when was the last time you drove out west?i felt like a imigrant at all the check points just to go across texas into new mexico.i was glad i didnt have my daughters in law with me.anna ps i have a copy of logans run ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanM" <wb@valiant.wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > before you know > we will need a pass port to go to another state. > > Its Logan's run > Its coming. > < beware > > > Just watch that movie and see ! >

our mail wenr from 10 -29 a day to 300 a day maybe it stopped up some mail.anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] HAY ANYONE OUT THERE? > Ok I checked the members list, > over 85 people have left since 12 1 05. > > Some had never posted, > some changed to digest > and some were posting > and just left with out any notice. > > > > > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

maybe they were christmas visitors.i enjoyed the visit anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] HAY ANYONE OUT THERE? >I have a long list of people who left as fast as they came. > > Maybe there is some one behind the list giving problems to people so they > do > not stay. > > Dan M > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Ok I checked the members list, over 85 people have left since 12 1 05. Some had never posted, some changed to digest and some were posting and just left with out any notice. Dan M

I have a long list of people who left as fast as they came. Maybe there is some one behind the list giving problems to people so they do not stay. Dan M

Sounds like many who have gone thru the miserable security checks since the Terrorist attack on 9-11 Alli :( > Virginia==A friend of mine had to fly==he spent 3hrs.in a room by him > self==then had a physical then had to talk to some people for > awhile==his luggage was taken apart==he showed his card-drivers > license-nothing made them go faster== they finally let him go-they let > him go for the next day==maybe because he looked like an arab? He can't > talk very good american > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

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Virginia==A friend of mine had to fly==he spent 3hrs.in a room by him self==then had a physical then had to talk to some people for awhile==his luggage was taken apart==he showed his card-drivers license-nothing made them go faster== they finally let him go-they let him go for the next day==maybe because he looked like an arab? He can't talk very good american SHADOW BEAR

Shadowbear, I also had a friend that was held up because his (fairly common) Irish name appeared on a 'no fly list'. Sometimes, today, they have to more careful than they used to be. I would rather, in this time of war, be safe, rather than appear as a future newspaper headline like the 4 planes on 9/11. Not everyone has those experiences though, thank God. Most of us just walk through the security lines and safely board our planes (after wandering around the airport for the additional almost 2 hours with nothing to do but spend money, read or eat). God only knows, you don't make jokes about security. Definitely there were similarities amongst the terrorists that flew those fateful planes, they were not white Anglo type people. The choices now are not to go, submit to search and/or screening (like everyone else) or have everyone face the possibility of threats such as the 'shoe' bomber, the guy that was crossing the Canadian-Washington border in 1999, or even the ultimate pilots of 9/11. I guess, I would choose screening. It too bad that things have reached this point. To me it means that the terrorists have already won one part of the war. Our lives in this country have been altered, possibly forever. We are no longer as free 'to move about the country as we were 20 years ago, and may never be again. This affects all of no matter what our background is. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Airline > Virginia==A friend of mine had to fly==he spent 3hrs.in a room by him > self==then had a physical then had to talk to some people for > awhile==his luggage was taken apart==he showed his card-drivers > license-nothing made them go faster== they finally let him go-they let > him go for the next day==maybe because he looked like an arab? He can't > talk very good american > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Shadowbear, I don't know where your information came from, but it really isn't quite that bad! I flew to LA last summer (although that wasn't my destination, I just 'got' there). I had to be at the airport 2 hours a head of time here in the Seattle area, and although I had to go through security, the worse part was taking my shoes off and having to put them back on. (they tie). Did need to show my driver's license. No big deal. In Fresno, which was my destination airport, to return home, I had to consolidate my purse into my camera bag and carry on luggage, because they limited me to two bags. Again, my DL was sufficient ID. (that's where I ended up on the plane going to LA for whatever senseless reason they sent me to San Francisco and then back to LA, so I could then fly 'non stop' to Seattle. Turned my 2 hour flight going into a 9 hour flight returning. Go figure. Years ago, I took a train from Trenton, NJ to Essex Junction, Vermont. It was an all day ordeal and it was much like taking a cruise. I was still 'riding' that train 8 hours after I got to my destination! The bus is fun for a short 'tour trip, but I sure don't want to do a long distance thing on it. Frankly all in all, I prefer to drive myself unless I am in a real hurry and headed way out of the area. However, I can drive to Spokane from here just as fast as I can fly now. 2 hours at the airport on either end, finding a car there, it only takes me 5 hours to drive and I can stop when I want to and take the scenic route (which is most of the way anyway). Looking forward to spring thaw so I can go over again! Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > I think if I had to fly on one of those airplanes whoud be it the > newspapers every where==All they want is now is knowing every thing > about you ==even down to your blood type==to get a ticket you will spend > most of the day trying==I guess I would go by bus not the train because > it go's nowhere== > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Not sure what flying your talking about or what airlines that your talking about, but we just put my stepdaughter on a plane this past Oct. and they didn't want that much info. first/last name, age, destination, since she was a minor & we wanted an escort for her they wanted to know who would be meeting her on the final stop & they needed an id. Would not take another bus for no reason. It took 2 days to get from Portland, Ore. to Twin Falls, Idaho. Never been on a train, but w/all of the derailing that occurs........I'll just drive :) Alli :) >I think if I had to fly on one of those airplanes whoud be it the > newspapers every where==All they want is now is knowing every thing > about you ==even down to your blood type==to get a ticket you will spend > most of the day trying==I guess I would go by bus not the train because > it go's nowhere== > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

before you know we will need a pass port to go to another state. Its Logan's run Its coming. < beware > Just watch that movie and see ! Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > I think if I had to fly on one of those airplanes whoud be it the > newspapers every where==All they want is now is knowing every thing > about you ==even down to your blood type==to get a ticket you will spend > most of the day trying==I guess I would go by bus not the train because > it go's nowhere== > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Actually I do work on boats. <G> I have 7 people gave me. My favorite one I use is a 14 foot 1961 Owens speedboat I use for fishing, I should show you a picture <G> I am making a web page soon for my projects. Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Shop > Hay==Dan I guess i'm just not with it so much water==why don't you work > on boats?Don't you think a nice big boat floating down the road your > name on it and the engines going full blast would be good? > > SHADOW BEAR >

I think if I had to fly on one of those airplanes whoud be it the newspapers every where==All they want is now is knowing every thing about you ==even down to your blood type==to get a ticket you will spend most of the day trying==I guess I would go by bus not the train because it go's nowhere== SHADOW BEAR

Hay==Dan I guess i'm just not with it so much water==why don't you work on boats?Don't you think a nice big boat floating down the road your name on it and the engines going full blast would be good? SHADOW BEAR

I think for many years the sun didn't shine for me==they finely decided ww-2 was over==then they decided to let me go==I was the same wild indian only meaner--you know the sun didn't shine till that day I stopped to look at a new 47 chev truck==I than realized I was not stuck where they would know where I was all the time. My people were every where==my village was gone==Most of them didn't know american talk==Try to use the phone when both partys can't talk the same as the operator==just talking== SHADOW BEAR

Anna==I am not kidding you Raymondville is over by Houston in Texas county Missouri SHADOW BEAR

where is this raymondville ?i lived in raymondville texas as a child.anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Robins > Nancy J.==over by Raymondville just said she saw a flock of Robins > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Inside has good drainage, just not outside when the river is overflowing its banks <sigh> Dan M http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Forget It > Besides that, typical shop floors are either ground level concrete or > slightly elevated with a sloped entrance into the bldg. right? My daddy was > a new car dealer all my young life until he died in 1957 - so I am familiar > with repair shops! Bettye >