie. > You > would think that I would gain alot of weight eating there but I have not > gained any yet. It must be all the running around being busy there that > keeps the weight off. > Take care, > Tonya >

In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:37:48 AM Central Standard Time, blue_panther@otelco.net writes: Fox and Rabbit - Apache / Jicarilla And they say smart as a fox? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:13:49 AM Central Standard Time, luckeytonya@atlanticbb.net writes: Hi Barb, This is a very good lesson you have taught your boys. We all need to learn this lesson. Thank you, Tonya ============================================== Tonya, I am now trying to teach the Grandkids the same thing maybe they all will pass it on. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/7/2006 9:01:30 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Yes the woman was the powerful one and her clan==they could change the chiefs mind very easy==almost a snap of the finger==Remember the one that made the clothes=the one that done the cooking==the one that done the garden==most of all think of the one that had the kids the most valuable part of the tribe Don't even think about crossing the clan==the chiefs never did Thank you for explaining this to me. I have another question. If my Great-greatgrandmothers's name was Graham would that be my Great-grandmother's name? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Well, good cause we were having fun chattering away I thought? Alli :) > Alli, > I will try not to lurk. > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I wasn't mad about anything you've said Shadow bear. You answered my message about why you don't report your findings & I understood them :) Alli :) >I hope I don't make everyone mad==I answer every letter==just sometimes > I forget to write the answers > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Blank This was sent the other day & I just came across it & thought I'd share. Alli :) Elder's Meditation of the Day - January 3 "We don't have to say or think what we don't wish to. We have a choice in those things, and we have to realize that and practice using that choice." --Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE Having choices makes us fully accountable. No one can make us think anything we don't want to think. No one can determine our behavior and how we act. It's not what's going on but how we look at what's going on. If someone does something and we get upset, we can change how we look at it any time we want. We can tell ourselves in the morning that the day is going to be beautiful and that we have expectations that great things will happen. Doing this daily sets our mind to look for the joy and the excitement of each day. Great Spirit, help me to choose my thoughts with Your wisdom.