I believe it is. Alli :) >i thought lavender was a herb.anna

Susan, for FYI, I recently turned 74! But there were no schools for Native American children in my area, so I didn't learn about such tragedies until I was in my mid 30's and had moved to Texas. At that time my husband was working with with a young Cherokee that had been raised and educated in schools in Oklahoma and I learned all I had known from him until I learned I had Indian heritage buried in my ancestry about 7 years ago and began my searches. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Dabbs" <4him@1st.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] boarding schools >I read a book about boarding schools for the Native children. I was shocked > in the abuse boys and girls went through. I read about the rapes and > beating > these children had done, and not much to any teaching reading, writing, or > math was tought. And all of this was to remove the indian out of these > kids. > This is just wrong. > > At a gathering I went to a woman not sure of her age told me the nuns took > a > ruler and beat her hands for speaking her language. > > I think some of the people here are older then I am. Im 42. Some of what I > read, was before i could walk or born. I love to read these stories of the > elders and learn of there past. > > Sue > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

I know where a young mother was tricked into giving up her son. I was told she was framed and you name it. This couple that took the baby boy from the young girl where her foster parents. Now, boy is 22 or 23 has a baby girl and a wonderful girlfriend and the couple I am keeping my eye on because if I even think that they are attempting to take the child from the girlfiend I am contacting someone in the Powtawatmi tribe and getting something done. Let's say the true grandma has one heck of a story to tell. TJ

I have been told there were always women warriors and that some men cooked, Ruth

There were Beloved Women and sometimes it was optional for them to travel with their men. The most famous of all Beloved Women in the ancient Cherokee was Nanyi-hi...aka Nancy Ward. Her first husband was Kingfisher. He was killed during a battle. Nancy took over in his place and earned the title Beloved Woman. I am not so sure about who did the cooking but I'd assume it would have been, in the majority, the women. They owned the home, raised the children etc. The men were the hunter, gatherers and were 'expendable'. Joyce G. Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Dabbs" <4him@1st.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] woman warriors > Where there any woman warriors among the Native People???? > > > Did any of the Native male do any cooking for the family? > > Wado > > Sue > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Sorry for sending the same email about woman warriors. My email for outlook express decided to work on Friday the 13. It has not worked in 4 days. sue

Sure am glad I took a few days off==now I need some rest with all this mail today== A person could get eye strain today SHADOW BEAR

LOL We can't let Dan be right all the time........his head will start to swell & he'll get cocky :) Alli :) > Look what you started, Alli! If, I'd of stayed out of it, Dan would have > been right all along! Ooops. > > Virginia

Oh I know there's a big difference between the lilacs & lavender bushes. I've never seen a lavender bush get as tall as a Lilac & I've only seen the Lilac tree's in pictures. What you've got sounds beautiful & neat. Maybe when we move to a house of our own (buying) then we'll plant something like that. but for now, we'll just enjoy the Lilac bush that the landlady had planted prior to us moving in. Outside of planting flowers & keeping the weeds down at this place, we're not going to do much w/the landscape. I'm tired of improving a rental's appearance & value & moving out & it going to crap. done that w/every home I've rented & afterwards the next people let it go. Heck my own mother in law did it too. Grr. But someday :0) Alli > Alli, there is such a big difference between the lovely Lilacs and the > lavender bush. There was a Lilac tree (and I can't remember if it had a > "special name" or not) that was huge - large enough for kids to climb in - > and it bloomed only a short time in late summer, then there is a "rose of > Sharon" that is also called a lilac bush/tree by some - and they can be > any color from pure white with red centers to pinks, lavenders, rose eveb > a blueish color - all with the red center. Then there is a Texas Sage > that can get quite tall and has these tiny little burst of lavender on the > limb tips that are fragrant, and then lastly that I know of is a lavender > bush/plant. My son potted one of this for me a couple of years ago. It > died down in the fall after a frost, but it bordered on just being a > flower. > The first lilac I mentioned had flower clusters that formed a cluster > that was shaped like a cluster of grapes. Oh, and the wisteria vine/tree > has a gorgeous dark lavender flower clusters. > Bettye

Look what you started, Alli! If, I'd of stayed out of it, Dan would have been right all along! Ooops. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > I knew lavender could grow into a small type bush & I've seen pictures of > Lilac trees > > But in our case...its a small-medium lilac bush > Alli :) > > > Hmm first time I hear this. > > Guess I do not know much about bushy plants <G> > > > > Dan M > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

lavender is a low growing bush. I don't think they get any taller than about 30-40" tall at the most, although they spread out and can be equally as big around. The flowers sort of 'spike out' from the main plant. The leaves are long, narrow and cover the stems like pine needles only they are flatter, wider and softer than a pine needle. Like most bushes they are kind of 'woodie' branches, maybe as much as an inch around at the base. However, they are definitely not a tree. Could never be confused for one, even if it wee never trimmed back. Also, unlike the lilac tree, it blooms all summer with fragrant flowers. Depending on the variety, they can look like a flower on the end of a small woven looking base, or they can actually be a bunch of tiny roundish petals that sort of resemble a long spike. I will try to remember to send some close up pictures this spring when mine bloom. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > I thought we were talking about a tree about the size of a lilac bush ? > I saw all the flowers, seen them before on this website. > I forgot about all the lavender fragrances and oils too. > So is the a lavender type tree/bush or all they flowers ? > > > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > > > > http://www.purplehazelavender.com/varieties.html > > > > Try this site. It doesn't give a real good picture of the size the plants > > can reach, but there are some pictures here. > > Two years ago, one of mine had reached a diameter of about 5' across and > the > > flowers were spiking at about the same height. The plant itself was maybe > > 30 to 42" high. I cut it back in the early spring of last year (should > have > > cut it back in the fall), this year it will probably be about half of the > > size it was when I cut it. They love direct sun and that was the biggest > of > > my lavender plants. The others were smaller, not as much sun. > > > > Virginia in Seattle > > ======================> > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Thanks for your wonderful stories Ruth

