We are getting soaked here Shadow Bear....even as I write...but thankfully no severe stuff...yet Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Storms > How did you do with this storm that just happened? > > SHADOW BEAR > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > >

How did you do with this storm that just happened? SHADOW BEAR

When I write about my tribe==that is the way it was and is==can't change my mind==all my memorys are from this place==also my mind is made on the invaders==when they have distroyed the last tree and distroyed the last of the water and dug thier last hole==I will be friendly I will wave when the last of thier boats go by SHADOW BEAR

Glooscap Fights The Water Monster - Micmac Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world, He never grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap gets tired of running the world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic white canoe and disappears in misty clouds. But he always comes back. He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. Glooscap was a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was as big as a whale. "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're too destructive for your size," said Glooscap, and remade him small. The first beaver was also as big as a whale, and it built a dam that flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the back, and it shrank to its present size. The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in its path-forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should be. Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as Glooscap had made it. The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source of the spring to see why it had run dry. This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook widened out. There was some water in it, not much, but a little, though it was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for himself." "Where is your chief?" asked the man. "you must follow the brook further up," they told him. The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one stood at his feet, one would not see his head. The monster filled the whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and dammed it up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And he fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists covered its slimy surface. The monster had a mile-wide mouth going from ear to ear. His dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far downstream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't muddy it so much." The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: Do as you please, Do as you please, I don't care, I don't care, If you want water, If you want water, Go elsewhere! The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." The monster replied: I don't care, I don't care, Don't bother me, Don't bother me, Go away, Go away, Or I'll swallow you up! The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man could see many things that the creature has killed. The monster gulped a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all," The people were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among the thunder and lightning, with mighty eagles circling above him. Thus Glooscap came to the village of the people with webbed hands and feet. "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They brought him a little muddy water. "I think I'll get some more and cleaner water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want clean water," he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! All the waters are mine! All the waters are mine! Go away! Go away! Or I'll kill you! "Slimy hump of mud!" cried Glooscap, "We'll see who will be killed!" They fought. The monster shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The monster opened its huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of the east. "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the monster and squeezed him with his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this giant creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrog's skin has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. Retold from several nineteenth-century sources. From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER: Greetings My Relatives: I say relatives for we are all related in some way. Each year I make statements commemorating the Oglala incident or the anniversary of my imprisonment. Sometimes sitting here in my cell, looking through my glasses, they no longer take the blur away like they once did. I think about the lifetimes I've spent behind these walls. Sometimes for a prisoner, it's like you've died to your friends and family. The only difference is that you can talk to them on occasion and sometimes see them. I have spent my life trying to make a difference in the world, for the better. Sometimes someone notices in some way and says thank you for something I was involved with. However my greatest joy comes from someone saying that something I said or was involved with inspired them to be better than they were or seek for themselves to make the world a better place. I remember in my youth that I had a hard time expressing deep feelings but after years of losing friends and relatives who were very close to me, I have come to cherish the opportunity to speak to you even though it be by letter or some other way. This is the second statement I've written today. My first was quite political in nature but after thinking about it I realized most of you get to read the same papers, watch the same news channels that I do. When you're 30 you can hardly imagine dying. When you're 61 you know it's entirely possible and could come anytime. Having said that I want to say a few things from my heart to your heart. Seek the creator in all the things you do. Cherish your time with one another. Develop your personal self discipline, which is the key to all success. Develop a sense of happiness within you that none can take away. Develop who you are and remain true to your higher self and your integrity will be an inspiration to others. Show your strengths when necessary, even if it is in being gentle or humble. Speak of others in private the same way you would in their presence. Do your best to find the good in all people and stand and speak up against wrong doing. Respect the earth where you stand. Many parts of Mother Earth are also held captive behind concrete and steel. Do your best to recognize inspiration from the Creator and avoid listening to your own, especially when you are tempted in contradiction of your higher values. Never be too proud to say you were wrong or too fearful to stand up for what you know is right. Don't expect to not get hurt by life, just because you've done your best to do what's right. Especially - don't lose your sense of humor, even when the laughter is at your own expense. Life is a learning place. Existence is forever. Challenges are only challenges because life has given you an opportunity to grow in an area of your fear or weakness. Perhaps I've talked too much, eh? I want to thank all of you for remembering me. Most of all I want to thank all of you who have chosen to make a difference for the betterment of this world. I know we don't all have the same capabilities or resources and I know from experience and history that there will always be those who would commit injustice against others. I know this is the way of things in the past and it will continue in the future. But I also know that if has touched our hearts to do so, we must each, in our own way, in our own time, be part of the cure against the sicknesses of greed, wealth mongering and nature destruction that faces all mankind. We can't individually stop it or even collectively, however, we can sure slow it up and, pray to the Creator that his intervention will prevail. Seriously, know that I love you and that you will be in my prayers. Thirty years ago on February 6th, or March 6th, I would hardly have been able to express these feelings. I thank you for your patience, your time, your support, and your loyalty and for allowing me to share this existence with you. As someone once said, we are all climbing the same mountain, just from different sides. In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, Mitakuye oyasin! Leonard Peltier --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks Bettye, no you don't have to go searching for the company, to be honest I probably couldn't afford it right now anyway. But thanks for the info! Maybe when my son gets older he might want to try it. Wow, you're having an even worse problem than I am with my family! I don't know how I could help, but if you think of something, let me know. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:46 -0600 Lindsey, forgive the butting in, but the DNA tests have been a hot item on the Crockett-L URL's for several months. There does seem to be a more respected "company" , but I would have to go back and check. This DNA testing is done on Males only, and they are trying to determine which of the early lines they connect back to, all hoping to be descendants of David "Alamo fame" Crockett. My 3 gr.grandmother was Nancy Crockett, born in TN in ca 1771/1777 who married Martin Wiginton/Wigginton and together they raised 13 children. And, I have been trying to find and prove who her parents were, nothing more, nothing less. As it is, we can't take Nancy's line back any further. There is a Cherokee marriage in between Martin and his gr.grandfather, and my maternal 3 gr.grandmother is Lena ----- Dyer (married name) who is supposed to be 1/2 Cherokee. I need help EVERYWHERE!. If you'd like, I will take the trouble to get which company they are using with the greatest amount of success - I do know you need the 25/35 marker test to do you much good. As a female, I just read and observe. Bettye Woodhull betron1@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding >Hey Joyce, >I've thought about getting one of those DNA tests. Are they pretty accurate >in your experience? Do you recommend a certain company? > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:34:15 -0500 > >Sherry > >Thank you for an honest response, in any case. *G* > >Joyce Gaston Reece >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> >To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:31 PM >Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > > >>The Melungeons...well, I have a "friend" and a member of her family >>wrote a book about the Melungeons. Personally, I do not believe that >>the Melungeons exist in the way everyone has been lead to believe that >>they do. Last summer this "friend" had invited me over with a couple of >>other people. One woman found a way to work in a question about my >>ethnicity and my "friend" responded for me by saying that I was >>Melungeon. I am not. For one...I have had a DNA test and nothing >>supports any African American ancestry or the Turkis origins once >>claimed by the melungoens. . I do not think that the Cherokee have any >>connection to this group commonly called the "Melungeons". I think the >>Melungeons are simple a mixed race people like most of America today and >>someone is trying to capitalize on that. >> >>I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not >>read the initial text. 