I think re post on Wima Mankiller it was a typo and should have read cancer Ruth

My stepdad who was English complained bitterly about the Strip mining here in WV. At least now they do replant trees they used to leave it bare. He said it looked like what it was raping the mountains. Ruth

A little smile for you. My grandsons hair is almost shoulder length. I asked him how long he was going to let it grow.(keeping in mind summer before last his ball team shaved their heads which he immediately regretted) He said he couldn't let it grow any longer because someone told him if someone besides family touched a mans hair then they would cut all his hair off that it was the Cherokee way. He said girls liked to touch his hair so he couldn't risk it getting longer and being cut off. I kept a straight face as I assured him his friends have the info turned around it was simple the women of his family were supposed to be the only ones who cut the hair not touch it.Now wonder how long the hair will get LOL Ruth

In a message dated 1/8/2006 1:28:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: looks like the moon==just another way to move Cherokee remember the coal co.was doing this not caring who lived there SHADOW BEAR ============================================================= I think the coal companies also exploited the Cherokee and others. They used the need to work and brought people in those dangerous places for little money. People had to face this dangerous place to feed there family because the hunting lands were destroyed. Barb sc

In a message dated 1/8/2006 1:54:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: On this list you said almost any subject so what is wrong with religion as a subject just keep it in it's place?? SHADOW BEAR ================================================================== Thanks Shadow Bear I was mearly stating my view of the subject line and the corrilation I saw there. Didn't want to start a talk of religion. Are we back to Holiday trees??? Barb sc

In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:18:23 AM Central Standard Time, EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com writes: Everyone here is fine. Boy is getting ready for church. It is beautiful sunshine here this morning. But go out the door BRRRRRR. It has seemed as spring time in South Carolina these past days. I think God knows my heart doesn't work. I never knew a women could be chief. the post I read called her "ms mankiller who got cabcer " What is cabcer??? Barb sc ============================ Barb SC She had cancer several years ago. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Brin==That school I will never foget ==First they cut your hair==take you clothes and then start beating on you till you know thier talk==then beat you for not saying sir or thank you on and on==the one thing you learn is hate==my father-in-law hated every one he blamed his mother and father for letting them take him==hated the school==hated everone at that place he made his family toe the mark with a razor strop==hated everything till he went across the river SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/8/2006 11:30:51 AM Central Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: No thanks . I like my nose the way it is. Dan M\ =============================== Okay no bull ring in the nose. LOL Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:12:46 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Barb sc==I have no plans for today maybe no one else has==yesterday no plans so I sit here==we are feeling good here and how is everyone there?Even had some coffee=====Good Morning========== SHADOW BEAR Good morning Shadowbear, It is a beautiful day in Oklahoma. Now if the winds and fires stay away it will be a better day. I am wondering where winter went as it is like spring outside. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/8/2006 7:04:01 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I really want to hear this one==I thought Wilma Mankiller was the first==never gave much thought SHADOW BEAR ================== I thought she was the first too. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Shadow Bear, I can not even imagine in my own mind how devastating it was for a small child forced into boarding school and have their hair cut (not to mention, their clothes burned and beaten for speaking their own language). The fear and shame that was felt and of course the identity crisis, confusion and rage that followed. Brin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hair Cut > Dan==Don't you think cutting you hair would be almost as bad as a man > that beats his wife==a wife beater would have the clan on him==cutting > your hair the rest of the village would be on you==Cutting your hair is > telling every one about being a coward > > SHADOW BEAR

Sounds like strip mining, Shadow Bear. I've seen it destroy the land that couldn't come back. Brin ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Peobody coal co. >I knew some people in Ky.now this was some time ago==one day the coal co > started lying track not far from them ==the coal started building > something==this land was very nice==lot of fishing and hunting==they > complaining about the noise==tough they were told==this machine took a > bite from the land then dumped the dirt on the side it made a mountain > than done it again this time my friends were on the edge of a very > deephole ==next bite of this machine would take them==all this time > every one was complaining==tough==the company came and gave them a > little money==not enough to even move==you should see this land now it > looks like the moon==just another way to move Cherokee remember the > coal co.was doing this not caring who lived there > > SHADOW BEAR

Reason for that mail is I go every day to my quiet place and ask for every one here and every one I know for the right path I hope I'am not out of line when I tell of this SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: your hair the rest of the village would be on you==Cutting your hair is telling every one about being a coward SHADOW BEAR =============================================================== Odd how so many of the traditions and believe of Cherokee connect with the Bible. This one on cutting the hair. Makes me think of Samson. Barb SC

On this list you said almost any subject so what is wrong with religion as a subject just keep it in it's place?? SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:29:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: Just proves you got caught not reading links and messages I post <G> We covered this here last week I think <G> <grinning> Dan M ========================================================= Ok I confess Please resend. Barb Sc

I am keeping these wonderful stories for my grandchildren. So thanx very much Ruth

Prayers on the wind Ruth

Nuns grab even big boys by the ear and they follow them anywhere lol funny to see a tiny nun do this lol Ruth

I thought so too. I highly recommend Wilma Mankillers biography for those who enjoy reading. Ruth