You are welcome Alli. I don't know if she is on this list or not and it's not the type mail I'd want Dan to stomp my toes for by sending it to gene. I contact Debbie to see what she has to say. Thank you for the support....makes me feel better! Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > Wow that's sad to hear that a Researcher would assume everyone was like > the original person. > I believe that Debbie Woolf (who might just be on the Gene list) has done > some research on the Melungeon/Cherokee Connection. > > The person who originally caused the issue is on the Chickamauga list not > on any of these (Cherokee) list's right? > > That's definitely sad that she's gotten so closed minded that she'd assume > everyone is going to give her a bad time that she's not willing to help > others, especially not willing to help someone who admires her work. > > Thanks for filling us in. > > Alli > >> Sherry, Alli and all >> >> I had a reason for asking your opinion concerning the Melungeon/Cherokee >> relationship. Their exists a Chickamauga Researchers yahoo list. In >> trying to add to the knowledge base of the list I'd ask a very reputable >> researcher to join the list or to, at least, contribute in any way. She >> did not wish to join the forum as I later learned because she had been >> asked the question above by someone on the list (re:Melungeon/Cherokee). >> I did not know that was her reasoning at the time. >> >> A few days afterwards I received a copy of an email she had sent to 'that >> other' researcher. From the tone of the letter it was obvious she was >> peeved at him. I didn't understand why except that she had had earlier >> problems. I wrote her back in apology saying that I was sorry if I had >> caused her problems by inviting her to the forum and told her how much I >> respected her work...I still do. >> >> She wrote me back saying basically, 'no problem'. >> >> Curiosity set in about that time so I wrote her asking her her opinion >> concerning the relationship? Did she believe that there was none? >> >> Well, ladies, I got back a very scathing letter telling me that that was >> exactly what HE has asked her and she accused me of asking her for him >> when nothing was further from the truth. I actually hadn't even >> corresponded with him in quite sometime. Most certainly if I hadn't >> respected her opinion on the subject I certainly wouldn't have asked her. >> Now she has blocked my address. I don't understand why someone would be >> like that. She got fairly hateful with me. >> >> That is the reason I asked. >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 3/6/2006 > >

Glooscap and the Baby - Algonquian Glooscap, having conquered the Kewawkqu', a race of giants and magicians, and the Medecolin, who were cunning sorcerers, and Pamola, a wicked spirit of the night, besides hosts of fiends, goblins, cannibals, and witches, felt himself great indeed, and boasted to a woman that there was nothing left for him to subdue. But the woman laughed and said: "Are you quite sure, Master? There is still one who remains unconquered, and nothing can overcome him." In some surprise Glooscap inquired the name of this mighty one. "He is called Wasis," replied the woman, "but I strongly advise you to have no dealings with him." Wasis was only a baby, who sat on the floor sucking a piece of maple sugar and crooning a little song to himself. Now Glooscap had never married and was ignorant of how children are managed, but with perfect confidence he smiled at the baby and asked it to come to him. The baby smiled back but never moved, whereupon Glooscap imitated a beautiful birdsong. Wasis, however, paid no attention and went on sucking his maple sugar. Unaccustomed to such treatment, Glooscap lashed himself into a rage and in terrible and threatening accents ordered Wasis to come to him at once. But Wasis burst into dire howls, which quite drowned the god's thundering, and would not budge for any threats. Glooscap, thoroughly aroused, summoned all his magical resources. He recited the most terrible spells, the most dreadful incantations. He sang the songs which raise the dead, and those which send the devil scurrying to the nethermost depths. But Wasis merely smiled and looked a trifle bored. At last Glooscap rushed from the hut in despair, while Wasis, sitting on the floor, cried: "Goo, goo!" And to this day the Indians say that when a baby says "Goo," he remembers the time when he conquered the mighty Glooscap. From a tale reported by Lewis Spence around 1900 From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Sherry, Alli and all I had a reason for asking your opinion concerning the Melungeon/Cherokee relationship. Their exists a Chickamauga Researchers yahoo list. In trying to add to the knowledge base of the list I'd ask a very reputable researcher to join the list or to, at least, contribute in any way. She did not wish to join the forum as I later learned because she had been asked the question above by someone on the list (re:Melungeon/Cherokee). I did not know that was her reasoning at the time. A few days afterwards I received a copy of an email she had sent to 'that other' researcher. From the tone of the letter it was obvious she was peeved at him. I didn't understand why except that she had had earlier problems. I wrote her back in apology saying that I was sorry if I had caused her problems by inviting her to the forum and told her how much I respected her work...I still do. She wrote me back saying basically, 'no problem'. Curiosity set in about that time so I wrote her asking her her opinion concerning the relationship? Did she believe that there was none? Well, ladies, I got back a very scathing letter telling me that that was exactly what HE has asked her and she accused me of asking her for him when nothing was further from the truth. I actually hadn't even corresponded with him in quite sometime. Most certainly if I hadn't respected her opinion on the subject I certainly wouldn't have asked her. Now she has blocked my address. I don't understand why someone would be like that. She got fairly hateful with me. That is the reason I asked. Joyce Gaston Reece

Wow that's sad to hear that a Researcher would assume everyone was like the original person. I believe that Debbie Woolf (who might just be on the Gene list) has done some research on the Melungeon/Cherokee Connection. The person who originally caused the issue is on the Chickamauga list not on any of these (Cherokee) list's right? That's definitely sad that she's gotten so closed minded that she'd assume everyone is going to give her a bad time that she's not willing to help others, especially not willing to help someone who admires her work. Thanks for filling us in. Alli > Sherry, Alli and all > > I had a reason for asking your opinion concerning the Melungeon/Cherokee > relationship. Their exists a Chickamauga Researchers yahoo list. In > trying to add to the knowledge base of the list I'd ask a very reputable > researcher to join the list or to, at least, contribute in any way. She > did not wish to join the forum as I later learned because she had been > asked the question above by someone on the list (re:Melungeon/Cherokee). > I did not know that was her reasoning at the time. > > A few days afterwards I received a copy of an email she had sent to 'that > other' researcher. From the tone of the letter it was obvious she was > peeved at him. I didn't understand why except that she had had earlier > problems. I wrote her back in apology saying that I was sorry if I had > caused her problems by inviting her to the forum and told her how much I > respected her work...I still do. > > She wrote me back saying basically, 'no problem'. > > Curiosity set in about that time so I wrote her asking her her opinion > concerning the relationship? Did she believe that there was none? > > Well, ladies, I got back a very scathing letter telling me that that was > exactly what HE has asked her and she accused me of asking her for him > when nothing was further from the truth. I actually hadn't even > corresponded with him in quite sometime. Most certainly if I hadn't > respected her opinion on the subject I certainly wouldn't have asked her. > Now she has blocked my address. I don't understand why someone would be > like that. She got fairly hateful with me. > > That is the reason I asked. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

ROFLMBO I happened upon this list by mistake (or was it?) but that is hilarious. SRH -----Original Message----- From: shayne christen [mailto:shayne777@msn.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:45 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding LOL....don't forget...we are Star People ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsey Avery Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:45 AM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. hehehe ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:12:32 -0700 From what I've learned over the years by those who've researched the Melungeon is that they Claimed to be Melungeons as a way to "blend" in & not be 'punished' for being Indian. But I haven't personally studied anything about the Melungeon's so I'm not sure. I think my ancestors were aliens.......came here in a ship bred with the local people & took off again. Only explanation that works right now LOL (actually they were pretty stubborn & didn't want anyone to know anything about them) :) Alli :) >Alli > >Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be >Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? > > >Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Glooscap and His People - Wabanaki In the Old Time, long before the White Man came, the Indians believed that every rock and river, every tree and bird and animal, possessed a spirit--and some spirits were good and some were evil. Around these spirits, which they pictured as giants and wizards and magical animals, the Indians invented marvelous stories called "atookwakuns," or wonder tales. They tell these stories to amuse the children, even to this day, and the stories the children love best are the stories of Glooscap and his People. In the beginning, the Indians tell the children, there was just the forest and the sea--no people and no animals. Then Glooscap came. Where this wondrous giant was born and when, they cannot tell, but he came from somewhere in the Sky with Malsum his twin brother to the part of North America nearest the rising sun. There, anchoring his canoe, he turned it into a granite island covered with spruce and pine. He called the island Uktamkoo, the land we know to day as Newfoundland. This, in the beginning, was Glooscap's lodge. The Great Chief looked and lived like an ordinary Indian except that he was twice as tall and twice as strong, and possessed great magic. He was never sick, never married, never grew old, and never died. He had a magic belt which gave him great power, and he used this power only for good. Malsum, his brother, also great of stature, had the head of a wolf and the body of an Indian. He knew magic too, but he used his power for evil. It was the warm time when Glooscap came. As he set about his work, the air was fragrant with balsam and the tang of the sea. First, out of the rocks, he made the Little People--the fairies, or Megumoowesoos, small hairy creatures who dwelt among the rocks and made wonderful music on the flute, such music that all who heard it were bewitched. From amongst them, Glooscap chose a servant, Marten, who was like a younger brother to him. Next Glooscap made men. Taking up his great bow, he shot arrows into the trunks of ash trees. Out of the trees stepped men and women. They were a strong and graceful people with light brown skins and shining black hair, and Glooscap called them the Wabanaki, which means "those who live where the day breaks." In time, the Wabanaki left Uktamkoo and divided into separate tribes and are today a part of the great Algonquin nation--but in the old days only the Micmacs, Malicetes, Penobscots and Passamaquoddies, living in the eastern woodlands of Canada and the United States, were Glooscap's People. Gazing upon his handiwork, Glooscap was pleased and his shout of triumph made the tall pines bend like grass. He told the people he was their Great Chief and would rule them with love and justice. He taught them how to build birch bark wigwams and canoes, how to make weirs for catching fish, and how to identify plants useful in medicine. He taught them the names of all the Stars, who were his brothers. Then, from among them, he chose an elderly woman whom he called Noogumee, or grandmother, which is a term of respect amongst Indians for any elderly female. Noogumee was the Great Chief's housekeeper all her days. Now, finally, out of rocks and clay, Glooscap made the animals-- Miko the Squirrel, Team the Moose, Mooin the Bear, and many, many others. Malsum looked on enviously, thinking he too should have had a hand in creation, but he had not been given that power. However, he whispered an evil charm, and the remainder of the clay in Glooscap's hands twisted and fell to the ground in the form of a strange animal--not beaver, not badger, not wolverine, but some thing of all three, and capable of taking any of these forms he chose. "His name is Lox!" said Malsum triumphantly. "So be it," said Glooscap. "Let Lox live amongst us in peace, so long as he remains a friend." Yet he resolved to watch Lox closely, for he could read the heart and knew that Lox had Malsum's evil in him. Now Glooscap had made the animals all very large, most of them larger and stronger than man. Lox, the trouble maker, at once saw his chance to make mischief. He went in his wolverine body to Team the Moose and admired his fine antlers, which reached up to the top of the tallest pine tree. "If you should ever meet a man," said Lox, "you could toss him on your horns up to the top of the world." Now Team, who was just a little bit stupid, went at once to Glooscap and said, "Please, Master, give me a man, so I can toss him on my horns up to the top of the world!" "I should say not!" cried Glooscap, touching Team with his hand-- and the moose was suddenly the size he is today. Then Lox went in his badger form to the squirrel and said, "With that magnificent tail of yours, Miko, you could smash down every lodge in the village." "So I could," said Miko proudly, and with his great tail he swept the nearest wigwam right off the ground. But the Great Chief was near. He caught Miko up in his hand and stroked the squirrel's back until he was as small as he is today. "From now on," said his Master, "you will live in trees and keep your tail where it belongs." And since that time Miko the Squirrel has carried his bushy tail on his back. Next, the rascally Lox put on his beaver shape and went to Mooin the Bear, who was hardly any bigger than he is today, but had a much larger throat. "Mooin," said Lox slyly, "supposing you met a man, what would you do to him?" The bear scratched his head thoughtfully. "Eat him," he said at last, with a grin. "Yes, that's what I'd do--I'd swallow him whole!" And having said this, Mooin felt his throat begin to shrink. "From now on," said Glooscap sternly, "you may swallow only very small creatures." And today the bear, big as he is, eats only small animals, fish and wild berries. Now the Great Chief was greatly annoyed at the way his animals were behaving, and wondered if he ought to have made them. He summoned them all and gave them a solemn warning: "I have made you man's equal, but you wish to be his master. Take care--or he may become yours!" This did not worry the troublemaker Lox, who only resolved to be more cunning in the future. He knew very well that Malsum was jealous of Glooscap and wished to be lord of the Indians himself. He also knew that both brothers had magic powers and that neither could be killed except in one certain way. What that way was, each kept secret--from all but the Stars, whom they trusted. Each sometimes talked in the starlight to the people of the Sky. "Little does Malsum know," said Glooscap to the Stars, "that I can never be killed except by the blow of a flowering rush." And not far off, Malsum boasted to those same Stars --"I am quite safe from Glooscap's power. I can do any thing I like, for nothing can harm me but the roots of a flowering fern." Now, alas, Lox was hidden close by and overheard both secrets. Seeing how he might turn this to his own advantage, he went to Malsum and said with a knowing smile, "What will you give me, Malsum, if I tell you Glooscap's secret?" "Anything you like," cried Malsum. "Quick--tell me!" "Nothing can hurt Glooscap save a flowering rush," said the traitor. "Now give me a pair of wings, like the pigeon, so I can fly." But Malsum laughed. "What need has a beaver of wings?" And kicking the troublemaker aside, he sped to find a flowering rush. Lox picked himself up furiously and hurried to Glooscap. "Master!" he cried, "Malsum knows your secret and is about to kill you. If you would save yourself, know that only a fern root can destroy him!" Glooscap snatched up the nearest fern, root and all, just in time--for his evil brother was upon him, shouting his war cry. And all the animals, who were angry at Glooscap for reducing their size and power, cheered Malsum; but the Indians were afraid for their Master. Glooscap braced his feet against a cliff, and Malsum paused. For a moment, the two crouched face to face, waiting for the moment to strike. Then the wolf-like Malsum lunged at Glooscap's head. Twisting his body aside, the Great Chief flung his weapon. It went swift to its target, and Malsum leapt back--too late. The fern root pierced his envious heart, and he died. Now the Indians rejoiced, and the animals crept sullenly away. Only Lox came to Glooscap, impudently. "I'll have my reward now, Master," he said, "a pair of wings, like the pigeon's." "Faithless creature!" Glooscap thundered, knowing full well who had betrayed him, "I made no such bargain. Be gone!" And he hurled stone after stone at the fleeing Lox. Where the stones fell--in Minas Basin--they turned into islands and are there still. And the banished Lox roams the world to this day, appealing to the evil in men's hearts and making trouble wherever he goes. Now Glooscap called his people around him and said, "I made the animals to be man's friends, but they have acted with selfishness and treachery. Hereafter, they shall be your servants and provide you with food and clothing." Then he showed the men how to make bows and arrows and stone- tipped spears, and how to use them. He also showed the women how to scrape hides and turn them into clothing. "Now you have power over even the largest wild creatures," he said. "Yet I charge you to use this power gently. If you take more game than you need for food and clothing, or kill for the pleasure of killing, then you will be visited by a pitiless giant named Famine, and when he comes among men, they suffer hunger and die." The Indians readily promised to obey Glooscap in this, as in all things. But now, to their dismay, they saw Marten launch the Master's canoe and Noogumee entering it with Glooscap's household goods. Glooscap was leaving them! "I must dwell now in a separate place," said the Great Chief, "so that you, my people, will learn to stand alone, and become brave and resourceful. Nevertheless, I shall never be far from you, and whoever seeks me diligently in time of trouble will find me." Then, waving farewell to his sorrowful Wabanaki, Glooscap set off for the mainland. Rounding the southern tip of what is now Nova Scotia, the Great Chief paddled up the Bay of Fundy. In the distance, where the Bay narrows and the great tides of Fundy rush into Minas Basin, Glooscap saw a long purple headland, like a moose swimming, with clouds for antlers, and headed his canoe in that direction. Landing, he gazed at the slope of red sandstone, with its groves of green trees at the summit, and admired the amethysts encircling its base like a string of purple beads. "Here I shall build my lodge," said