Hi Shadowbear, I feel really bad about how they were treated at the boarding schools. I wish everyone was treated the same and with kindness and respect. What did you mean that your father in law hated everyone until he went across the river. Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hair Cut > Brin==That school I will never foget ==First they cut your hair==take > you clothes and then start beating on you till you know thier talk==then > beat you for not saying sir or thank you on and on==the one thing you > learn is hate==my father-in-law hated every one he blamed his mother and > father for letting them take him==hated the school==hated everone at > that place he made his family toe the mark with a razor strop==hated > everything till he went across the river > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Tonya==My father in law==hated his parents==he hit his kids with a razor strop he hated the paper boy==hated every one and he blamed every body for the time he spent in that school==he thought they were looking for him till he died=could not talk with him==I was bad from the school but I did recover it did take long time for me SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/8/2006 8:55:27 AM Central Standard Time, EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com writes: This is soquili, tsayonah's husband. Tsayonah is very ill and in the hospital. I am requesting prayers and smoke so Creator/God will heal her. Wado. Prayers and smoak are going up for her. grandma

To Alli and all on the Cherokee Circle list, Wado for the prayers. Tsayonah is a strong Cherokee woman but she is very sick and we greatly appreciate all good thoughts and prayers. donadagohvi, Soquili Alli wrote: > I am just now seeing this :( > > Prayers are on the wind for Tsayonah > May she heal quickly > Prayers are on the wind for you Soquili as well for the needed > strength to get thru this & Help Tsayonah come home. > > Alli :) >

In a message dated 1/8/2006 3:41:26 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: I wish I could say its a beautiful day in Idaho, but its miserable weather wise. :( We got a small amt of rain/hail/snow & strong winds last night. Its melting a bit now but the winds are still blowing :( and its cold. Alli :) ============================================================= Alli, I sure wish we has some moisture of any kind here. There is a big fire in the county east of us and we can see the smoke from here. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/8/2006 3:08:20 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: Or belly button LOL Just think you would be in style with that. LOL Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Thank you very much. Your thoughts and prayers are greatly appreciated. soquili Tjfuji@aol.com wrote: >done >tj > > > > > >

Wado, Barb. She is a strong Cherokee woman but she is laid low this time. All your good thoughts and prayers are much appreciated. soquili EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com wrote: > Prayers from here for strength for you and healing for your wife. > > Barb sc > > > > > > > > >

I am just outside Charleston the Capitol city in Tornado Ruth

I'd send ya some as even though we desperately need it. We need it where it'll help during irrigation season. A snow pack in the mountains or filling up the reservoirs. We need a break in the yard from it. The dogs don't even wanna be out in it as there's no dry place for them to lay down. Alli ============================================================= > Alli, I sure wish we has some moisture of any kind here. There is a big > fire > in the county east of us and we can see the smoke from here. > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Yeah he'd fit in.....but not me......I'm allergic to needles especially in places where they don't belong........any part of my body LOL > > Just think you would be in style with that. LOL > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Ruth, Where do you live in WV? Are you near West Vaco in Randolf County? My daughter and her husband work at the research center there trying to learn what the coal and logging companies are doing to the environment. Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Peobody coal co. > My stepdad who was English complained bitterly about the Strip mining here > in WV. At least now they do replant trees they used to leave it bare. He > said > it looked like what it was raping the mountains. Ruth > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/8/2006 2:43:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Brin==That school I will never foget ==First they cut your hair==take you clothes and then start beating on you till you know thier talk==then beat you for not saying sir or thank you on and on==the one thing you learn is hate==my father-in-law hated every one he blamed his mother and father for letting them take him==hated the school==hated everone at that place he made his family toe the mark with a razor strop==hated everything till he went across the river SHADOW BEAR =============================================================== This school sounds ugly. Did you have to go Shadow Bear. I have heard of these schools. Did they think if they took your physical identity you would no longer be Cherokee??? They didn't they know they cannot take a persons inner feeling of who they are??? Guess it is good I didn't come up then, I would have got beat to death. Sometimes I am pretty mouthy especially when it come to what I believe, and who I am. This is to bad your father in law was taught to hate so. Maybe, just before he crossed his heart changed back..... Barb SC

People can get touchy, easily offended, or defensive w/the "religion" topic. There's many list war's here over it. So Dan's gun shy so to speak ;) Alli > On this list you said almost any subject so what is wrong with religion > as a subject just keep it in it's place?? > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I wish I could say its a beautiful day in Idaho, but its miserable weather wise. :( We got a small amt of rain/hail/snow & strong winds last night. Its melting a bit now but the winds are still blowing :( and its cold. Alli :) > > Good morning Shadowbear, It is a beautiful day in Oklahoma. Now if the > winds > and fires stay away it will be a better day. I am wondering where winter > went as it is like spring outside. > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I am just now seeing this :( Prayers are on the wind for Tsayonah May she heal quickly Prayers are on the wind for you Soquili as well for the needed strength to get thru this & Help Tsayonah come home. Alli :) >> In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> mtndream@ix.netcom.com writes: >> Osiyo, >> This is soquili, tsayonah's husband. Tsayonah is very ill and in the >> hospital. I am requesting prayers and smoke so Creator/God will heal >> her. Wado. >> donadagohvi, >> soquiliwodi > ===================== > Prayers from here too ! > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Really ? So a male grows his hair long to show his bravery & pride? Is there a significance w/a woman's hair too? (which I find Indian & Mexican women w/gorgeous hair). Alli :) > Dan==Don't you think cutting you hair would be almost as bad as a man > that beats his wife==a wife beater would have the clan on him==cutting > your hair the rest of the village would be on you==Cutting your hair is > telling every one about being a coward > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Thank you ShadowBear. I appreciate the prayers. :)

I'm with you Dan I was halfway through my run for cover. I have seen many lists destroyed by this subject. I will say I have noticed many stories similar. Possibly because both are teaching moral behavior which is always a good thing. Ruth

I missed the link/post about the women chief's? Alli :) > Just proves you got caught not reading links and messages I post <G> > We covered this here last week I think <G> > <grinning> > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >