I'm working on going thru the last 2 links. But so far they have been pretty interesting & it seems that the Oregon & Washington laws are the same, or fairly close. So I'd guess it's safe to assume that all states have the same or similar such laws as what the first 2 provide? the "trackback" portion of the 3rd link doesn't have any workable links w/the "put that in your peace pipe & smoke it" or Read more links :( I'm looking at the 3rd link now......also interesting but not into it enough to say much. Thanks again Dan Alli :) >I am not posting any excerpts, if interested, please view the websites. > I am sending 2 messages so AOL will not filter them in spam. > I suggest reading these sites before making personal opinions about > artifacts > ========= > The Law and American Indian Grave Protection > Oregon > http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/oregonlaw.htm > > Washington > http://www.ibsgwatch.imagedjinn.com/learn/washingtonlaw.htm > > Beware the Indian-artifacts police > http://www.overlawyered.com/2004/08/beware_the_indianartifacts_pol.html > > CHILKAT INDIAN VILLAGE TRIBAL COURT > http://www.ankn.uaf.edu/curriculum/Tlingit/ChilkatIndianVillage/ > ==================== > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Makes me think of what I was told. "Part Cherokee" which part hand arm leg? Either you are or you're not. My reply well I know my heart is Ruth

Or to use one of my favorite expressions two mules pull this wagon and have for 43 yrs come the 20th Ruth

Barbara==If she hit him it means he has broken one of the rules about food==heat=better she hit him then telling the clan SHADOW BEAR

Our people very smart lol Ruth

Dan==No there was no makeup ===they would not let him go just to do it again SHADOW BEAR

Hubby and I were in restaurant management and supervision for a long time. No weight gain then you have to move too fast lol Ruth

Yeah I've seen that T-shirt. Wanted to order one but forgot where they came from LOL Alli :) >I have seen on a tee shirt "I am part white but can't prove it", Try that >one on, I am also part white but think and live red.... > Wadu > Osda Elisti Nigadv, > Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama > Griz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Indian > > > Makes me think of what I was told. "Part Cherokee" which part hand arm > leg? > Either you are or you're not. My reply well I know my heart is Ruth > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Thanx again Ruth

In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:16:44 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: LOL Wouldn't that mean that we were keeping them warm? LOL Alli :) ==================== Yes but you would be warm in the tummy. LOL Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Tonya the horse doesn't have feeling in the hooves so I've been told Ruth

Most definitely the women were and are prominent Ruth

Shadow Bear You have such a good and kind heart I cannot imagine anyone being mad at you. I so enjoy reading your posts and learning from you. We all can read and keep that which rings true to us and dismiss that which doesn't. BUT the one word that is primary in the Cherokee culture is RESPECT You dear brother show that. We must respect all things including each other. Just my two beads worth Ruth

Please ladies lets agree to disagree and move on Ruth

Not in the hoof wall but under the sole (bottom) they have blood veins that help keep the hoof growing & the 'inside' portion they can feel....if there's something in the sole/frog that causes pressure or pain they can feel that. But not in the hoof wall itself (the outer) which is why we can put nails thru it when shoeing. Alli :) > Tonya the horse doesn't have feeling in the hooves so I've been told Ruth > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

The Clan Mothers had a lot of influence Ruth

I had heard this told ShadowBear but really realized it when we bought a pony that had his hoofs worked on or shoed for a while. Fortunately the farrier was able to file the hoof then shoe it and our beloved "Sunshine" was ok Ruth

The Cherokee women were in control. They appointed the chiefs decided if the tribe went to war or not. Possesions belonged to the woman.The down side was the women also did the majority of the work. This info from my Cherokee mom in law Ruth

How about "People"? Wadu Osda Elisti Nigadv, Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama Griz ----- Original Message ----- From: DanM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Indian I dont see the part reference, but since people use it for a general term part this and part that - it is a popular term. I use it too, I guess we could use something else. like ? Dunno. English, Irish, Dutch, Scots, Indian ? Mix .? I really do not know many of ours, my old folks just had lots of opinions. Non to accurate - like for our Cherokee, many stories, but always the same people names. My folks did not talk about this much because there was to many others who were causing problems for those people who they knew how they were related back then. So that subject was dropped, my mom always said she did not want to talk about it . Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Indian > Makes me think of what I was told. "Part Cherokee" which part hand arm leg? > Either you are or you're not. My reply well I know my heart is Ruth > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:00:44 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: They'd keep you warm......maybe :) Good. Chatting now & then is a good thing :) Alli ================== After they have had you for supper? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America