Kevin This is the Cherokee Circle list. Glee is on the CherokeeGene-L list. CherokeeGene-L-request@rootsweb.com Dan has both lists and if you talk really nice he'll see to it that you get subbed to the other list. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > > How very sad. I think his fine was too conservative. > > Anyone on this board know of someone named Glee? I was told to ask for > them > as I might be able to get some research direction. > Thanks, > > Kevin in California > > > > In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:32:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wb@wvi.com > writes: > >> I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some >> of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to >> shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now >> these >> are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve >> time > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 > >

Gitanemuk Shoshonean. The Panther's Children And Coyote - Yokuts / Yauelmani Two women lived alone. One was a woman and the other a girl. The old woman was the jimson weed; the girl the cottontail rabbit. They lived west above Tejon creek. In the morning the old woman saw a dead deer lying at the door. She did not see who brought it. She took the deer, sliced it, dried the meat, and said nothing. She did not ask the girl about it. Next day the same thing happened. Three times it happened. Then the girl gave birth to two boys, twins. They saw no one. She did not see her husband. The boys grew up and she put them into a cradle. Coyote lived at Sututaiwieyau and had seven sons. He said: "I will go to see what they are doing." The mother of the two boys was on the plain gathering seeds. The old woman was caring for the children. Coyote carne to the house. He found that they had plenty of deer meat and acorn mush. The old woman said to him: "Will you have meat and acorn mush?" He said: "Yes." Then she gave him. the food and he ate. After eating he was thirsty. She told him: "There is water in the pitched basket (made with piñon gum)." Coyote said: ''I do not drink from that kind. The pitch stinks." She told him: "What kind do you drink from?" He said: "I drink from an openwork winnowing basket (khali)." She asked him: "How does it hold water?" He said: "Put leaves into it." The old woman went and tried to bring water in an openwork basket. The water kept running out, but she kept trying a long time. Meanwhile Coyote took the two boys and went off, making a circuit. The mother was far off on the plain gathering seeds. At night she came home. "Where are my boys?" she asked her mother. The old woman said: "Coyote came here. I think he stole them." Now the panther came. "Where are the children?" he said. "Coyote stole them," they told him. He took pinenuts and puhuk and hapu in a sack and started to look for his children. He looked all over the country. He looked for them for ten years, for about twelve years. Now the boys were large enough to go out and hunt rabbits. Then Coyote told them: "Do not go far. A man may come here. He is bad. He will catch you and kill you." He was afraid their father would come. Next day the boys went on the mountain and killed a deer. Then one day they went to the top of the mountain Wachkiu. From there they looked down on the plain on the other side. When they had rested, they got up to go. The younger one was behind. Then he saw a man coming. He was dark all over with a little white on his breast. He said: "See, the one is coming of whom our father told us, the dangerous one." The panther called: "Where are you going? Stop. I am your father." Then the younger brother said: "Let us wait." They stopped. "Hello," said the anther. "Hello," they told him. He asked them: "Why do you run away? I am your father. Coyote is not your father." Then he took one by each hand and they went. Soon the old man became tired and fell. He got up again, took pinenuts and puhuk and hapu from his sack, and gave them to the boys to eat. They ate them all. Then he asked them: "How does he do when he kills deer!" They told him: "He eats all the intestines before he takes it home." Then their father told them: "Well, I will do that." Now he killed a deer. Then the boys went and called Coyote to come. They said they had killed a deer. Coyote came. "Whose track is that?" he said. The older boy said: "It is my track," and Coyote was satisfied. Then he went to the deer. He wanted to eat of it. He nearly bit at it when he jumped in fear. Three times he was afraid and jumped aside. Then he went to it and ate. Now the panther jumped on him, killed him, and tore him to pieces. He strewed his flesh over the ground. Then he went to the house. Coyote's children were playing in a swing. They did not work or hunt but played constantly. The panther killed them all. He took them by the feet and struck them on the ground. He entered the house where Coyote's wife was, took her by the feet, and threw her out. Then he burned the house and went off. He said: "I am going. I travel over the country." Reposted with Permission from Brother to Horse From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

I have some Brown Family lines.....Hey Kev......Got any Alvin Brown link ups??? ----- Original Message ----- From: KRobertsInCA@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:39 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something Thanks Joyce, I know that there have been many that made assumptions about my Brown family line which is John Thomas Brown descending from Sarah Canoe. Knowing so little about the research angles and where to begin, I have just not followed up on it yet. I stopped at the Guion Miller Roll rejections. I do appreciate your kind words and help though. Thanks again, Kevin... In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:58:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bjreece@bellsouth.net writes: Nothing to be sorry about....not at all, Kevin. You might enjoy this list too That is the reason for joining list. You can get guidance, direction or plain ol' proof that will connect you line. Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

How very sad. I think his fine was too conservative. Anyone on this board know of someone named Glee? I was told to ask for them as I might be able to get some research direction. Thanks, Kevin in California In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:32:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wb@wvi.com writes: > I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some > of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to > shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these > are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve > time

Ya just dont go shooting the National birds <> Hope he lost all his guns too. People who do that dont need to be out in the wild. Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some > of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to > shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these > are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve > time > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Girl Who Went Away In Search Of Her Brother - Inuit ALEKATOKAK went away with her brother Asuvina, to set up fox-traps. Having arrived at the place they had fixed upon, she told her brother that she wanted a flat stone to make a door for the trap, and asked him to bring her one. He went to get it; but as he was rather long in returning, she went off to seek him: but in vain; he had completely disappeared; and she was obliged to return by herself. On her coming home, her father said, "I suppose thou hast hurt him- perhaps even killed him: I shall be sure to punish thee." He had often threatened to make away with her, having never liked her, but put her down as an idle wench, unable to make herself useful in any way. Her mother pitied her, and advised her to flee the society of men; and accordingly she made up a little bag with some clothes, and went far into the country. She kept wandering about, and could even overtake the reindeer. Having once passed a cleft in the mountains, she saw a little house down in a valley, with an opening in the centre of the roof. She approached the house, and peeping down observed a giant-like fellow, who returned the look, and addressed her, saying, "What dost thou want here, thou miserable daughter of the coast-people? Dost thou think that I will let thee off like that?" He then rushed out to seize her; but meanwhile she had found a hiding-place; and when he had returned to his house, she again hastened on her way farther into the country; and at last she came to another house, which had three windows. She noticed that cooking was going on inside, as well as other business, without any people being visible. Though not aware of it, she had been coming all the way to the place of shadows. A voice was heard saying, "Thou little one from the coast-side, come in, come in!" and when she had entered, a dish with boiled meat was set before her; and her hunger being stilled, the invisible shadows among whom she now found herself invited her to stay and sleep there. After farther wanderings, she at length reached the sea; and around a little creek she observed a great many tents pitched up near the strand. She waited till evening before venturing to go down; and sitting on a slope, she heard the children of the place call out, "A kayaker is coming! he is towing a seal!" Presently a kayaker appeared from behind a point. She heard them repeat, "Asuvina has got a seal!" and she felt sure that she had found her lost brother. The people of the place had a chief, whose tent was larger than all the rest; and beyond this was a plain, where they used to practise ball-playing. She recognised her brother accompanying the men thither, and saw that he was ordered to lift up a large round stone; but not being able to do so, the others threw him down. In the evening she descended the hill, and went straight on to his house. He wondered very much at her coming, and told her that he had lost his way in seeking the slab for her fox-trap, but that he was now married, and that his wife had a sister. He went on to tell her that they had an idiot at the place, who-viz., by clairvoyance- would probably soon be aware of her arrival; and that she had better hide herself a while behind the skin-hangings of the wall. Next morning the fool entered, saying, "In the night I dreamt that a woman from the coast-side, and sister to Asuvina, came among us;" but Asuvina answered, "I have got no sister," upon which the other went away; but Asuvina stayed at home the whole day long, enjoying his sister's company. In the evening she went with them to the ball-play on the plain, disguised in the clothes of her sister-in-law. When the chief had lifted the round stone, he made a false hit, and let it fall down upon his own feet, and fairly crushed them. Alekatokak now told them quickly to fetch a little dog; but on hearing that they had not got one in the whole place, she hurried away and soon overtook and brought back a young deer. She cut an opening into it, and let the chief put the sore feet down among the entrails, and in this way cured him. She got married there, and had a son. At his birth they brought her an oblong dish with certain entrails of a fox, and ordered her to swallow them, shutting her eyes the while. This was the custom with them, when they desired the new-born child to be clever and dexterous. After this remedy she was at once restored to her usual health, and her boy grew to be a very swift runner; and they remained in the place and had numerous descendants. Taken from: The Eskimo of Siberia by Waldemar Bogoras;[Leiden & New York, 1913] From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

I have been afraid of lightening since I was a small child. I would probably have joined your son. That said, the storms I have watched out the windows of the planes are absolutely breath taking. Far more beautiful than the ones down here on the ground. They are amazing. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pestana, Sherry" <PestanS@sutterhealth.org> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > The first time my son flew, we flew at night and we had to go through > the middle of two storms. The lightening was crawling across the tops > of the clouds and it looked like it was coming after the plane. It > scared him so bad I could not keep him in the seat. He kept sliding > down onto the floor so he did not have to see anything. I thought it > was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen. Mother nature at her > best. > > > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Virginia A. [mailto:vdach@gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:55 AM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > > Hi Sherry, > > I wasn't going to tell him about flying in those things. They are > awesome, > but if he hasn't flown the idea could be less than favorable. > > Virginia in Seattle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pestana, Sherry" <PestanS@sutterhealth.org> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > > > > The best time to fly is when it is storming and you can fly between > two > > storms. When the lightening flash's and comes straight at you in the > > plane, wow, it is awesome. > > > > > > > > Sherry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bettye Woodhull [mailto:betron1@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:04 AM > > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Airlines > > > > Good morning, Shadowbear: > > Please know that after that first time of taking off, the next > time > > will > > be easier. Now, when you realize that you can look down on top of new > > horizons and get a new glimpse of clouds, mountains and rivers such as > > you > > cannot imagine then you will say "this is the way to go"!! My first > > glimpse > > of the Grand Canyon from above is so different than how you view it > from > > > > your seeing it standing on the ground. > > I had never seen Mt. Ranier except in pictures until we flew over > it > > in > > a MD80 on a full moon night as we approached Seattle/Tacoma airport. > > That > > view was worth the ticket price from D/FW! We were low enough on the > > approach in to get a real good view and high enough that it allowed a > > good > > 45 second or more viewing. These have to be the two most memorable > > looks at > > the "world from above" that I can remember. > > Flying is not for the birds! 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Joyce, forgive me, but I can't pass on this one! My husband is a retired aerospace engineer and had his hands (and a little of his brain) in designing the helicopter, known as the V-22 or the Osprey. It too is beautiful - btw, this is the flying machine that takes off like a helicopter then flies like an airplane with its tiltroter engines. Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > The American Bald Eagle has enjoyed an enormous comeback in the state of > Tennessee. They are beautiful....but just wait until you see an Osprey. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > > >> HI Bettye, >> >> Funny that you should mention that you had never seen an eagle. The >> first >> one I ever saw was after I bought my house. It was in the tree across >> the >> street. I mentioned it to my then house mate and was told I was probably >> imaging things. However, many times since then I have looked up to see >> them flying over my house. But the BESTEST of all was this very morning >> as >> I was leaving to go to my carving class. I had just started down the >> hill >> from my home, there in the tree on the side of the road was an eagle! It >> was so close you could see it's eyes, the definition of the feathers, >> the >> line of the mouth in the beak! It was totally amazing! It looked like >> it >> was about 3 to 4 foot long and just plain huge. There was no place to >> pull >> off even though I had my camera in the seat next to me. It was an >> incredible start to my morning! >> >> By the way, it is not only illegal to shoot, shut up or otherwise, but it >> is >> even illegal to even pick up a dropped feather! Frankly I think feather >> collecting off of the ground is carrying things a bit far. If the eagle >> gifts you with a feather you are blessed. >> >> Virginia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something >> >> >>> Friend, they had to report that shooting because it just as illegal >>> to >>> "keep quiet" as it is to shoot the eagle. Based on how I have heard >>> from >>> some of these tales, a person knowing about someone shooting the eagle >>> and >>> not reporting it, can be fined or have to serve time. It is a sad >>> situation. I've never seen an eagle in person. 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Girl who was the Ring - Pawnee By the bank of a river stood a lodge, in which lived four brothers and their sister. The boys made arrows. To the branch of a tree in front of the lodge they had hung a rawhide strap, such as women use for carrying wood, so as to make a swing for the girl. Whenever their meat was all gone and they began to get hungry, the girl used to send her brothers into the timber to cut dogwood shoots to make arrows. When the arrows were ready, she would get into the swing and the boys would swing her. As the swing moved, they would see dust rising all around the horizon, and would know that the Buffalo were coming. Then all four boys would take their bows and arrows, and stand about the swing so as to protect the girl and not let the Buffalo come near her. When the Buffalo had come close, the boys would kill them in a circle all about the swing. They would quickly carry the girl into the lodge, and would kill so many Buffalo that the rest would be frightened and run away. So they would have plenty to eat, and the dried meat would be piled high in the lodge. One day the boys went out to get woods for arrows, and left the girl in the lodge alone. While they were away a Coyote came to the lodge and talked to the girl. He said to her: "Granddaughter, I am very poor, and I am very hungry. I have no meat in my lodge, and my children also are hungry. I told my relations that I was coming to ask you for food, and they have been laughing at me. They said, 'Your granddaughter will not give you anything to eat.' " The girl answered him: "Grandfather, here is plenty of meat. This house is full of it. Take what you want. Take the fattest pieces. Take it to your children. Let them eat." The Coyote began to cry. He said: "Yes, my relations laughed at me when I said I was going to visit you and ask you for something to eat. They said you would not give me anything. I do not want any dried meat -- I want some fresh meat to take to my children. Have pity on me, and let me put you in the swing, so as to bring the Buffalo. I do not want to swing you hard so as to bring the Buffalo in great herds. I want to swing you only a little so as to bring a few Buffalo. I have a quiver full of arrows to keep the Buffalo off." The girl said: "No, grandfather, I cannot do this. My brothers are away. Without them we can do nothing." Then the Coyote slapped his breast and said: "Look at me. Am I not a man and strong? I can run around you fast, after you are in the swing, and I can keep the Buffalo off. I can shoot clear through a Buffalo. I have plenty of arrows, and I need only use a single one for each Buffalo. Come on, I want to swing you just a little, so that but few Buffalo will come." So he coaxed the girl, but still she refused. After he had begged her for a long time, she agreed to let him swing her a little, and got in the swing. He began to swing her, at first gently, but all at once he pushed her very hard, and kept doing this until she swung high. She screamed and cried, and tried to get off the swing, but it was now too late. All around -- from all sides -- the Buffalo were coming in great crowds. The Coyote had made ready his arrows, and was running around the girl, trying to kill the Buffalo and keep them off, but they crowded upon him -- so many that he could do nothing -- and at last he got frightened and ran into the lodge. The Buffalo were now just all over the ground about the lodge, and suddenly one of the young Bulls, the leader of a big band, as he passed under the swing, threw up his head, and the girl disappeared, but the Coyote, peeping out of the lodge door, saw on the horn of this Bull a ring, and then he knew that this ring was the girl. Then the Bull ran away fast, and all the Buffalo ran after him. When the Buffalo had gone, the Coyote came out of the lodge and saw that the girl was not there. He did not know what to do. He was frightened. Pretty soon he heard the girl's brothers coming. They had seen the dust, and knew that some one was swinging their sister, and that the Buffalo had come. They hurried back, running fast, and when they reached the lodge they found the Coyote just dragging himself out of a mud-hole. He crawled out crying, and pretended that the Buffalo had run over him and trampled him. His bow and arrows were in the mud. He told the brothers his story and said that he had tried hard to save the girl, but that he had not known that so many Buffalo would come. He said he had thought that the girl must be swung high, so that the Buffalo could see her from a long way off. The brothers felt very sorry that their sister was lost. They counseled together to see what they should do, trying to decide what would be the best plan to get her back again. While they were talking about this, the Coyote, with all the mud upon him, stood before them and said: "Brothers, do not feel sorry because your sister is lost. I will get her back again. Live on just as you always do. Do not think about this. Do not let it trouble you. I will get her back again." After he had spoken thus, he said, "Now I am going to start off on the war-path," and he left them and went away. He journeyed on alone considering what he should do, and at length, as he was travelling along over the prairie, he met a Badger, who said to him, "Brother, where are you going?" The Coyote said: "I am going on the war-path against my enemies. Will you join my party?" The Badger said, "Yes, I will join you." They went on. After they had gone a long way, they saw a Swift Hawk sitting on the limb of a tree by a ravine. He asked them where they were going, and they told him, and asked him if he would go with them. He said he would go. After a time they met a Kit Fox, and asked him to join them, and he did so. Then they met a JackRabbit, who said he would go with them. They went on, and at length they met a Blackbird, and asked him to join them. He said: "Let it be so. I will go." Soon after they had all got together they stopped and sat down, and the Coyote told them how the girl had been lost, and said that he intended to try to get her back. Then they talked, and the Coyote told them the plan that he -- the leader -- had made. The others listened, and said that they would do whatever he told them to. They were all glad to help to recover the girl. Then they all stood up and made ready to start, and the Coyote said to the Blackbird, Friend, you stay here until the time comes." So the Blackbird remained there where they had been talking, and the others went on. After they had gone some distance farther, the Coyote told the Hawk to stop and wait there. He did so. The others went on a long way, and then the Coyote said to the Rabbit, "You stay here." The others went on, and at the next stopping-place he left the Kit Fox; and at the next -- last of all -- he left the Badger. Then the Coyote went on alone and traveled a long way, and at length he came to the Buffalo camp. He went out to the place where the young Bulls used to play the stick game, and lay down there. It was early in the morning. After a time some of the young Bulls came out, and began to roll the ring and to throw their sticks at it. The Coyote now pretended to be very sick. His hair was all covered with mud, and his tongue hung out of his mouth, and he staggered about and fell down and then got up again, and seemed to feel badly. Sometimes he would get over near to where the ring was being rolled, and then the young Bulls would call out: "Here, hold on! Don't get in the way." After a little while the Coyote pretended that he felt better, and he got up and went over to where the young Bulls were sitting, looking on at the game, and sat down with them, and watched the play with the others. Every now and then two of the young Bulls would begin to dispute over the game, each saying that his stick was the nearer to the ring, and sometimes they would wrangle for a long time. Once, while they were doing this, the Coyote went up to them and said: "Here! You men need not quarrel about this. Let me look. I know all about this game. I can tell which stick is the nearer." (* = Game rules below) The Bulls stopped talking and looked at him, and then said: "Yes, let him look. Let us hear what he says." Then the Coyote went up to the ring and looked, and said, pointing: "That stick is nearest. That one has won." The Bulls looked at each other, and nodded their heads and said, "He knows. He is right." The next time they had a dispute, he decided it again, and all were satisfied. At length two of the young Bulls had a very fierce dispute, and almost came to fighting over it. The Coyote came up and looked, and said: "This is very close. I must look carefully, but I cannot see well if you are all crowding around me in this way. I must have room. You would all better go over to that hill, and sit down there and wait for me to decide." The Bulls all went over to the hill and sat down, and then the Coyote began to look. First he would go to one stick and look carefully, and then he would go to the other and look. The sticks were about the same distance from the ring, and for a long time it seemed that he could not make up his mind, which was the nearer. He went backward and forward, looking at the sticks, and stooping down and putting his hands on his knees and squinting, and at last, when once his face was close to the ground, he suddenly snatched up the ring in his mouth, and started, running as hard as he could for the place where he had left the Badger. As soon as he had started, all the Bulls on the hill saw what he was doing -- that he was taking the ring away from them -- and they started after him. They did not want to lose the ring, for it was very useful to them, and they played with it all the time. When the Buffalo in the camp saw that the young Bulls had started, they all followed, so that soon all the Buffalo were rushing after the Coyote. He ran fast, and for a long time he kept ahead of the Buffalo, but they followed, a great mass of Buffalo crowding and pushing, running as hard as they could run. At last the Coyote was beginning to get tired, and was running more slowly, and the Buffalo were beginning to catch up to him, but he was getting near to where the Badger was. After a time the Buffalo were getting nearer to the Coyote. He was very tired, and it seemed to him as if he could not run any farther. If he did not soon get to where he had left the Badger, the Buffalo would run over him and trample him to death, and get back the ring. At length, when they were close behind him, he ran over the top of a little hill, and down in the valley below saw the Badger sitting at the mouth of his hole. The Coyote raced down the hill as fast as he could, and when he got to the hole he gave the ring to the Badger, and just as the herd of Buffalo got to the place, they both dived down into the hole. The Buffalo crowded about the Badger's hole, and began to paw the ground, to dig it up so as to get the Coyote and the ring, but the Badger had dug a hole a long way under the ground, and while the Buffalo were digging he ran along through this hole and came out far off, and ran as hard as he could toward the brothers' lodge. Before he had gone very far, one of the herds saw him, and called out to the others: "There he is! There he goes!" Then all the Buffalo started again and ran after the Badger. When they had come pretty close to him, he would stop running and dig another hole, and while the Buffalo were crowding around the hole, trying to dig him out, he would dig along under the ground, until he had got far beyond them, and would then come to the top of the ground, and run as fast as he could toward the lodge. Then the Buffalo would see him and follow him. In this way he went a long distance, but at length he got tired and felt that he could not run or dig much farther. He was almost spent. At last, when he dug out of the ground, he saw not far off the Kit Fox, lying curled upon a rock, asleep in the sun. He called out: "Oh, my brother, I am almost tired out! Help me! " The Kit Fox jumped up and ran to him and took the ring in his mouth and started running, and the Badger dug a deep hole, and stayed there. The little Fox ran fast, gliding along like a bird; and the Buffalo, when they saw him running, chased him and ran hard. The Kit Fox is a swift animal, and for a long time he kept ahead of the Buffalo. When he was almost tired out, he came to where the Rabbit was, and gave him the ring, and ran into a hole, and the Rabbit ran on. The Buffalo followed the Rabbit, but he ran fast and kept ahead of them for a long time. When they had almost caught him, he came to where the Hawk was sitting. The Hawk took the ring in his claws and flew off with it, and the Rabbit ran off to one side and hid in the long grass. The Buffalo followed the Hawk, and ran after him. They seemed never to get tired. The Hawk, after he had been flying a long time, began to feel very weary. He would sail down low over the Buffalo's backs, and was only just able to keep above them. At last he got near to where the Blackbird was. When the Blackbird heard the pounding of many hoofs and knew that the Buffalo were coming, he flew up on a sunflower stalk and waited. When the Buffalo came to the place where he was, he flew up over them to the Hawk, and took the ring on his neck, and flew along over the Buffalo. The ring was heavy for so small a bird, and he would alight on the backs of the Buffalo and fly from one to another. The Buffalo would toss their heads and try to hit him with their horns, but he kept flying from one to another, and the Buffalo behind were always pushing forward to get near the ring, and they pushed the other Buffalo ahead of them. Pretty soon the herd passed over a hill and was rushing down to the place on the river where the brothers' lodge stood. Ever since their sister had been lost, the brothers had been making arrows, and now they had piles of them stacked up about the lodge. When they saw the Buffalo coming they got their bows and took their arrows in their hands, and shot and shot until they had killed many, many Buffalo, and the rest were frightened and ran away. The Blackbird had flown into the lodge with the ring, and after the brothers had finished killing, they went into the lodge. And there, sitting by the fire and smiling at them as they came in, they saw their sister. As told to anthropologist George Bird Grinnell Reposted with permission of Neshoba About the ring/stick game Of all the games played by men among the Pawnee Indians, none was so popular as the stick game. This was an athletic contest between pairs of young men, and tested their fleetness, their eyesight, and their skill in throwing the stick. The implements used were a ring six inches in diameter, made of buffalo rawhide, and two elaborate and highly ornamented slender sticks, one for each player. One of the two contestants rolled the ring over a smooth prepared course, and when it had been set in motion the players ran after it side by side, each one trying to throw his stick through the ring. This was not often done, but the players constantly hit the ring with their sticks and knocked it down, so that it ceased to roll. The system of counting was by points, and was somewhat complicated, but in general terms it may be said that the player whose stick lay nearest the ring gained one or more points. In the story, which follows, the Buffalo by their mysterious power transformed the girl into a ring, which they used in playing the stick game. From the archives Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

The American Bald Eagle has enjoyed an enormous comeback in the state of Tennessee. They are beautiful....but just wait until you see an Osprey. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia A." <vdach@gte.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > HI Bettye, > > Funny that you should mention that you had never seen an eagle. The first > one I ever saw was after I bought my house. It was in the tree across the > street. I mentioned it to my then house mate and was told I was probably > imaging things. However, many times since then I have looked up to see > them flying over my house. But the BESTEST of all was this very morning > as > I was leaving to go to my carving class. I had just started down the > hill > from my home, there in the tree on the side of the road was an eagle! It > was so close you could see it's eyes, the definition of the feathers, the > line of the mouth in the beak! It was totally amazing! It looked like it > was about 3 to 4 foot long and just plain huge. There was no place to > pull > off even though I had my camera in the seat next to me. It was an > incredible start to my morning! > > By the way, it is not only illegal to shoot, shut up or otherwise, but it > is > even illegal to even pick up a dropped feather! Frankly I think feather > collecting off of the ground is carrying things a bit far. If the eagle > gifts you with a feather you are blessed. > > Virginia > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > > >> Friend, they had to report that shooting because it just as illegal >> to >> "keep quiet" as it is to shoot the eagle. Based on how I have heard >> from >> some of these tales, a person knowing about someone shooting the eagle >> and >> not reporting it, can be fined or have to serve time. It is a sad >> situation. I've never seen an eagle in person. Bettye >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:14 PM >> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something >> >> >> >I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some >> > of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to >> > shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now >> > these >> > are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve >> > time >> > >> > SHADOW BEAR >> > >> > >> > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 2/27/2006 > >

Why would someone even want to shoot and eagle. Even if it weren't illegal. They are magnificent. I lived across the bay from Parris Island for a couple of years. An eagle built it's nest on the Marine base. They halted some construction near by, and roped off the whole area there. No one, NO one could get near the area the nest was in. I saw momma a couple of time hunting I guess. Barb SC

Seen my first eagle last year up in Northwest Arkansas. Oh, how I would love to see one again. Theres nothing like it. Tammy

In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:15:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, shadowbear270@webtv.net writes: I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve time SHADOW BEAR That is sad but I thought everyone knew not to shoot eagles.

Friend, they had to report that shooting because it just as illegal to "keep quiet" as it is to shoot the eagle. Based on how I have heard from some of these tales, a person knowing about someone shooting the eagle and not reporting it, can be fined or have to serve time. It is a sad situation. I've never seen an eagle in person. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something >I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some > of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to > shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these > are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve > time > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve time SHADOW BEAR

Duck Franklin was supposedly the son of a Roderick Shelton and Mary Franklin (aka Glumdalclitch) a Cherokee Indian woman. Duck Franklin was supposedly William Duckworth Shelton by birth. Does anyone know if this information is true or if it is just a myth? Sincerely, SRH

HI Bettye, Funny that you should mention that you had never seen an eagle. The first one I ever saw was after I bought my house. It was in the tree across the street. I mentioned it to my then house mate and was told I was probably imaging things. However, many times since then I have looked up to see them flying over my house. But the BESTEST of all was this very morning as I was leaving to go to my carving class. I had just started down the hill from my home, there in the tree on the side of the road was an eagle! It was so close you could see it's eyes, the definition of the feathers, the line of the mouth in the beak! It was totally amazing! It looked like it was about 3 to 4 foot long and just plain huge. There was no place to pull off even though I had my camera in the seat next to me. It was an incredible start to my morning! By the way, it is not only illegal to shoot, shut up or otherwise, but it is even illegal to even pick up a dropped feather! Frankly I think feather collecting off of the ground is carrying things a bit far. If the eagle gifts you with a feather you are blessed. Virginia -- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > Friend, they had to report that shooting because it just as illegal to > "keep quiet" as it is to shoot the eagle. Based on how I have heard from > some of these tales, a person knowing about someone shooting the eagle and > not reporting it, can be fined or have to serve time. It is a sad > situation. I've never seen an eagle in person. Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something > > > >I hear some talk about A Man other side of this town==he was with some > > of his friends hunting==they saw an eagle of course this man had to > > shoot at it==he hit it==some of his friends told a game warden(now these > > are good men==this hunter was arrested and fined $250000.00 or serve > > time > > > > SHADOW BEAR > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Jery---I remember my grndfather doing the same thing. LOL I'd do something bad and I'd immediatly look around to see if a snake or eagle were coming. WES--Norma

My sister and I were "looked after" when we were small by our neighbor, who happened to be Pomo. She was about 50 at the time and told a variation of this same story to us. That was many years ago (about 50). she died tragically in an accident. Your retelling of this story helped me remember her and the good times we used to have. She never reprimanded us no matter what we did, she just told us stories about what happened to children that were bad, and it scared us straight. We were always afraid an eagle or giant rattlesnake would come and get us. Thanks, Jerry Blue Panther wrote: > Girl Who Married Rattlesnake - Pomo > > At a place called Cobowin there was a large rock with a hole in it, > and many rattlesnakes lived inside this hole. Nearby at Kalesima there > was a village with four large houses, and in the one with a center > pole lived a girl. In the spring when clover was just right to eat, > this girl went out to gather some. While she was working, she was > watched by a rattlesnake. > > The snake followed her back to the village, and close to her house he > transformed himself into a handsome young man with a net on his head > and fine beads around his neck. Then he climbed up onto the top of the > house and came down the center pole. The family was surprised to see > him, but he told the girl that he wanted to marry her. He remained > with the family overnight and the following morning went home again. > He arrived and left like this for four days; then on the fifth evening > he came back, but this time he did not change his form. He simply > slithered into the house and began conversing just as before. The > girl's mother, waiting for her daughter's suitor, said she heard > someone talking in the house. She took a light and looked in the place > where she heard the sound, and there was Rattlesnake. He shook his > snake's head, and she dropped the light and ran in terror. > > On the following morning Rattlesnake took the girl home with him, and > there she remained. In time she bore him four boys. Whenever these > children saw any people from the village, they would coil to strike, > but heir mother would say, No, you mustn't bite your relatives." And > the children would obey her. > > As the four rattlesnake boys grew older, they also grew more curious, > and one day they came in from playing and asked their mother, "Why > don't you talk the way we do? Why are you different?" "I'm not a > rattlesnake, like you and your father," she replied. "I'm a human > being." "Aren't you afraid of our father?" asked the boys, and she > shook her head. > > Then the oldest said that he had heard the other rattlesnakes > discussing her differences and deciding to crawl over her body to find > out what kind of creature she was. While this might have alarmed > another human, the rattlesnake's wife was not at all afraid. When the > other rattlesnakes came, she calmly let them crawl over her. > > Then she said to her oldest boy, "It's impossible for you to become a > human being, and though I'm not really human any longer, I must go > back to my parents and tell them what has happened." Ad so she > returned to the house with the center pole and said to her parents, > This is the last time that I will be able to talk to you and the last > time that you will be able to talk to me." Her father and mother were > sad, but they said nothing until their daughter started to leave. Then > her mother ran and caught her by the door, brought her back into he > house, and wept over her because she was so changed. But the girl > shook her body, and suddenly she was gone. No one ever knew how or > where she went, but they think she returned to Rattlesnake's house and > has lived there ever since. > > Based on a legend recorded by Samuel Barrett in 1933). > > (California) > > Reposted with Permission from Glenn Welker > >> From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories. > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Bettye: Many of my ancestors went to Texas from Alabama. In fact, My 4th great grandparents aided in the establishment of Houston. They received a grant in a place I think as I remember, mustang prairie. I got a letter from "Sons of the republic of Texas" said I was eligible as a "daughter of the Republic of Texas." Haven't sent for membership just keep the letter. My Great grandfather died in Henderson, nogatious I KNOW i spelled that wrong. I've never stopped in Texas, drove through it once for days I drove through it.SMILE I will go there again to do some research. Barb SC