Ok Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rootsweb going down > Nope..... > Awww I'll just let you tell me ;) > > I'm on too many things as it is > > Alli :)

Ahhh! ( sad sigh from Dan ) I know, I saw this happen in person. I saw it happen to homeless people in Portland too. I feel so bad when I see people treated like crap. Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Forget it > Dan== I found out some time ago if they over charge you just smile and > leave I use to compline ==to who? if the law is called==those police > will tell you pay or go to jail we will not have you people coming here > and cause trouble==I have spent a day or a night in jail because of this > > SHADOW BEAR >

Nope..... Awww I'll just let you tell me ;) I'm on too many things as it is Alli :) > Are a list owner member? > Need to be there to get list owner messages. >

Dan== I found out some time ago if they over charge you just smile and leave I use to compline ==to who? if the law is called==those police will tell you pay or go to jail we will not have you people coming here and cause trouble==I have spent a day or a night in jail because of this SHADOW BEAR

Since I don't use the RW pages often, answer two questions, PLEASE - what is DNS and how would it be different? #2 what is "black listing"? or what does it mean? Dan, lots of us old fuddy duddy's are slow at learning the meanings of these initialed things standing for something. My husband had an artist friend in AZ who used LOL in every sentence - took us a long time to learn she "laughed out loud"! frequently. . . . . By the way, the artist mentioned above claimed her grandmother was "Kickapoo" and they lived in the northern Indiana area where I know the Miami and Pottawatami Indians roamed that country prior to settlement by the European settlers, can anyone tell me if "Kickapoo" was also an Indian tribe? The artist signed her work as "Cheyn" (birth name was Bonnie given to her by a grandpa who said she was a "Bonnie of a lass" which says they had to be part Irish! and many of her paintings was representative of "The Trail of Tears" - she was (she died in Jan. 2003 from heart troubles) a fantastic artist with such spiritual feelings. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rootsweb going down > Thursday, lists on rootsweb will be off line, ( how long ?) my guess is > until they are back up. > > Andrew says there might be a downside and the DNS will be different and RW > might have to clear up a lot of black listing. > > Use ALT lists tomorrow. > > Dan M > list manager > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

what alt list's? How come I didn't hear anything about this? > Thursday, lists on rootsweb will be off line, ( how long ?) my guess is > until they are back up. > > Andrew says there might be a downside and the DNS will be different and RW > might have to clear up a lot of black listing. > > Use ALT lists tomorrow. > > Dan M > list manager > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rootsweb going down > Since I don't use the RW pages often, answer two questions, PLEASE - > what is DNS and how would it be different? #2 what is "black listing"? or > what does it mean? Dan, lots of us old fuddy duddy's are slow at learning > the meanings of these initialed things standing for something. My husband > had an artist friend in AZ who used LOL in every sentence - took us a long > time to learn she "laughed out loud"! frequently. . . . . =====================> Most of us wont notice the down time . Just keep watch. We will hope the new numbers wont be a problem. DNS is the sever number and blacklisted is a spam control by 3 I think main places where all our e-mail goes through to get to us. Dan M

Are a list owner member? Need to be there to get list owner messages. Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rootsweb going down > what alt list's? > How come I didn't hear anything about this? > > > > Thursday, lists on rootsweb will be off line, ( how long ?) my guess is > > until they are back up. > > > > Andrew says there might be a downside and the DNS will be different and RW > > might have to clear up a lot of black listing. > > > > Use ALT lists tomorrow. > > > > Dan M > > list manager > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Wilco......... Sgi, Osda Elisti Nigadv, Griz ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Rootsweb going down > Thursday, lists on rootsweb will be off line, ( how long ?) my guess is > until they are back up. > > Andrew says there might be a downside and the DNS will be different and RW > might have to clear up a lot of black listing. > > Use ALT lists tomorrow. > > Dan M > list manager > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:48:24 PM Central Standard Time, betron1@sbcglobal.net writes: Barb, I surely hope you kept those hand made harness for your grandkids - if they are wise enough yet to appreciate their value. Bettye Sorry to say my sister sold them. She was the oldest and wanted them but we all thought she would keep them I do have his turning plow, slip and then some ornate breast straps he made. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Thursday, lists on rootsweb will be off line, ( how long ?) my guess is until they are back up. Andrew says there might be a downside and the DNS will be different and RW might have to clear up a lot of black listing. Use ALT lists tomorrow. Dan M list manager

I have a very old Sears saddle this I got for my Dau, and a smaller saddle I thought she would like to ride in the parades with, but she liked the sears one. Its sorta falling apart now and I think should be put in the rain on the tree so all the leathers will go back in place. I do not have any crafts from relations, not much in keepsakes either. So you who do, treasure them ok. Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAPARHAM@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Horse > > > In a message dated 1/17/2006 10:48:24 PM Central Standard Time, > betron1@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Barb, I surely hope you kept those hand made harness for your > grandkids - if they are wise enough yet to appreciate their value. Bettye > > > Sorry to say my sister sold them. She was the oldest and wanted them but we > all thought she would keep them I do have his turning plow, slip and then > some ornate breast straps he made. > > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I dont wad mine up on purpose, but ALL $1 bills go in my pocket, they are a real mess at times I do mechanics and they get sorta used looking soon. Why dont people give you change ? Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Forget It > This something we talk about==when you bring something of the past up as > a subject you are told forget it happened a long time you have to forget > it==you then go to a store ==there you are put back bof the line==some > how you stay there until you are the only one left==if the thing you buy > is say > $1.50 you give them $2.oo you get no change==this the reason we roll > $1.00 bills into tight little balls if they are going to do this than > they have to try to put these badly wrinkled bills in the cash box and > close it==Oh now I forget it after all things have changed so much in > two hundred years > > SHADOW BEAR >

I got my little mini RV fixed up, now I can take the wife too. Soon a boat. Right now I think I should have it tied to the front porch. Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Waddell" <jwaddell@greenvillewater.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:49 AM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors > I love to go fishing. I try to go every week. > > Jim in SC > > >

I love to go fishing. I try to go every week. Jim in SC -----Original Message----- From: EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com [mailto:EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:32 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancestors In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I guess I'm going to show indian time==settle back and do like the army ==smoke em if you got en ==think of your ancestors in a relaxed way==live the times at thier pace not the times of today ==Don't you think we should maybe go fishing some time tomorrow? ========================================================== Fishing sounds good to me. I love it. NEVER caught anything but just the atmosphere fishing is great. Barb sc ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This something we talk about==when you bring something of the past up as a subject you are told forget it happened a long time you have to forget it==you then go to a store ==there you are put back bof the line==some how you stay there until you are the only one left==if the thing you buy is say $1.50 you give them $2.oo you get no change==this the reason we roll $1.00 bills into tight little balls if they are going to do this than they have to try to put these badly wrinkled bills in the cash box and close it==Oh now I forget it after all things have changed so much in two hundred years SHADOW BEAR

Barb, I surely hope you kept those hand made harness for your grandkids - if they are wise enough yet to appreciate their value. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAPARHAM@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Horse > > In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:13:44 PM Central Standard Time, > shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: > > Another wonder of the world==my family trying to get use to having horse > someone brought a wagon to our place==you ever see all those leather > straps the has to be put on a horse just so a wagon can be pulled==took > me a long time before I could do it=some of our people said forget it > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ======================================== > Shadowbear, Daddy repaired harness. I took him to Oklahoma City to buy > leather once and ask him why he didn't make a set out of new leather. He > bought > himself some leather and made a new set. They were beautiful when he > finished. > He did all of this by hand no fancy sewing machines. > Barbara > In Oklahoma Native America > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:13:44 PM Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: Another wonder of the world==my family trying to get use to having horse someone brought a wagon to our place==you ever see all those leather straps the has to be put on a horse just so a wagon can be pulled==took me a long time before I could do it=some of our people said forget it SHADOW BEAR ======================================== Shadowbear, Daddy repaired harness. I took him to Oklahoma City to buy leather once and ask him why he didn't make a set out of new leather. He bought himself some leather and made a new set. They were beautiful when he finished. He did all of this by hand no fancy sewing machines. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Frog and Coyote - Nez Perce There was a widow, Frog (wexwext), who was maltreated and became angry. So she went up the river to the source, and sat over the fountain-head, so that the entire river went dry. There was no water except in some deep holes. Now, the people had not missed her; but Coyote (itseyeye) thought something like this must have happened to make the river go dry. He went upstream, because he knew the place where the water had been stopped. As he travelled up the dry bed, he made five rafts, and placed them about five bends of the river apart. At the head of the river he saw a lodge. He was nearly dead of thirst when he arrived; so he entered the lodge. Inside he saw a mountain-sheep-horn bucket of water, and he said to the woman, "Pass that water over to me; I have drunk a great deal of water along the river to-day, still I am very dry." So he drank up all the water. Coyote lay down on the opposite side of the lodge from the woman, and covered his head with his blanket. But he had an eye-hole in the blanket; and he saw her rise, take the empty bucket, and dip up water from where she had been sitting. After this, Coyote arose and went out. Near that place he spat upon some tule rushes, and told them to give war-whoops after he had re-entered the lodge. So he went again into the lodge, and soon there was a great noise of war-whoops. He said out loud to himself, "I thought I heard something when I was outside." But for all his strategy, the Frog widow would not budge from where she sat. So Coyote seized her by the arm and jerked her up. Then the water came out. When the water was running freely, he threw the woman into the stream, saying, "This is the way you will always be: whenever high water comes, it will always carry frogs down the river." Coyote then started downstream, running as fast as he could. When he reached the place of the first raft, he found it had broken adrift. So he ran on to the next one, and found it also adrift; and the third the same, and the fourth. He reached the fifth, however, just as it was breaking loose, and managed to jump aboard. Then he went down the river on the raft. This is how Coyote recovered the water from Frog. Nez Perce Tales, By Herbert J. Spinden, 1907 From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I guess I'm going to show indian time==settle back and do like the army ==smoke em if you got en ==think of your ancestors in a relaxed way==live the times at thier pace not the times of today ==Don't you think we should maybe go fishing some time tomorrow? ========================================================== Fishing sounds good to me. I love it. NEVER caught anything but just the atmosphere fishing is great. Barb sc