Well, technically its the landlords fruit tree LOL But the grass, fruit tree & lavender bush are loving it as is the Pine tree LOL > Well if you said " Our fruit tree" you would have it right! > > > Dan M

Thank you Julia I will look her up. Sue ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Roswellkidd@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:08:16 EST There were women who were warriers. One that is my star was Princess Cornblossom. Look her up and you will have a memory for the rest of your life. Her brother was Tuckahoe. Julia ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at 1st.net

Well if you said " Our fruit tree" you would have it right! Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > I know our Peach or Apricot tree (I forget what it is) ============================>

Good Morning Shadow Bear. Glad to have you back :).

Got back just a little while ago--catch a little nap then look out SHADOW BEAR

Someone was told me in the old days they would throw ground walnut shells in water when fish ate it it stunned them and they floated to the surface where they gathered them. Dunno if this is true or someone trying to pull my leg Ruth

I haven't.......... I think he went into hiding again :( Alli :) > Thank you Alli. This is nice. Anyone heard from Shadowbear? > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 1/11/2006 3:05:07 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: "Race and language makes no difference; the barriers are gone when persons > can come together on high spiritual levels." > --Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE Thank you Alli. This is nice. Anyone heard from Shadowbear? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Shadow Bear said he was going to K.C. yesterday morning but haven't heard anything from him yet. He may be resting up if he isn't still there. Brin ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > This is nice. Anyone heard from Shadowbear? > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America >

o siyo Where there any woman warriors the Native People??? Did any of the Native males do any cooking for the family??? Wado Sue ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at 1st.net

you drop the wires over the side into the water ,keep you out of water,give phone a few cranks then wait for fish to come up.hide fone and drag in sack of free fish.cource it is illegal these days.anna ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tjfuji@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Telephone > In a message dated 1/9/2006 9:27:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, > artyndn@cityscope.net writes: > > do you telephone or fish with it?anna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tjfuji@aol.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:06 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Elder's Meditation of the Day - January 11 > "Race and language makes no difference; the barriers are gone when persons > can come together on high spiritual levels." > --Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE > > Not only are race and language barriers overcome by spirituality, but all > things are overcome by spirituality. Inside every human being is the > spirit. When we see people, we can choose to look at their outside or we > can choose to look at their inside. Spirituality resides inside of others, > we must be able to look at our own inside. If we see spirituality inside > ourselves, we will see spirituality inside others. The saying is, "what > you sees is what you gets." > > My Creator, let me see all my brothers and sisters through the spiritual > eye. > > Contact us: > White Bison, inc. > 6145 Lehman Drive Suite 200 > Colorado Springs, CO > 80918 E-mail us: > www.whitebison.org > info@whitebison.org > Phone : 719-548-1000 > Fax : 719-548-9407 > > > . >

I know our Peach or Apricot tree (I forget what it is) is happy w/all of this rain.....maybe now's the time to plant a fruit tree? Well....over here in Idaho.....up in Washington it'd probably end up in the lake instead :) Stay safe Alli >I sure hope the apple trees are getting some of this, because the rest of >us > on this side of the mountains are growing webbed feet and starting to > quack. > The local weather man even made the comment that there were Ark building > directions posted on the website. > > With our wonderful County Executive, the druggies and drunks don't have to > sleep on the sidewalks anymore! They've been put into 'tent cities' and > placed on the 'east side of the lake' so that the people over here can > 'recognize the plight of these 'less fortunates'. > > Virginia in Seattle

Another big Thank you. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

I sure hope the apple trees are getting some of this, because the rest of us on this side of the mountains are growing webbed feet and starting to quack. The local weather man even made the comment that there were Ark building directions posted on the website. With our wonderful County Executive, the druggies and drunks don't have to sleep on the sidewalks anymore! They've been put into 'tent cities' and placed on the 'east side of the lake' so that the people over here can 'recognize the plight of these 'less fortunates'. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > But just think of all those apple trees over on the other side of the > mtn. getting plenty of water for next years crop of all those gorgeous > apples!! > Who knows, maybe the rain will discourage all those druggies & winos > sleeping on the sidewalks in the park area by the space needle! And yes, > Virginia, all cities have them.!!!! > Bettye (in dusty Texas!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > > > > You 'finally' got rain and we are about to drown with 24 days of rainfall > > and still coming down! > > > > Virginia in Seattle > > > > > > > >> That's good news :) > >> > >> > >> > We finally got some rain around here and I think the fire is out on the > >> > mountain. > >> > TJ > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > >> > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > >> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > >> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > >> > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Oh gosh send some of that here. I seen on the weather channel and wonder how much more you guys can take it. tJ You 'finally' got rain and we are about to drown with 24 days of rainfall and still coming down! Virginia in Seattle > That's good news :) > > > > We finally got some rain around here and I think the fire is out on the > > mountain. > > TJ