Glooscap, and he named the place Blomidon. Now Glooscap dwelt on Blomidon a very long time, and during that time did many wonderful things for his People. From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. hehehe ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:12:32 -0700 From what I've learned over the years by those who've researched the Melungeon is that they Claimed to be Melungeons as a way to "blend" in & not be 'punished' for being Indian. But I haven't personally studied anything about the Melungeon's so I'm not sure. I think my ancestors were aliens.......came here in a ship bred with the local people & took off again. Only explanation that works right now LOL (actually they were pretty stubborn & didn't want anyone to know anything about them) :) Alli :) >Alli > >Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be >Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? > > >Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

LOL....don't forget...we are Star People ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsey Avery Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:45 AM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. hehehe ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:12:32 -0700 From what I've learned over the years by those who've researched the Melungeon is that they Claimed to be Melungeons as a way to "blend" in & not be 'punished' for being Indian. But I haven't personally studied anything about the Melungeon's so I'm not sure. I think my ancestors were aliens.......came here in a ship bred with the local people & took off again. Only explanation that works right now LOL (actually they were pretty stubborn & didn't want anyone to know anything about them) :) Alli :) >Alli > >Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be >Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? > > >Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

shadow bear not all ndn tribes were the same.you are cherokee so think like cherokee.we give others good but not all tribes did the same as us.amma ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] The indian > When the invaders started writting about us they hade to sell their > books==every read how the indian man just sit around and let woman do > all the work==This is just more nonsence==He had to bring in the food > and the fire wood and dig up the garden and carry the garden produce and > build the house and be the warrior and answer to the clan just try to > think of how it would be ti live in those times > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Actually I just heard that last night. And, um, I'm not actually sure what "Melungeon" is. ;) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:04:37 -0500 Alli Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding >The Indian ancestors were quiet (most of them) about their heritage. They >hid in various ways to protect themselves & their family from the >Government. I think that's what the "hiding" topic was originally about. > >But today, yes some Indians aren't shy......but I don't think for the same >reason. > >I have a Great Grandfather (James Jefferson Johnson) who as far as I know >is not Indian, but he was VERY secretive about his family. No one except >maybe 1 person that I'm aware of, knew the names of his parents. And I'm >not sure how she found out. But if it wasn't for her knowing & passing it >down to my dad those names would be lost forever. As he disowned them as a >young teenager. There are no records of them that I have found so far & >still haven't located them in census records anywhere. He was also married >prior to my Great Grandma & had 2 kids. This too was kept a "secret". Not >sure why but rumor has it that she was a short tempered Indian woman. Not >sure how true it is. But based on the location of the divorce >decree/journal, I am thinking its possible. He was "abandoned" for 3 mos. >prior to seeking a divorce. So I have wondered if other Indian tribes were >the same as the Cherokee, when the woman sought a divorce she kicked his >things out. But so far the only relative I have found that may have had a >clue to this first family died many years ago & either his daughter doesn't >really know or just refuses to tell me. > >Secret's for various reasons were a 'normal' way years ago. And are making >things difficult for us today. > >Alli :) > >>dont think being quiet is a ndn trait .some of the full bloods i have >>known were talkative and funny.it is a personality trait being quiet in >>all races.i think humor is more common in ndn.go to a pow wow and learn >>quietly.anna > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006 > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Glooscap - Micmac The tradition respecting Glooscap is that he came to this country from the east,--far across the great sea; that he was a divine being, though in the form of a man. He was not far from any of the Indians (this is the identical rendering of the Indian words used by my friend Stephen in relating the sketches of his history here given). When Glooscap went away, he went toward the west.[11] There he is still tented; and two important personages are near him, who are called Kuhkw and Coolpujot,--of whom more anon. Glooscap was the friend and teacher of the Indians; all they knew of the arts he taught them.[12] He taught them the names of the constellations and stars; he taught them how to hunt and fish, and cure what they took; how to cultivate the ground, as far as they were trained in husbandry. When he first came, he brought a woman with him, whom he ever addressed as Grandmother,[13]--a very general epithet for an old woman. She was not his wife, nor did he ever have a wife. He was always sober, grave, and good; all that the Indians knew of what was wise and good he taught them. His canoe was a granite rock.[14] On one occasion he put to sea in this craft, and took a young woman with him as a passenger. She proved to be a bad girl; and this was manifested by the troubles that ensued. A storm arose, and the waves dashed wildly over the canoe; he accused her of being the cause, through her evil deeds, and so he determined to rid himself of her. For this purpose he stood in for the land, leaped ashore, but would not allow her to follow; putting his foot against the heavy craft, he pushed it off to sea again with the girl on it, telling her to become whatever she desired to be. She was transformed into a large, ferocious fish, called by the Indians keeganibe, said to have a huge dorsal fin,--like the sail of a boat, it is so large and high out of the water. The Indians sometimes visit Glooscap at his present residence, so says tradition; this is in a beautiful land in the west. He taught them when he was with them that there was such a place, and led them to look forward to a residence there, and to call it their beautiful home in the far west,--where, if good, they would go at death. The journey to that fair region far away is long, difficult, and dangerous; the way back is short and easy. Some years ago, seven stout-hearted young men attempted the journey, and succeeded. Before reaching the place, they had to pass over a mountain, the ascent of which was up a perpendicular bluff, and the descent on the other side was still more difficult, for the top hung far over the base. The fearful and unbelieving could not pass at all; but the good and confident could travel it with ease and safety, as though it were a level path. Having crossed the mountain, the road ran between the heads of two huge serpents, which lay just opposite each other; and they darted out their tongues, so as to destroy whomsoever they hit. But the good and the firm of heart could dart past between the strokes of their tongues, so as to evade them.[113b] One more difficulty remained; it was a wall, as of a thick, heavy cloud, that separated the present world from that beautiful region beyond. This cloudy wall rose and fell at intervals, and struck the ground with such force that whatever was caught under it would be crushed to atoms; but the good could dart under when it rose, and come out on the other side unscathed.[15] This our seven young heroes succeeded in doing. There they found three wigwams,--one for Glooscap, one for Coolpujot, and one for Kuhkw. These are all mighty personages, but Glooscap is supreme; the other two are subordinates. Coolpujot has no bones. He cannot move himself, but is rolled over each spring and fall by Glooscap's order, being turned with handspikes; hence the name Coolpujot (rolled over by handspikes). In the autumn he is turned towards the west, in the spring towards the east; and this is a figure of speech, denoting the revolving seasons of the year,[16]--his mighty breath and looks, by which he can sweep down whole armies and work wonders on a grand scale, indicating the weather: frost, snow, ice, and sunshine. (Such was Stephen's very satisfactory explanation.) Kuhkw means Earthquake; this mighty personage can pass along under the surface of the ground, making all things shake and tremble by his power. All these seven visitors had requests to proffer, and each received what he asked for;[17] though the gift did not always correspond with the spirit of the request, it oftentimes agreed with the letter. For instance, one of these seven visitors was wonderfully enamoured of a fine country, and expressed a desire to remain there, and to live long; whereupon, at Glooscap's direction, Earthquake took him and stood him up, and he became a cedar-tree.[18] When the wind blew through its boughs, they were bent and broken with great fracas,--making a thunder-storm that rolled far and wide over the country, accompanied by strong winds, which scattered the cedar-boughs and seeds in all directions, producing all the cedar-groves that exist in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and elsewhere. The other men started, and reached home in a short time. One of them had asked for a medicine that would be effectual in curing disease. This he obtained; but, neglecting to follow implicitly the directions given, he lost it before he reached home. It was carefully wrapped up in a piece of paper, and he was charged not to undo the parcel until he reached home. His curiosity got the better of his judgment; he could not see what difference it could make if he just looked at his prize as he was going along. So he undid the parcel, and presto! the medicine slipped out on the ground, spread and slid in all directions, covering up the face of the earth, and vanishing from sight.[19] On another occasion several young men went to see Glooscap in his present abode. One of them went to obtain the power of winning the heart of some fair one, which all his unaided skill had failed hitherto to do; an hundred times he had tried to get a wife, but the girls all shunned him. Many of the party who started on this perilous expedition failed to overcome the difficulties that lay in their way, and turned back, baffled and defeated; but several of them succeeded. They were all hospitably entertained; all presented their requests, and were favorably heard. The man who sought power to captivate some female heart was the last to proffer his petition. Glooscap and his two subordinates conferred together in a whisper, and then Earthquake informed him that his ugly looks and still more ugly manners were the chief hindrances to his success; but they must try to help him. So he was handed a small parcel, and directed not to open it until he reached his own village; this he took, and they all set off for home together. The night before they arrived, he could restrain his curiosity no longer; he opened the parcel, the foolish fellow! Out flew young women by the scores and hundreds, covering the face of the earth, piling themselves in towering heaps, and burying the poor fellow, crushing him to the earth under the accumulating weight of their bodies. His comrades had cautioned him against disobeying the mandate, and had begged him not to undo the parcel; but he had not heeded the caution. They now heard him calling for help, but he called in vain, they could not help him; and his cries became fainter and fainter, and finally ceased altogether. Morning came at last. The young women had all vanished, and the fragments of their comrade were scattered over the ground; he had been killed and ground to atoms as the result of his unbridled curiosity and disobedience. (MICMAC: Silas T Rand, Legends of the Micmacs, p. 232, No. 35) From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

From what I've learned over the years by those who've researched the Melungeon is that they Claimed to be Melungeons as a way to "blend" in & not be 'punished' for being Indian. But I haven't personally studied anything about the Melungeon's so I'm not sure. I think my ancestors were aliens.......came here in a ship bred with the local people & took off again. Only explanation that works right now LOL (actually they were pretty stubborn & didn't want anyone to know anything about them) :) Alli :) > Alli > > Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be > Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? > > > Joyce Gaston Reece

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Alli Do you believe that some Cherokee or Native Americans claimed to be Melungeon or were 'mixed' with Melungeon's? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > The Indian ancestors were quiet (most of them) about their heritage. They > hid in various ways to protect themselves & their family from the > Government. I think that's what the "hiding" topic was originally about. > > But today, yes some Indians aren't shy......but I don't think for the same > reason. > > I have a Great Grandfather (James Jefferson Johnson) who as far as I know > is not Indian, but he was VERY secretive about his family. No one except > maybe 1 person that I'm aware of, knew the names of his parents. And I'm > not sure how she found out. But if it wasn't for her knowing & passing it > down to my dad those names would be lost forever. As he disowned them as a > young teenager. There are no records of them that I have found so far & > still haven't located them in census records anywhere. He was also married > prior to my Great Grandma & had 2 kids. This too was kept a "secret". Not > sure why but rumor has it that she was a short tempered Indian woman. Not > sure how true it is. But based on the location of the divorce > decree/journal, I am thinking its possible. He was "abandoned" for 3 mos. > prior to seeking a divorce. So I have wondered if other Indian tribes were > the same as the Cherokee, when the woman sought a divorce she kicked his > things out. But so far the only relative I have found that may have had a > clue to this first family died many years ago & either his daughter > doesn't really know or just refuses to tell me. > > Secret's for various reasons were a 'normal' way years ago. And are making > things difficult for us today. > > Alli :) > >> dont think being quiet is a ndn trait .some of the full bloods i have >> known were talkative and funny.it is a personality trait being quiet in >> all races.i think humor is more common in ndn.go to a pow wow and learn >> quietly.anna > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006 > >

When the invaders started writting about us they hade to sell their books==every read how the indian man just sit around and let woman do all the work==This is just more nonsence==He had to bring in the food and the fire wood and dig up the garden and carry the garden produce and build the house and be the warrior and answer to the clan just try to think of how it would be ti live in those times SHADOW BEAR

The Indian ancestors were quiet (most of them) about their heritage. They hid in various ways to protect themselves & their family from the Government. I think that's what the "hiding" topic was originally about. But today, yes some Indians aren't shy......but I don't think for the same reason. I have a Great Grandfather (James Jefferson Johnson) who as far as I know is not Indian, but he was VERY secretive about his family. No one except maybe 1 person that I'm aware of, knew the names of his parents. And I'm not sure how she found out. But if it wasn't for her knowing & passing it down to my dad those names would be lost forever. As he disowned them as a young teenager. There are no records of them that I have found so far & still haven't located them in census records anywhere. He was also married prior to my Great Grandma & had 2 kids. This too was kept a "secret". Not sure why but rumor has it that she was a short tempered Indian woman. Not sure how true it is. But based on the location of the divorce decree/journal, I am thinking its possible. He was "abandoned" for 3 mos. prior to seeking a divorce. So I have wondered if other Indian tribes were the same as the Cherokee, when the woman sought a divorce she kicked his things out. But so far the only relative I have found that may have had a clue to this first family died many years ago & either his daughter doesn't really know or just refuses to tell me. Secret's for various reasons were a 'normal' way years ago. And are making things difficult for us today. Alli :) > dont think being quiet is a ndn trait .some of the full bloods i have > known were talkative and funny.it is a personality trait being quiet in > all races.i think humor is more common in ndn.go to a pow wow and learn > quietly.anna

I liked Shadowbears thoughts on this. I am sure we have other old NA here, would like to read more reviews on this from some of the older people . Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat

I would not worry about how they show up on the census. It might show a lots of things, mostly the census takes own opinions, mulatto, blackdutch etc: I think in those days the Indian was willing totake any thing as long as it was not Indian. I would go more by the personal research of each individual and who they had a relationship with rather than accept any other means of descriptions. Do not make the decision until you make the research personal and even goto those places in person for research, do not always trust the web, this is second to 10th hand at best . GO there, read the old papers in person - only 1 mill of research is on the web. There are so many things that will never be on it. And less and less all the time as new laws are passed , even those papers you need will be banned to view. ( sooner than you think ) Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Lost > And this is the problem I am having finding my family. my mother died when I > was very young, and almost nothing was known about her family. But I was > always told that she was part Choctaw or Cherokee. So i've been researching > her family, and most surnames I've researched are listed on the dawes roll, > but on the census so far everyone has shown up as white. And to make things > harder, it looks like her family stayed in Mississippi instead of going to > Oklahoma. So if they were Choctaw or Cherokee they probably didn't get > listed on the dawes roll, cause they didn't go to Oklahoma. > *Sigh* >

If you go to my website - scroll down then click Enter Native America - you will find lots of other lists. http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Genealogy_Community.html Dan M Cherokee-L Admin www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat

hehehe thanks a lot Alli :) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Just a little something-Lindsey Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:46:30 -0700 No stupid questions (even though I ask a lot of them LOL) Yep, that's a RW. its the "Sister" List to this one. :) Alli ;) >Hey Alli, >I just caught your message about the CherokeeGene list. Pardon the stupid >question, but is that a list on rootsweb as well? Cause I am also doing >alot of research, apparently my family were quite good at hiding ;), and I >want to subscribe to that list as well. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx