In a message dated 1/14/2006 4:33:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: and he cared not one bit about time by that time the white mans ============================================================ When the sun rises the day begins, When the sun is high, it is time to eat and maybe rest a little. When the sun starts to set it is time to go home have evening meal and chat. When the sun is gone, now is time for sleep. Why have a watch barb sc

I may buy some this year. I have a section on the south side of the house that I didn't get a chance to plant last year (or last 4) so I may get some fragrant flowers/small rooted bushes to plant there. don't have much area for pots......but it might be safer to have them in pots where they won't easily be tromped on by the dogs or kids as my other plants are already LOL Alli :) > Alli, > > You can actually plant them in containers so you could take them with you. > I have seen people to that. They smell soooooooooooo good. Then pick > them > up and move them to/or into your new yard. They are pretty hardy. They do > like sun though. > > There are two kinds and two colors of each, I don't pay a lot of > attention > to which is which, but the I 'think' the English lavender is a bit more > sensitive. The short of this is that one type didn't do as well when I > planted it as the other one did. One took off, the other one needs some > nursing this year and tender loving attention so I can get it to grow up > and > be big too. > > They are beautiful. I will try to take some pictures this summer when > they > bloom. Bought a raincoat for my camera, but there are no flowers at the > moment anyway. Gotta go, > > Virginia (checking out my boat) in Seattle > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Barb.sc==I'm not sure what she means==there is or was a caste system built in to our ways ==the warriors were above every one all you had to ask they would tell you==the bad indians?just don't tell the clan SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/14/2006 2:50:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: camp with tee-pees==the Cherokee had to move many times but we were not nomads== ================================================================== My mother told me Cherokee were farmers. Mostly, only moved when pushed. Barb sc

Barb sc==You have said what I try to say==Thank you==Every one complains about the weather==here it has been just about perfect all year==we will have many bugs and weeds this year so start rolling your sleeves SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/14/2006 3:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: We must remember even if people are fighting we can listen and learn but if you put your words in this fighting you will learn nothing ============================================================== You go shadow Bear very very well said. Barb sc

Other stories I hear is this Chief said That ==that chief said this and so on==just when did these chiefs have time to sit on the curb and say these things?==I think at the times we are talking about their words would not be written==Those bad words would not ever be heard SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/14/2006 1:59:38 PM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: Hey what am I chopped liver? Nope, You be the greatest gal we could ever expect to find standing by our side crying and laughing with us. Love you, grandma

I wonder how many people question these stories that start with this(Chief Seattle Fri.13.sept.1880 at 2:00 in the afternoon or any time) Don't you every wonder who decided it was that time because the indian didn't have a watch and he cared not one bit about time by that time the white mans watch had stopped and he only cared about getting out of there SHADOW BEAR

Sounds like a GREAT idea Alli :) > Something to think about==The year starts inthe winter==So we are in a > newyear spring maybe==the fighting of last year has been forgoten now is > a new beginning==so let's start something new > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

HUH? Who says you talk too much? Sorry to hear of the family loss.......Prayers are on the wind for your family. I agree w/what you've said... Alli > Maybe when I do talk I say too much but I speak from the heart with those > I > care about. We lost an elderly cousin this week and it has bee difficult. > She > was a good woman. I am emotional at this time. We tease Dan a lot and > playfully pick on him but he is a wonderfull careing man and knows when > we are > playing. I love him as a brother. Times have been hard for most of us. > His > problem is , he knows how to comfort others but his heart doesn't know > how to > be comforted even when he has done the best he can do. He spends much > time in > grief and kind of shuts us out. I am scolding him for not letting us be > with him when the going gets rough. grandma > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I agree :) Alli > Dan, > > I think it is just a 'people' trait to want to argue............most seem > to > take offense to 'something' just for the sake of argument. Wish I had a > delete button on (like that EASY button that Staples advertises) > sometimes. > I'm too old to want to fight over "the color green"! Who cares? > You just keep on doing what your doing. The list is good. > > Virginia in Seattle

In a message dated 1/14/2006 1:38:04 PM Central Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: I would like to know when and how the Cherokee started making hogans instead of ti pi's Dan M This I have not researched but do know that the hogans were used more in the winter and there were some that were very close to the councel houses. grandma

In a message dated 1/14/2006 1:26:17 PM Central Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: " You are my cousin once removed" So new in genealogy not knowing terms yet. I said " so who put me back? ""~) _________----- hahahaha Yes, that is how I feel. I wonder sometimes if I got put in the correct place. grandma

I have a Cherokee friend raised in the old ways and he is not one to like being around many people for long at a time. He does not like arguments or to see others mistreating their people. He feels like the way of the ancient ones was a simple and good life. So while there is much he cannot tell me his way of life reads like an open book. He says when you live with the bad things all around you , all the time that it effects the way you think and the way you act. grandma

Maybe when I do talk I say too much but I speak from the heart with those I care about. We lost an elderly cousin this week and it has bee difficult. She was a good woman. I am emotional at this time. We tease Dan a lot and playfully pick on him but he is a wonderfull careing man and knows when we are playing. I love him as a brother. Times have been hard for most of us. His problem is , he knows how to comfort others but his heart doesn't know how to be comforted even when he has done the best he can do. He spends much time in grief and kind of shuts us out. I am scolding him for not letting us be with him when the going gets rough. grandma

We must remember even if people are fighting we can listen and learn but if you put your words in this fighting you will learn nothing SHADOW BEAR

The Cherokee were notpeople of the plains==so we had a feather hanging maybe two but never up remember we were from the woods==tall feathers would not stay very long== SHADOW BEAR

Dan the cherokee never had tee-pees==only reason we say tee-pee is people know what we are talking about==we can not take the time to tell about tee-pees were only for nomads there is very long stories of making camp with tee-pees==the Cherokee had to move many times but we were not nomads== SHADOW BEAR

In a message dated 1/14/2006 12:35:39 PM Central Standard Time, GLewis2035@aol.com writes: Yes, my dear one and You are right to remove them from your lists , You are NOT right when your silence fall those who love and care about you. Once they are gone from the list let them go from the mind so we can have you back. When the Chief leaves the village we all suffer. grandma