I knew some people in Ky.now this was some time ago==one day the coal co started lying track not far from them ==the coal started building something==this land was very nice==lot of fishing and hunting==they complaining about the noise==tough they were told==this machine took a bite from the land then dumped the dirt on the side it made a mountain than done it again this time my friends were on the edge of a very deephole ==next bite of this machine would take them==all this time every one was complaining==tough==the company came and gave them a little money==not enough to even move==you should see this land now it looks like the moon==just another way to move Cherokee remember the coal co.was doing this not caring who lived there SHADOW BEAR

Now you have the type things I was taught to have. How beautiful Ruth

I have been told in the medicine bag should be things of personal significance Ruth

In a message dated 1/8/2006 6:23:40 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: You know every one is right on this==the medicine bag is yours you put things in that works for you not your ancestors ==they had their own ==I have things old it just works for me==Good Morning=== SHADOW BEAR ============================= I will make me a medicine bag. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

I was in a school like that, there were rows of bench desks each was 1 grade all in the same room. The older kids would slap us littler ones in the back of the head when the teacher would turn her back, we would dip our pens in the well and flick ink on them then it would get noisy, some one would roll up a paper and make a spit wad then hit the teacher and we would all have to catch heck because the no one would tell on the other, every one would bust out laughing at the teachers dismayed looks and we would do chores for recess and after school we would catch it at home because our parents then were mad because they had to wait after school to take us home. So all in all we found out, there was a strap at school and home, plus chores and so we soon stopped getting into trouble. All the parents would get together where we lived and all us kids were on dangerous grounds goofing up. Now as for how people were treated - we had some Indian boys ,and some Mexicans, every one was treated the same there. In the early years like Shadowbear speaks I have only read about from the actual people and just say this - I was glad to see times change for the kids in school. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hair Cut > Brin==That school I will never foget ==First they cut your hair==take > you clothes and then start beating on you till you know thier talk==then > beat you for not saying sir or thank you on and on==the one thing you > learn is hate==my father-in-law hated every one he blamed his mother and > father for letting them take him==hated the school==hated everone at > that place he made his family toe the mark with a razor strop==hated > everything till he went across the river > > SHADOW BEAR ===================================

Dan==Don't you think cutting you hair would be almost as bad as a man that beats his wife==a wife beater would have the clan on him==cutting your hair the rest of the village would be on you==Cutting your hair is telling every one about being a coward SHADOW BEAR

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NOt long ago artifacts where found near Lake Fort Smith somewhere near the building of the new dam. I wonder what became of the things found. TJ

Sgi, BP Brin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Panther" <blue_panther@otelco.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Fox and the Moon - Snoqualmie

Siyo, Soquili, I send you many blessings and much healing energy for Tsayonah's recovery. May you find strength and comfort as well. Tohidu, Brin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tsayonah" <mtndream@ix.netcom.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:17 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Prayer Request > Osiyo, > This is soquili, tsayonah's husband. Tsayonah is very ill and in the > hospital. I am requesting prayers and smoke so Creator/God will heal > her. Wado. > donadagohvi, > soquiliwodi

----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Dan. > Reason for that mail is I go every day to my quiet place and ask for > every one here and every one I know for the right path I hope I'am not > out of line when I tell of this > > SHADOW BEAR > =================================>> I think this comes in as part of the culture. Dan M

In a message dated 1/7/2006 11:04:54 PM Central Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: Well since I have not a clue what to put in one. Or why I would use certain things. Here is what I would have in mine. 1 match 1 roll of string 2 safety pins 1 chunk of red wood bark 2 sticks of jerky 1 sprig of sage 1 small piece of Cedar 1 hand full of tobacco 1 corn cob pipe Dan M Is it a secret or can it be told what goes into a medicine bag? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Hey <G> Go ahead. I just said I am ducking early <grin> Even a simple mention seems to bring a war here, we just got done with one last week or so... fry bread was flying every where <G> You folks go ahead. Just keep a calm head about it . Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> > On this list you said almost any subject so what is wrong with religion > as a subject just keep it in it's place?? > > SHADOW BEAR > =============================>>

Again, not my words, but again from the band Creed, "ONE", from the album "My Own Prison" One Affirmative may be justified Take from one give to another The goal is to be unified Take my hand be my brother The payment silenced the masses Sanctified by oppression Unity took a back seat Sliding further in regression One The only way is one I feel angry I feel helpless Want to change the world I feel violent I feel alone Don't try and change my mind Society blind by color Why hold down one to raise another Discrimination now on both sides Seeds of hate blossom further The world is heading for mutiny When all we want is Unity We may rise and fall, but in the end We meet our fate together One The only way is one I feel angry I feel helpless Want to change the world I feel violent I feel alone Don't try and change my mind

----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> > Odd how so many of the traditions and believe of Cherokee connect with the > Bible. > This one on cutting the hair. Makes me think of Samson. > > Barb SC > ============================>> Any time a conversation mentions the Bible all I can do is think ** DUCK!!** folks. <G> Dan M

----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Prayer Request > In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mtndream@ix.netcom.com writes: > Osiyo, > This is soquili, tsayonah's husband. Tsayonah is very ill and in the > hospital. I am requesting prayers and smoke so Creator/God will heal > her. Wado. > donadagohvi, > soquiliwodi ===================== Prayers from here too ! Dan M

Shadowbear. I actually do have a bag with those things. Any one know what they are used for ? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:12 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Medicine Bag > Barb sc==I have no plans for today maybe no one else has==yesterday no > plans so I sit here==we are feeling good here and how is everyone > there?Even had some coffee=====Good Morning========== > > SHADOW BEAR > > ============================>>>

These are not my words, but words from a song on the band Creeds "Human Clay" album. I post them because they make you think. What If. I can't gind the rhyme in all of my reason I've lost sense of time and all seasons I feel I've been beaten down By the words of men who have no gounds I can't sleep beneath the trees of wisdom When your ax has cut the roots that feed them Forked tongues in bitter mouths Can drive a man to bleed from inside out What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge? What if eye for an eye? I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine Destroy the man who lacks a strong mind Human pride sings a vengeful song Inspired by the times you've been walked on My state is shared by many million Who lift their hands up high Because they feel this We are one We are strong The more you hold us down The more we press on What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge? What if eye for an eye? I know I can't hold hate Inside my mind 'Cause what consumes your thoughts Controls your life So I'll just ask a question What If? What if your words could be judges like a crime?

done tj

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