I have seen on a tee shirt "I am part white but can't prove it", Try that one on, I am also part white but think and live red.... Wadu Osda Elisti Nigadv, Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama Griz ----- Original Message ----- From: M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Indian Makes me think of what I was told. "Part Cherokee" which part hand arm leg? Either you are or you're not. My reply well I know my heart is Ruth ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I homeschooled my grandson several years. What kind of home business. I know at this point in your life there doesn't seem to be enuff hours in the day.So busy with day to day living. But savor every minute. The day will come when you even miss the messes the kids made.Remember that you are making memories for a lifetime each day and count your blessings often.Forgive the ramblings of an ole lady<grin> Ruth

In a message dated 1/7/2006 1:55:49 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I am not an expert on this who is indian or who is not==I think one drop of Cherokee blood makes you Cherokee==One Cherokee thought makes you Cherokee==Now you know why many people want to argue with me==ask some on the rez.there is no way any new people is Cherokee==boy some people can really be wrong SHADOW BEAR Thank you I have always been so proud of my Indian heritage and then some will look at you like there is no way but I am still very proud and do not need a card to tell me how I feel inside. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

I like your style sister lol Ruth

In a message dated 1/7/2006 1:43:09 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: This is something else that can make a laugh==the last time(long ago) any of them came out they gat out of a very shiney car they had very shiney shoes then Went toward the finding ==it was too dusty or too wet or to dry very dusty==they had very nice clothes on black suits white shirts and ties they also had much sweat==they put this stuff in a bag and throw these things in the trunk with the other junk==I think of these pitiful people trashing stuff==I know I want nothing to do with them anymore Sounds like they may have been there a short time. :) Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/7/2006 1:17:41 PM Central Standard Time, GLewis2035@aol.com writes: I can only say about Cherokee people I know. The respect is mutual between husband and wife and they have great tolerance and understanding between them. The husband honors her because she is the life giver is dedicated to careing for family. She honors her husband because is the provider for this family and dedicated to his duties as the provider. grandma I think that must be the way our life has gone for 50+ years, you don't see much of that today. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Maybe as long as we are talking about clans and their power==If the man hit the woman the clan would move him out==next morning if he was dumb enough to be there they would then start stoning him out of the Village and off the land never come back

In a message dated 1/7/2006 3:12:33 AM Central Standard Time, Roswellkidd@aol.com writes: I think the Cherokee women were the heads of households and the men went to live in the women's home. I don't think think that would have happened. Kirby was also Indian, and I think the daughters and the father highly respected him. I wish I knew more, and I will probably never know. Julia I can only say about Cherokee people I know. The respect is mutual between husband and wife and they have great tolerance and understanding between them. The husband honors her because she is the life giver is dedicated to careing for family. She honors her husband because is the provider for this family and dedicated to his duties as the provider. grandma

Dan I agree with that. In Australia if you see any Aboriginal artifacts you have leave them where u found them and I dont think you can touch them It is acknowledged the belong to the Native people. I like you would keep American things to study, give them to anothet Indian or leave it there. Yes I think telling will get the place invaded. My friend that will go to France is Indian and wil go to France toi identify whatever can be identified as original. They try to make some arrangements to get them back to the US and the tribal governments. ............................................... In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:56:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> writes: >Delorra >I do not have any artifacts, I have not found any, but if I did. >   I might leave it there and do some study on the area to see who it could >have been from if it is Indian looking, never know when some read treasure >shows the way to more and just to have people come and dig it up would be >real bad. >   I think there are good reasons for study, but none to destroy the place >just take things. TO see them end up in another country is just absurd. I >like museums, but some times what they say about something's are not always >the real facts.  If I see too many things in the woods or places I go, I >might try to learn more with study. >    Telling people where - might get the whole place re invaded <again> > >Dan M >www.wvi.com/~wb >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat >----- Original Message ----- >From: <DLorr1@aol.com> >To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:44 AM >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Alli==You are right== > > >> Besides Shadow bear you are Indian and not only does most of it belong to >your family you are entitled to have Indian artifacts.  When they collect >things who knows where they will end up.  I spoke to a friend of mine the >other day and she has a friend in France who knows of a shoplace or >something maybe a museum that has loads of American Indian things. What >right did whoever gave it to them to ever take it out of the country. So if >I were you I wouldnt tell anyone anything and I feel you have no obligation >to do so. You can seek on your own amongst the Indiand to find so owners but >I wouldnt turn them over to anyone less than their owners. >> >>  Many peolle find things on their property and I never heard of them >trying to turn everything over to anyone. Besides you tried. >> Just my thoughts. >> Delorra >> ==============================>

I am not an expert on this who is indian or who is not==I think one drop of Cherokee blood makes you Cherokee==One Cherokee thought makes you Cherokee==Now you know why many people want to argue with me==ask some on the rez.there is no way any new people is Cherokee==boy some people can really be wrong SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:28:48 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: Well, good cause we were having fun chattering away I thought? ====================== Oh, I can't keep these fingers still for long. LOL Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Hey if everyone starts lurking we're going to go into hibernation & that's no fun :( Alli I don't think I am ready to sleep with the bears yet, so I will content myself with some chatting now and then. grandma

This is something else that can make a laugh==the last time(long ago) any of them came out they gat out of a very shiney car they had very shiney shoes then Went toward the finding ==it was too dusty or too wet or to dry very dusty==they had very nice clothes on black suits white shirts and ties they also had much sweat==they put this stuff in a bag and throw these things in the trunk with the other junk==I think of these pitiful people trashing stuff==I know I want nothing to do with them anymore SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/7/2006 12:27:33 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: I wasn't mad about anything you've said Shadow bear. You answered my message about why you don't report your findings & I understood them :) Alli :) I understand you Alli and you Shadowbear and support both of you in your thinking. grandma

Wrapping hooves was common when they were in rough territory. The Spanish introduced the horse into the Native American culture in the 1500's. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Alli To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Yesterday Interesting. Never heard of the horses hooves being wrapped before. One thing I've been learning about the wild horses at least on this side of the country is that if there are rocks around some of the horses (not always all) is that they've learned to 'pound' their hooves on the rocks to trim themselves? Shadow Bear was horses common to the Cherokee people? Alli ;) > One of the reasons we didn't have horses where we lived ==it was before > we knew about iron horseshoes ==what we done was wrap the horses feet > with raw hide==if you ever seen a wild horse the hoofs are bad > looking==looks bad enough a horse someone told it is posible to trim > those hoofs==those hoofs aregrowing to the side some time the horse > might not walk again > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

LOL Wouldn't that mean that we were keeping them warm? LOL Alli :) > After they have had you for supper? > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Yep I have ;) yet still behind on mail LOL Alli > Please ladies lets agree to disagree and move on Ruth

I dont see the part reference, but since people use it for a general term part this and part that - it is a popular term. I use it too, I guess we could use something else. like ? Dunno. English, Irish, Dutch, Scots, Indian ? Mix .? I really do not know many of ours, my old folks just had lots of opinions. Non to accurate - like for our Cherokee, many stories, but always the same people names. My folks did not talk about this much because there was to many others who were causing problems for those people who they knew how they were related back then. So that subject was dropped, my mom always said she did not want to talk about it . Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Indian > Makes me think of what I was told. "Part Cherokee" which part hand arm leg? > Either you are or you're not. My reply well I know my heart is Ruth > >

They'd keep you warm......maybe :) Good. Chatting now & then is a good thing :) Alli > I don't think I am ready to sleep with the bears yet, so I will content > myself with some chatting now and then. > grandma > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

sorry :( Alli :( > Any and all folks = > Fighting on list will get people to loose posting privileges. > > nuff said > > any more - will mean = no more > > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >