Another wonder of the world==my family trying to get use to having horse someone brought a wagon to our place==you ever see all those leather straps the has to be put on a horse just so a wagon can be pulled==took me a long time before I could do it=some of our people said forget it SHADOW BEAR

Hi Anna, In Pennsylvania you had better have a license to fish or hunt or if you get caught it is a big fine. My husband got a fine for this one time. Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "anna wilson" <artyndn@cityscope.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors > my nephew says na dont have to have liscence to fish or hunt in us.anna in > houston > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors > > > > Cant go fishing license cost too much, and too many rules, take all summer > > to learn their rules, then they change em and you got to read them over > > <sigh> > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/17/2006 1:54:11 PM Central Standard Time, wb@valiant.wvi.com writes: Cant go fishing license cost too much, and too many rules, take all summer to learn their rules, then they change em and you got to read them over <sigh> Dan M Dan, When I turned 65 this year I sent in $6.00 for the rest of my life to fish and at Lake Chickasha I do not have to have a yearly permit any more. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

my nephew says na dont have to have liscence to fish or hunt in us.anna in houston ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors > Cant go fishing license cost too much, and too many rules, take all summer > to learn their rules, then they change em and you got to read them over > <sigh> > >

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already are............ So what's the improvement between then & now? Alli :) > Don't you think maybe the old ways were as good as today==than you would > be judged by what you done==how good of a hunter you was==how you made > clothes==how you made you garden==how your kids were-mean-willing to > learn-manners - your cooking-defender-provider for your tribe and your > family==now you are judged by what you have > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Cant go fishing license cost too much, and too many rules, take all summer to learn their rules, then they change em and you got to read them over <sigh> Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAPARHAM@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors > > > In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, > shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: > > I guess I'm going to show indian time==settle back and do like the army > ==smoke em if you got en ==think of your ancestors in a relaxed > way==live the times at thier pace not the times of today ==Don't you > think we should maybe go fishing some time tomorrow? > > SHADOW BEAR > > > Where do we meet? > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:34:38 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I guess I'm going to show indian time==settle back and do like the army ==smoke em if you got en ==think of your ancestors in a relaxed way==live the times at thier pace not the times of today ==Don't you think we should maybe go fishing some time tomorrow? SHADOW BEAR Where do we meet? Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:10:51 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Don't you think maybe the old ways were as good as today==than you would be judged by what you done==how good of a hunter you was==how you made clothes==how you made you garden==how your kids were-mean-willing to learn-manners - your cooking-defender-provider for your tribe and your family==now you are judged by what you have SHADOW BEAR ========================================================== This is so true everyone has to out do the others. I am happy just to have love, family, and enough to keep us warm and fed. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:51:30 AM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Some one mentioned some mules ==in our neck of the country I guess we used ozen more==those long horn cows from Texas I guess they were mean==you could work them all day and never make them sweat==The old ones told about the old days when they didn't have oxen sure was good to live in these modern times? SHADOW BEAR ========================================================= Shadowbear, My daddy preferred mules over horses. He always said that a mule will out work any horse and they would fend for themselves and a horse would just stand there and eat. I never knew of him using oxen, and never saw any in our area. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

I guess I'm going to show indian time==settle back and do like the army ==smoke em if you got en ==think of your ancestors in a relaxed way==live the times at thier pace not the times of today ==Don't you think we should maybe go fishing some time tomorrow? SHADOW BEAR

Don't you think maybe the old ways were as good as today==than you would be judged by what you done==how good of a hunter you was==how you made clothes==how you made you garden==how your kids were-mean-willing to learn-manners - your cooking-defender-provider for your tribe and your family==now you are judged by what you have SHADOW BEAR

Some one mentioned some mules ==in our neck of the country I guess we used ozen more==those long horn cows from Texas I guess they were mean==you could work them all day and never make them sweat==The old ones told about the old days when they didn't have oxen sure was good to live in these modern times? SHADOW BEAR

Just thought of something==my family was always on the look out for a bunch of men from the mormons==they were very much bad==always looking for people that run from salt lake city==most of the time if they thought you were mormon they would put a rope on your neck and pull you back to utah or shoot you==If I remember this right no one stopped them SHADOW BEAR

WHEN GREAT SPIRIT GEETS THROUGH FLUSHING RIVERS AND BAYS ON WEST COAST HE WILL SPARE RAIN FOR US AGAIN. ANNA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tjfuji@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Where is Everyone > Just got back from my route and it RAINED lightly but it rained. > Tammy >

I think Great Spirit is waiting to see if we are smart enough to build arks without being told to do so! Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "anna wilson" <artyndn@cityscope.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Where is Everyone > WHEN GREAT SPIRIT GEETS THROUGH FLUSHING RIVERS AND BAYS ON WEST COAST HE > WILL SPARE RAIN FOR US AGAIN. ANNA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tjfuji@aol.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Where is Everyone > > > > Just got back from my route and it RAINED lightly but it rained. > > Tammy > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/16/2006 7:22:57 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: That horse is a Morgan ==I went with them to Indiana so she could run off with her boyfriend for just a short time==that was a very pretty farm and the people were very nice SHADOW BEAR That is a beautiful horse, there is a big Morgan horse show in Oklahoma City each year. They are supposed to be good and gentle for children to ride. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/16/2006 7:12:06 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Across the fence there is a horse with a young one ==I guess they have broke her to weigh on her back==that crazy horse yells at me when she sees me and runs to the fence wanting a pear or apple==the little one will go to no one just stand there just out of reach SHADOW BEAR Sounds like she knows you will give her a treat. The little one will come eventually. I have my Daddy's mules and the will come to the fence for treats but they sure are not tame. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:51:08 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I have been talking now I have to see just what I can talk about==I think I know so==Would you believe I can remember the first time I was every on a row boat ==going fishing==Guess what? I didn't like it==of course I talked about it All the time we were fishing==I was never asked to go with them again=I still don't like fishing from a boat==I could tell about a gasoline lantern maybe later==just thinking about it still make me not like them==could be they are differant now==I can tell you if you get any that gasoline on you it made you stink bad all day SHADOW BEAR Shadowbear my friend who is Kiowa tells about how he has slept in a teepee saw a man go to the moon and it is stories like yours and his I love to hear. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Shadow Bear and all, I also remember the first boat I was ever in. I was 3 yrs. old. It was a wooden flatbottom fishing boat. The outside of the boat was a dark mossy green color from being in the lake for so many years. When I saw my first v-shaped aluminum bass boat I asked what kept the wooden boat from sinking (sure, wood 'floats')...but the simple statement was that when the boat was built and put in the water, the wood soaked up the water and swelled the pieces together, then the boat was brought back out of the water to dry. Wooden plugs were used to hold the wood together, not nails. After that, the boat floated because the wood swelled tight together and there were no leaks.....until many years later the wood would start to rot from being in the water for so many years. But of course each winter, all the boats were pulled out of the water so they would have 'one more season' of use (each summer). Oars were used of course, no one ever used any kind of boat motors then. The first time I saw a boat motor was on an aluminum boat. Motors were used a good thirty years before I was born but they were not used in the area I lived here in the Ozarks. Our people lived back in the woods and the quieter, the better. We mostly fished at night and the boat would glide along the water and hardly make a sound. My father and uncle/cousins would set trot lines during the day and then run them at night. Sometimes I would go with them and I loved the excitement of hearing the bullfrogs, the crickets and hearing the splash of a fish jumping up in the water in the dark. At that time I remember the big flathead catfish and carp they would take off the trot line seemed huge to me, like whales.:) Some of the fish weighed 40 lbs and were big enough to swallow me. For that reason I would never swim in the lake only the creek where I could see the bottom. I remember when I first learned how to swim. I kept sinking. I could not stay on top, so I first learned how to swim underwater. At the big creek was a place everyone knew was called "the rock". You could dive off of it into the creek. The water was deep there. That is where I learned to swim, underwater. Since I swam underwater all the time I was used to having my eyes open so I could see where I was going. The water was always crystal clear "pre-pollution" days. If you happened to swallow the water, it wouldn't kill you. When I swam under "the rock" I found a big hole in the rock so swam into it and it opened up into a small 'cave' which had a big air pocket in it. I could stay there as long as I wanted and then swim back out. I carved my initials in it and the date of 1957. It took me all summer to do that. The rock is still there, it doesn't look so big anymore, and I bet the gravel has washed the hold closed with all the flooding through the years. Many good memories at the rock. It was a good time in my childhood. Brin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Quest >I have been talking now I have to see just what I can talk about==I > think I know so==Would you believe I can remember the first time I was > every on a row boat ==going fishing==Guess what? I didn't like it==of > course I talked about it All the time we were fishing==I was never asked > to go with them again=I still don't like fishing from a boat==I could > tell about a gasoline lantern > maybe later==just thinking about it still make me not like them==could > be > they are differant now==I can tell you if you get any that gasoline on > you it made you stink bad all day > > SHADOW BEAR >