Theory only so think if the Cherokee were the lost tribe of the Hebrew and came over the land bridge way up north - what were they doing that far north on the other side in the first place. What did they use for a guide, and why is the east side of America Cherokee territory if they were on the west coast first and that time period. ok you scholars out there answer this one. Dan M

Do husbands and wives always get along? Siblings? Fighting is just a part of life. It is how we react to it, that is important. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > Inside or outside there is fighting..........Suppose to be 1, suppose to > stand together. but a lot have lost the ways of their ancestor's & lost the > path of their ancestor's, so they have become like any other person. > Struggling to find their identity, struggling to become as one, trying to be > right all of the time and no more listening > > Alli :( > > =============================================================== > > Why do the people living in the nation fight each other. I do not > > understand this. > > Are we not 1 people????? > > > > Barb sc > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I talked with a lot of Cherokee while I was in K.C. they opened my eyes==seems like they fight each other not just whites==They could not believe that alot of Cherokee don't want to join them on the nation==I really gave them something more to think I told them I don't want to live there all so==told them the main reason is out here we don't have to fight==inside the nation you have to take sides and fight about it SHADOW BEAR

Hope ya got it fixed. You made need it to get to higher ground.......................unless of course the 'higher ground' is sliding downward. Row row row your boat.................... Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Talking > We have the same rain. > Yesterday I was out in it all day, I had to put an alt on my truck, under > the radiator and almost had to move the motor mount, then a manifold gasket, > I had to do it 2 times, because I needed thinker one so added 2 in there. > All in the rain and a dirt drive way, got real muddy too . > We are getting the same rain here, never stops. > Dan M >

Sorry about not talking==kinda let things slide around here==then I had? to go with them for a ride==K.C.is suppose to be a great place for food for me it isn't==I did see a lot of raw steak well burned on both sides==every sense they found fire I have wanted my food cooked==Sun is really shining ==hope it stays all day SHADOW BEAR

Sorry about not talking==kinda let things slide around here==then I had? to go with them for a ride==K.C.is suppose to be a great place for food for me it isn't==I did see a lot of raw steak well burned on both sides==every sense they found fire I have wanted my food cooked==Sun is really shining ==hope it stays all day SHADOW BEAR

Hurrah Shadowbear!!!! Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Fighting > Something to think about==The year starts inthe winter==So we are in a > newyear spring maybe==the fighting of last year has been forgoten now is > a new beginning==so let's start something new > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I would like to know when and how the Cherokee started making hogans instead of ti pi's Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Fighting > Something to think about==The year starts inthe winter==So we are in a > newyear spring maybe==the fighting of last year has been forgoten now is > a new beginning==so let's start something new > > SHADOW BEAR >

We have the same rain. Yesterday I was out in it all day, I had to put an alt on my truck, under the radiator and almost had to move the motor mount, then a manifold gasket, I had to do it 2 times, because I needed thinker one so added 2 in there. All in the rain and a dirt drive way, got real muddy too . We are getting the same rain here, never stops. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Talking > SUN??? What does that look like? > 27 days of rain and we're still counting. I hope the boat will still float, > the animals are lining up. > > Virginia in Seattle > =========================

Alli, You can actually plant them in containers so you could take them with you. I have seen people to that. They smell soooooooooooo good. Then pick them up and move them to/or into your new yard. They are pretty hardy. They do like sun though. There are two kinds and two colors of each, I don't pay a lot of attention to which is which, but the I 'think' the English lavender is a bit more sensitive. The short of this is that one type didn't do as well when I planted it as the other one did. One took off, the other one needs some nursing this year and tender loving attention so I can get it to grow up and be big too. They are beautiful. I will try to take some pictures this summer when they bloom. Bought a raincoat for my camera, but there are no flowers at the moment anyway. Gotta go, Virginia (checking out my boat) in Seattle

When I first started genealogy. I was told by some one " You are my cousin once removed" So new in genealogy not knowing terms yet. I said " so who put me back? ""~) Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > that's it remove them not you lol > =====================

SUN??? What does that look like? 27 days of rain and we're still counting. I hope the boat will still float, the animals are lining up. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Talking > Sorry about not talking==kinda let things slide around here==then I had? > to go with them for a ride==K.C.is suppose to be a great place for food > for me it isn't==I did see a lot of raw steak well burned on both > sides==every sense they found fire I have wanted my food cooked==Sun is > really shining ==hope it stays all day > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Dan, I think it is just a 'people' trait to want to argue............most seem to take offense to 'something' just for the sake of argument. Wish I had a delete button on (like that EASY button that Staples advertises) sometimes. I'm too old to want to fight over "the color green"! Who cares? You just keep on doing what your doing. The list is good. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > Shadobear. > In the last 10 years I have had list groups rather than before on the old > Commodore computer I had BBS groups, back 20 years, people have to fight. > Even here, all are supposed to have Cherokee in mind and blood, many > fight the other time and time again. And they can be rude to the list owner > too <G> > I wonder if this is a Cherokee trait to fight each other over every thing > said ? > > I dont post much any more > and I wont - > since the tearing of one called Spirit wolf > who was here, > I no longer feel like I want to talk much here. > There are too many like that person who shows disrespect of the true people. > > Dan M > www.wvi.com/~wb > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:57 AM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > > > > I talked with a lot of Cherokee while I was in K.C. they opened my > > eyes==seems like they fight each other not just whites==They could not > > believe that alot of Cherokee don't want to join them on the nation==I > > really gave them something more to think I told them I don't want to > > live there all so==told them the main reason is out here we don't have > > to fight==inside the nation you have to take sides and fight about it > > > > SHADOW BEAR > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

wado,Ruth

grammaL You of most people have seem me attacked so many times on more than one list. And also the fact that ( you ) are just about the only one who responds to most of my defense and posts over the years. You are one person who can understand why I am shy to post any more, with all those people in the past who I had problems with - Now - I just remove them from lists so they do not have to argue <=> any one. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <GLewis2035@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > > In a message dated 1/14/2006 12:12:19 PM Central Standard Time, > wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: > > Even here, all are supposed to have Cherokee in mind and blood, many > fight the other time and time again. And they can be rude to the list owner > too <G> > > =======================

Dunno whats fair any more. All I know is I keep getting jumped on about things I post that ( are) on the web or in writing, so I stopped. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > Dan is that fair to the ones who are true and honest Ruth > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ====

Shadobear. In the last 10 years I have had list groups rather than before on the old Commodore computer I had BBS groups, back 20 years, people have to fight. Even here, all are supposed to have Cherokee in mind and blood, many fight the other time and time again. And they can be rude to the list owner too <G> I wonder if this is a Cherokee trait to fight each other over every thing said ? I dont post much any more and I wont - since the tearing of one called Spirit wolf who was here, I no longer feel like I want to talk much here. There are too many like that person who shows disrespect of the true people. Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Who Is Indian? > I talked with a lot of Cherokee while I was in K.C. they opened my > eyes==seems like they fight each other not just whites==They could not > believe that alot of Cherokee don't want to join them on the nation==I > really gave them something more to think I told them I don't want to > live there all so==told them the main reason is out here we don't have > to fight==inside the nation you have to take sides and fight about it > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Friendship of Tortoise and Eagle A Central African Tale It was not often that the tortoise and the eagle met, for the one spent his days in the clouds and the other in the under a bush. However, when the eagle heard what a warm-hearted little fellow the tortoise was, he went to pay a call on him. The tortoise family showed such pleasure in his company and fed him so lavishly that the eagle returned again and again, while every time as he flew away he laughed, "Ha, ha! I can enjoy the hospitality of the tortoise on the ground but he can never reach my eyrie in the tree-top!" The eagle's frequent visits, his selfishness and ingratitude became the talk of the forest animals. The eagle and the frog were never on speaking terms, for the eagle was accustomed to swooping down to carry a frog home for supper. So the frog called from the stream bank, "Friend tortoise, give me beans and I will give you wisdom." After enjoying the bowl of beans the frog said, "Friend tortoise, the eagle is abusing your kindness, for after every visit he flies away laughing, 'Ha ha! I can enjoy the hospitality of the tortoise on the ground but he can never enjoy mine, for my eyrie is in the tree-tops.' Next time the eagle visits you, say, 'Give me a gourd, and I will send food to your wife and children too'." The eagle brought a gourd, enjoyed a feast, and as he left he called back, "I will call later for the present for my wife." The eagle flew away laughing to himself as usual, "Ha ha! I have enjoyed the tortoise's food, but he can never come to my eyrie to taste of mine." The frog arrived and said, "Now, tortoise, get into the gourd. Your wife will cover you over with fresh food and the eagle will carry you to his home in the treetops." Presently the eagle returned. The tortoise's wife told him, "My husband is away but he left this gourd filled with food for your family." The eagle flew away with the gourd, little suspecting that the tortoise was inside. The tortoise could hear every word as he laughed, "Ha! ha! I share the tortoise's food but he can never visit my eyrie to share mine." As the gourd was emptied out onto the eagle's eyrie, the tortoise crawled from it and said, "Friend eagle, you have so often visited my home that I thought it would be nice to enjoy the hospitality of yours." The eagle was furious. "I will peck the flesh from your bones," he said. But he only hurt his beak against the tortoise's hard back. Reposted with Permission from DawnWolf >From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

You're right. It is. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] lavender > I believe it is. > Alli :) > > >i thought lavender was a herb.anna

i thought lavender was a herb.anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rain >I thought we were talking about a tree about the size of a lilac bush ? > I saw all the flowers, seen them before on this website. > I forgot about all the lavender fragrances and oils too. > So is the a lavender type tree/bush or all they flowers ? > > > Dan M >