We had the trees, they were almost up to the top of our 2 story house when I was a kid, I could get out the window and it would bow under my weight, I could hang on until I was close enough to jump. Then it would wish back up. Think I was 6 then. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > Alli, there is such a big difference between the lovely Lilacs and the > lavender bush. There was a Lilac tree (and I can't remember if it had a > "special name" or not) that was huge - large enough for kids to climb in - > and it bloomed only a short time in late summer, ===================================

You said "" But the grass, fruit tree & lavender bush are loving it as is the Pine tree LOL "" So I was wondering if Lavender was also in bushes or if you meant ( lilac )? I read what you said, but I was wondering if it was what you meant <grin> Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > I said that...... > Can't you read my writing yet? > LOL > Yes, Lilac :) > > Alli > > lavender bush ?? You mean Lilacs ?? > > > > > > Dan M > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I thought we were talking about a tree about the size of a lilac bush ? I saw all the flowers, seen them before on this website. I forgot about all the lavender fragrances and oils too. So is the a lavender type tree/bush or all they flowers ? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > http://www.purplehazelavender.com/varieties.html > > Try this site. It doesn't give a real good picture of the size the plants > can reach, but there are some pictures here. > Two years ago, one of mine had reached a diameter of about 5' across and the > flowers were spiking at about the same height. The plant itself was maybe > 30 to 42" high. I cut it back in the early spring of last year (should have > cut it back in the fall), this year it will probably be about half of the > size it was when I cut it. They love direct sun and that was the biggest of > my lavender plants. The others were smaller, not as much sun. > > Virginia in Seattle > ======================>

Alli, there is such a big difference between the lovely Lilacs and the lavender bush. There was a Lilac tree (and I can't remember if it had a "special name" or not) that was huge - large enough for kids to climb in - and it bloomed only a short time in late summer, then there is a "rose of Sharon" that is also called a lilac bush/tree by some - and they can be any color from pure white with red centers to pinks, lavenders, rose eveb a blueish color - all with the red center. Then there is a Texas Sage that can get quite tall and has these tiny little burst of lavender on the limb tips that are fragrant, and then lastly that I know of is a lavender bush/plant. My son potted one of this for me a couple of years ago. It died down in the fall after a frost, but it bordered on just being a flower. The first lilac I mentioned had flower clusters that formed a cluster that was shaped like a cluster of grapes. Oh, and the wisteria vine/tree has a gorgeous dark lavender flower clusters. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain > I said that...... > Can't you read my writing yet? LOL > Yes, Lilac :) > > Alli >> lavender bush ?? You mean Lilacs ?? >> >> >> Dan M > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/12/2006 4:19:58 PM Central Standard Time, wb@wvi.com writes: Hmm first time I hear this. Guess I do not know much about bushy plants <G> Dan M ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My liliacs have been here for over 34 years and they are only still bushes and I don't trim them. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Friendship Friendship ... long ago back when people were given their first instrument, the drum, there was singing, playing, pounding and listening to Mother's heart beat (drum). They were rejoicing and feeling the joy of living. All of the birds and things gathered around to listen. They too wanted to join in, so bad, to the joy of this song. The word was given that the next day, the birds would be given song. The one that could fly the highest would be given the most beautiful song of all. That night they were all anticipating the day to see who would fly the highest. There was a little bird with wings about an inch long or so. His heart was just bursting out wanting to sing in joy. He knew he couldn't with his little wings so that night he crept up and snuck up under the wing of the great eagle and he stayed there. When the new day came they started out. The eagle just bounded up and started to fly. He started to fly with great strength and courage. He was aware of this little bird under his wing but he paid no attention he just moved upward and upward. Then soon all the birds had been left behind. He still carried that little one higher, higher and higher. They were way up and clean out of sight. The eagle's heart gave all the strength that he had in his wings and he lifted his wings with one last great thrust. Then that little bird leaped out, fluttered up a little bit higher and they both came down, down to earth. So the little bird flew higher than the eagle. The Creator blessed it with the most beautiful song. The great bird that carried him up so high that he touched the heart of Creator has been blessed ever since too. But the little bird felt shame and remorse. He didn't really understand the love of Creator even though he had his song in his heart. That little bird up north, you might hear him, he will be way back in the thickets by himself. He is called the Hermit Thrush. He shares a very special place in the heart of Creator and a very special bond with the great eagle. >From the archives Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

I knew lavender could grow into a small type bush & I've seen pictures of Lilac trees But in our case...its a small-medium lilac bush Alli :) > Hmm first time I hear this. > Guess I do not know much about bushy plants <G> > > Dan M

In a message dated 1/12/2006 3:29:31 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I airways say this ==No more of those trips no more of those meals at those meals along the hiway ==I have to pick out some things==like mash potatoes==beans &cornbread==soup etc.Have any one here eat at Mcdonld.?I could eat fish or salad -no bread ==That is not my favorite place==it rained all the way there==They had Cow business and It took a long time for them to finish talking== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I do not like to eat out and Mc Donald's is sure not on my list. I would rather have a good old pot of soup and a pan of cornbread. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America