I learned when I went to a Monacan Gathering what Indian time is.We were invited to the pepe ceremony and I asked what time we should be there. Answer when it is time. That answer adled the white part of my brain foe sure. All day I fretted over it I didn't want to be late. About 3 I could stand no more so we went to the lodge. There were two people there but within seconds there were many. The Elder smiled and said see Indian time When the spirit moves you and spirit is never wrong.Ruth

In a message dated 1/15/2006 11:54:14 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Barb sc.==And a good morning to you==the sun is trying to come from behind the clouds ==the temp. suppose to be maybe 60 SHADOW BEAR At 1:34 it is 64 degrees here in Oklahoma and windy. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/15/2006 11:03:21 AM Central Standard Time, iamcheroke@filertel.com writes: I'll cook it........but I ain't gonna eat it :) alli My whole group likes liver and onions. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/15/2006 10:10:38 AM Central Standard Time, M0untainWindS0ng@aol.com writes: thanx for the story.Here in the beautiful mountains of WV snow on ground sun shining brightly and birds feasting on the feeders.I love to watch them Ruth I want beautiful snow here in fire ridden Oklahoma. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Thank you for the site. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Hi Shadow, this one I am wanting to hear about! You've had some rather clever come backs. So, please do tell us what indian time is. .. .. .I'm betting it is whatever time he wants it to be! Did you ever own a "Big Ben" brand pocket watch? My younger brother had one that our great uncle gave to him when he was maybe 5 or 6 years old. These pocket watches cost a dollar in the five and ten cent stores in the 30's and even into the early 40's; however, my brother got his in the late 1930's when he was a constant companion of the great uncle and he felt grown up pulling his watch out and checking the time as if he could tell time just mimicking the great uncle. Brother and the watch were taken to a cotton gin by the great uncle and brother was allowed to play in the cotton being made ready to gin - and the watch fell out of his pocket and went through the ginning process. Gone you ask? Not on your life as the uncle made the gin people tear that bale of cotton up until they found that pocket watch, and just like today's "Timex watches" - it kept on ticking! Brother eventually lost his prize watch. But it does provide for a fond memory of the watch and also the great uncle who died in 1945. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Watch > Dan==ever hear of indian time? > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

SGI Shadowbear, that is profound and an absolute truth. Sgi, Osda Elisti Nigadv, Griz ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Watch > What is a watch? Now I will answer your question==A watch is a big > round thing that a white man wears on his back==he always has to know > the time sometimes he has someone tell him what is time it is==he has to > catch the bus==or watch tv==orbe some place at a given time always==has > to eat at a given time=go to sleep at a given time==why does the indian > laugh at the white man==the indian never has to be anyplace at a certain > time > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

This is greatly appreciated, it sums up for me what spirituality is, may I pass it on to others ? Sgi, Osda Elisti Nigadv, Griz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tjfuji@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] so let's start something new > Spritual power is really a distinctive kind of knowledge, like the key > that > opens the door, or the switch that starts the energy moving, it is that > special insight that we need to break up the jam of knowledge. > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Barb nc.==did you ever think about this==when everyone gets up they are also in a very beautiful place SHADOW BEAR

Barb sc.==And a good morning to you==the sun is trying to come from behind the clouds ==the temp. suppose to be maybe 60 SHADOW BEAR

You're right on that one, Bettye. Morning afternoon or evening.................I have friends that live on the Tulalip Rez. We get together when ever everyone gets there. We are always on "Indian time". Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Watch > Hi Shadow, this one I am wanting to hear about! You've had some rather > clever come backs. So, please do tell us what indian time is. .. .. .I'm > betting it is whatever time he wants it to be! > Did you ever own a "Big Ben" brand pocket watch? My younger brother had > one that our great uncle gave to him when he was maybe 5 or 6 years old. > These pocket watches cost a dollar in the five and ten cent stores in the > 30's and even into the early 40's; however, my brother got his in the late > 1930's when he was a constant companion of the great uncle and he felt grown > up pulling his watch out and checking the time as if he could tell time > just mimicking the great uncle. Brother and the watch were taken to a > cotton gin by the great uncle and brother was allowed to play in the cotton > being made ready to gin - and the watch fell out of his pocket and went > through the ginning process. Gone you ask? Not on your life as the uncle > made the gin people tear that bale of cotton up until they found that pocket > watch, and just like today's "Timex watches" - it kept on ticking! Brother > eventually lost his prize watch. But it does provide for a fond memory of > the watch and also the great uncle who died in 1945. > Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:52 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Watch > > > > Dan==ever hear of indian time? > > > > SHADOW BEAR > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

thanx for the story.Here in the beautiful mountains of WV snow on ground sun shining brightly and birds feasting on the feeders.I love to watch them Ruth

The ten Indian commandments. 1) Treat the earth and all that dwell thereon with respect. 2) Remain close to the Great Spirit. 3) Show great respect for your fellow beings. 4) Work together for the benefit of all mankind. 5) Give assistance and kindness wherever needed. 6) Do what you know to be right. 7) Look after the well-being of mind and body. 8) Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good. 9) Be truthful and honest at all times. 10)Take full responsibility for your actions. Touched by Greatness: Native American meditation Native American meditation _6 comments_ (http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v164/__show_article/_a000164-000011.htm#comments) 27 Nov 2002 @ 07:52, by Tina Hudgell I salute the light within your eyes where the whole universe dwells; for when you are at that center within you, and I am at that place within me, we shall be one. ~ Crazy Horse, Lakota. When you arise in the morning, give thanks for your strength and life...for your food and the joy of living. ~ Tecumseh shooting star, Shawnee. May it be beautiful before me, may it be beautiful behind me, may it be beautiful above me, may it be beautiful all around me, in beauty, it is finished; in beauty it is finished. ~ Traditional Dinah (Navajo) chant. Everything on earth has a purpose... every person, a mission. ~ Mourning Dove/Christine Quinasket, Salish. You will notice that everything an Indian does is in a circle, that is because the power of the world works in circles. Everything tries to be round. ~ Black Elk, Oglala. I see the earth, I see the earth, and smile, she makes me happy, the earth sees me, the earth sees me and smiles. May I walk, walk happily, walk happily and lightly upon her. What is life? it is the flash of the firefly in the night, it is the breath of the buffalo, it is the little shadow that runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our Mother, whatever befalls the earth, befalls our sons and daughters of the earth, if men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves, this we know, the earth does not belong to us, we belong to the earth, this we know, all things are connected, like the blood that unites one family, all things are connected. We did not weave the web of life, we are merely a strand in it. whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. Spritual power is really a distinctive kind of knowledge, like the key that opens the door, or the switch that starts the energy moving, it is that special insight that we need to break up the jam of knowledge.

I'll cook it........but I ain't gonna eat it :) alli > Fresher the better..... > Gotta be cooked hot and quick like Elk or Buff. > Sgi, > Osda Elisti Nigadv, > Griz

In a message dated 1/15/2006 8:32:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 4him@1st.net writes: wish she was still around now I might be able to understand what she was telling me. I am going to be 43 in eight mo. and I'm still learning about the Cherokee. This site helps out alot. ============================================================ My mother when she talked of Cherokee it was always in the 3rd party. She would say "My mother was Cherokee," or "Your grandmother was Cherokee" I always thought that a little odd. If her mother was Cherokee, so would be her daughter........ Someone told me that many times when one is removed from the culture living as white they feel they do not belong anymore and remove themselves from "being Cherokee" My grandmother died before I was born and never was able to meet relatives that might speak more of our heritage than my Mother did. She only spoke of these things in a time of wistfulness or if I asked. It is a shame that so much of the heritage has been lost to so many. I am grateful there are still many though that remember and practice the heritage and are willing to share the knowledge. Question Sue your address name 4 Him does this mean For HIM ????? Barb sc

In a message dated 1/14/2006 8:42:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, vdach@gte.net writes: Bettye Woodhull Hi Bettye, My hubby is related to Woodhulls her in Arkansas. His grandma was a Woodhull. Tammy

Frog and Blue Jay - Nez Perce Frog had a smooth pole set in the ground, and with it he had devised a means of killing off all the birds. A race would be run up this pole, and whoever got to the top first would cut off the other one's head. The pole leaned a little; and Frog would get on the upper side, and make the opponent get on the under side. Thus Frog continued to win races for a long time, and managed to kill off many birds. Coyote was in this camp. He became afraid that Frog was going to kill off all the birds. So Coyote gave a big feast, and invited every one to attend. He wanted the people to work out a plan to get the best of Frog; but every one was afraid to run him a race. After a scheme had been devised, Bluejay (kuyeskuyes) undertook the job; and Coyote made a speech, calling everybody to the pole, and announcing that there was to be a race between Frog and Bluejay. Now, little Frog became uneasy, and feared that Bluejay was going to win and then kill her. So when they were half way to the top, Frog tried to kick Bluejay off the pole. When they were nearly to the top, Bluejay used his wings and flew the rest of the way. He got to the top first. When Frog got to the top, Bluejay kicked her, and she fell to the ground and was killed. Ever since that race there have been no feathers on the side of Bluejay's face, because Frog had torn them all off when she tried to knock Bluejay from the pole. After the race was over, Coyote made a speech, saying, "Hereafter there will be frogs on the earth, but they will never hurt any one. People will hear the frogs singing, and then they will know that warm weather is coming." Nez Perce Tales, By Herbert J. Spinden, 1907 From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Sky is blue, sun is bright. The air is cold and crisp. My little 5 acres of South Carolina is alive with bird welcoming the new day. The woods are quite no sounds but the birds saying good morning. It is wonderful to live here in South Carolina. Barb sc

Barb, My grandmother tried to tell me stories and the ways of the Cherokee. My mom "white" would not allowed it. Grandmother has been gone for a long time, do wish she was still around now I might be able to understand what she was telling me. I am going to be 43 in eight mo. and I'm still learning about the Cherokee. This site helps out alot. Sue

Good morning Shadow Bear. I t is a beautiful sunny morning in south Carolina. Barb sc