Ok you didn't send it far enough Virginia...........we just got dumped on :( (So. Id) Alli > You 'finally' got rain and we are about to drown with 24 days of rainfall > and still coming down! > > Virginia in Seattle

But just think of all those apple trees over on the other side of the mtn. getting plenty of water for next years crop of all those gorgeous apples!! Who knows, maybe the rain will discourage all those druggies & winos sleeping on the sidewalks in the park area by the space needle! And yes, Virginia, all cities have them.!!!! Bettye (in dusty Texas!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > You 'finally' got rain and we are about to drown with 24 days of rainfall > and still coming down! > > Virginia in Seattle > > > >> That's good news :) >> >> >> > We finally got some rain around here and I think the fire is out on the >> > mountain. >> > TJ >> > >> > >> > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Fraud Index Number Each Nation will be assigned a Fraud Index Number. The Fraud Index Number is calculated by totaling the points assigned to each in a series of fraudulent acts. The Index Number ranges from -650- which is the worst ranking to -O- which is the best ranking. Organization 1)- Intertribal - Cherokee are not Intertribal. As the old saying goes Cherokees were: "Always conquerors never conquered." (50 points) Traditions 2)- Plastic Elders - Cherokee Elders receive their knowledge first hand through through oral tradition over a great many years not from books instantly. (35 points) 3)- Combines Mormon myth/American Nativism with Cherokee traditions especially that of the Myth of the White Jewish Cherokee/White Cherokee. (20 points) 4)- Have a "Beloved Woman" - This tradition is not Cherokee but was adapted from another nation in one instance by Cherokee living in a border region after Nancy Ward helped to warn the nation of an impending attack. Nancy Ward was the first and last "Beloved Woman" of the Cherokee Nation. (10 points) 5)- There are only seven Cherokee Clans: A-ni-gi-lo-hi (Long Hair, sometimes called the Twister, Wind or Strangers); A-ni-sa-ho-ni (Blue; also Panther or Wildcat 0r Bear); A-ni-wa-ya (Wolf); A-ni-go-te-ge-wi (Wild Potato or Savannah); A-ni-a-wi (Deer); A-ni-tsi-s-qua (Bird); A-ni-wo-di (Paint, Red Paint or War Paint). Any variation is not traditional. (45 points) 6)- Further the Myth of the Peaceful Cherokee (10 points). 7)- Plastic Names - the Cherokee have never collectively been to Hollywood. We never used Hollywood Indian names. (10 points) 8)- Buffalo Traditions - The Cherokee People never had buffalo traditions. Perhaps its because there were no great herds of buffalo crashing through the cliffs and dense woods in the Smokey Mountains. (10 points) 9)- Polygamy - Cherokee Traditions do not include traditions of Polygamy. John Ross' father-in-law said anyone with more than one wife should be shot hung and quartered, or something to that effect. (10 points) 10)- Sacrificing the integrity of Traditional Cherokee medicine by allowing non-Cherokee or non-family members into a sweat. (25 points) 11)- Using sweats for purposes of entertainment rather than for health reasons. (25 points) 12)- Vacation Indians - Cherokee nations, tribes, bands or clans do not exist in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Alaska, Hawaii, or Porte Rico unless a very large Cherokee Family went on vacation. (50 points) Spirituality 13)- Plastic Shamans - If the spiritual leader is called the Shaman there is a problem since Cherokee are not from Siberia and Shamans are. (5 points) 14)- Cherokee Spiritual Leaders do not lead in ceremonies taken from books especially Mooney's Sacred Formulas of the Cherokee. (25 points) " 15)- Non-Cherokees in the Circle - Cherokee Spiritual leaders do not allow it. (25 points) 16)- Non-Cherokees praying in the Circle - Cherokee Spiritual leaders do not allow it. (25 points) 17)- Cherokee Spiritual leaders do not allow Felons convicted under the Right of Blood to enter the Circle or pray in the Circle. This is because Felons according to the Right of Blood would have been killed and are thus dead to the Cherokee People. (25 points) 18)- Mixes Non-Cherokee "American Indian" beliefs with Cherokee Spirituality especially sweats, sundances, ghostdances, potlatches and longhouse traditions . (50 points) 19)- Mixes Mormon myth with Cherokee Spirituality. (25 points) 20)- Mixes Judaism with Cherokee Spirituality. (25 points) Leadership 21)- Leader is the "traditional Cherokee emperor." (50 points) 22)- Leader is a "Hereditary Chief" - Cherokees traditionally elected leaders every 52 moons. (25 points) 23)- Council of Elders acts as the Council. - Cherokee Elders provide advice and teach the people their traditions. They do not rule the Nation. (25 points) 24)- Any association with known non-Cherokee Frauds. (45 points) From the Archives of Blue Panther

part of Indian museum? Ruth