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Repeat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Cherokee DNA > OK, good news: your mailing list is ready to roll. Briefly (very), > people can subscribe to your list in mail mode by sending a message > to CHEROKEE-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word > > subscribe > > and nothing else. If they prefer digest mode, they should send the > command instead to CHEROKEE-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ======================================== > All DNA focus will be done on the new list. > Any one can respectfully join and direct new people to the new list. > > thanks > list owner - creator => Me - Dan M >

DNA is off topic here. We do have a Cherokee-DNA list. People can join, then invite those to the list with a signature line Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb

Glooscap and Winpe - Wabanaki In the Old Time of the Wabanaki, a wizard named Winpe ruled over the cold Northern Sea and had his lodge on a rocky island guarded by icebergs. Winpe was a powerful giant, cheerful but quick- tempered, who delighted in games and tests of magic. Now when his messenger, Gray Gull, brought him tales of another great magician named Glooscap, who ruled over the land of the Wabanaki, Winpe at once sent a challenge. Glooscap returned word by Gray Gull that all his days were busy caring for his people and he had no time for games. Disappointed and angry, Winpe sent the lord of men and beasts this message: "Accept my challenge, Glooscap, or men will call you coward!" The Great Chief said to Gray Gull in reply, "Tell your master I know my people and they know me. I care not what fools call me." When Winpe heard this, he smashed his fist against a huge rock and split it end to end, and the sound of his voice echoed around the icebergs. "By all the gods of Sea and Sky, Glooscap shall compete with me before the moon grows full again!" One evening soon afterwards, the Great Chief returned from hunting, and found his lodge empty. This was unusual, for Marten was always faithful, and Noogumee should at this hour be preparing his evening meal. Then Glooscap noticed that his dish of magic food lay overturned by the fire, as if Noogumee had been suddenly disturbed at her cooking. Glooscap strode from his lodge to the edge of Blomidon and looked down. Far below, he saw a great canoe slide into the waters of Minas Basin. An Indian as tall as himself, but clothed all in furs, held his paddle high in mocking salute. It was Winpe the Wizard, and in the bottom of his canoe, bound and helpless, lay Noogumee and Marten. Calling his two dogs, Day and Night, Glooscap started down the slope. Leaping ahead, the dogs dashed into the waves and swam after Winpe's canoe, but the wizard reached out and scooped the two dogs into his hands. He breathed on them with his arctic breath and they began to shrink. Once, twice, three times his breath passed over them, and the great dogs became as little puppies. Then Winpe set them in a wooden dish and floated them back to shore. "Now, O Chief," he shouted triumphantly, "we have had our first contest. Follow if you can, and we will see who has the greater power!" And with one thrust of his paddle, he sent the canoe flying across Minas Basin. Glooscap sprang into his own canoe and set off in furious pursuit. He was a mighty paddler and crossed Minas Basin before you could say Ableegumooch. Even so, when he reached the far shore, Winpe and his captives were out of sight. The Great Chief looked for the prow mark of Winpe's canoe and, finding it, followed the foot marks that led off into the forest. All that day and all the next, he raced along the trail, leaping fallen trees and tumbling brooks, knowing from the position of a twig or a strip of bark left secretly by Marten that he was on the right track. On the third day the path opened into a clearing and before him stood a crooked old woman with live toads growing out of her hair. "Kwah-ee, grandmother," cried Glooscap. "Have you seen Winpe the Wizard?" "Yes, indeed," said she. "He passed this morning. Follow me and I'll lead you to him by a shorter way." And lifting her skirts, she ran like the wind. She ran so fast that Glooscap had difficulty keeping her in sight. He ran faster, and still faster, until--just as he caught up with her--she vanished! Then Glooscap knew he had been fooled. The toad woman had led him far off Winpe's trail. However, Glooscap was not dismayed. Returning to the clearing, he found the trail again and followed it by moon light all through the night. As the sun rose, he heard the roar of the sea and found himself at the edge of the Atlantic Ocean. But even the sea could not stop the Wabanaki hero. "Bootup!" he shouted mightily, "Bootup, your Master has need of you!" Out of the sea rolled the great whale with his white plume of pipe smoke streaming behind him. Glooscap leapt upon his back, saying, "Carry me to the Northern Sea, to the home of Winpe the Wizard." As Bootup swam north, the ocean grew colder and colder, and great ice-cakes floated past. At last, Glooscap saw a black island loom up behind a dazzling ring of blue-white icebergs. Slipping between the guardian peaks, Bootup set his master ashore at the mouth of a river which cut its way under the rocks. "This underground river leads to Winpe's lodge, Master," Bootup said, "but I am too wide to swim through. I shall take a nap here until your return." Glooscap sprang off Bootup's back into the icy water, and as he waded into the darkness of the tunnel, the rock roof grew lower and lower, and the sides began to close in. Soon he had to walk sideways to keep from being scraped, and finally it was a struggle to squeeze through at all. Then, suddenly, he stumbled through into a wide cavern--and he and the wizard stood face to face! The giant grinned broadly. "Welcome, friend. Now we can have our contest." "I came only to take my companions away," said Glooscap coldly, and Noogumee and Marten started forward joyfully. Just then there was the ominous sound of grinding rock, and looking back, Glooscap saw the rock wall close in behind him with a fearful crash. He too was a prisoner! "Our contest will be in three parts," said Winpe calmly, "and when it is over, you and your friends may go in peace." Glooscap now saw that it would be quicker in the end to agree. "Very well," said he, "but let it be quick, for I have more important things to do." Winpe, pointing to strings of ice-blue sapphires and shining pearls hung about the cave, said that Glooscap might have what he wished for his prize if he won. "If I win," said Winpe, "I claim your amethyst beads." Glooscap nodded agreement and the first test began. Expanding his great chest, Winpe filled his lungs with the icy vapor of the Arctic and exhaled it in great blasts about the cave. Noogumee and Marten began to shake in the frosty air, but Glooscap did not even shiver. Winpe blew an even colder blast, and ice began to coat their bodies. By now, Noogumee and Marten lay stretched out as stiff as icicles. "Your cave has grown warm," muttered Glooscap, his tongue moving with difficulty between his frozen teeth. "Can't you cool it?" Winpe shrugged and smiled his defeat. Now it was Glooscap's turn. The Great Chief arose, made a small fire, and touched his magic belt. At once a great supply of firewood and oil appeared and fell upon the fire, and the flames shot up to the top of the cave. Marten and Noogumee, who had revived with the warmth, now wilted under the red-hot blasts of air from the fire. Choked by the fumes they fell back, once more unconscious. But Winpe sat in his place without moving. His beard was singed and great drops of sweat hissed as they rolled down his burning skin, yet he managed to speak through parched lips. "Don't you find it somewhat chilly in here, my friend?" he asked. "Put more wood on the fire." Glooscap saw that his efforts were useless and let the fire die, and Noogumee and Marten came back to life again. "We are even so far," cried Winpe. "Now for the final test!" He brought forth two long sticks with webbing at the ends, and gave one of them to Glooscap together with a stuffed moose hide ball. "This is a game I call tokhonon. As you see, I have set up two posts at each end of my cave. We must strike the ball back and forth, never touching it with our hands, and who ever first drives it between the other's goal posts, wins!" Glooscap nodded his understanding, and the match began. Ah, what a game that was! The two great heroes, each so tall and powerful, struck out with such force their sticks tore holes in the rock, and the whole cave trembled and cracked. Outside in the sea, Bootup woke with a start and heard with alarm the awesome rumbling. The black island heaved and shook, causing the waves to rise and sweep over Bootup's head. For the space of three suns, while Noogumee and Marten watched breathlessly, the game continued without pause. Both players were by now nearly exhausted, yet neither had a single thought of giving in. Suddenly Glooscap thought of the time that was passing. How were his people managing without him? What if Badger were up to some new tricks? The thought gave him fresh energy and, leaping high in the air, he struck the ball with such force it turned into a ball of fire and shot, burning, into Winpe's goal. Winpe stepped back, his jaw falling with dismay. Then, slowly, he summoned up a grin and came and slapped Glooscap on the shoulder. "You are the winner," he said heartily. "It was a good game. Now choose your prize." Glooscap looked at Winpe's strings of pearls and sapphires and shook his head. He held out his hand for Winpe's webbed stick. "Give me the game," he said. Now in his time, Glooscap had given many good gifts to his people--the forests, the streams, the fish and the animals--but no gift was cherished more than the game he brought back to them from Winpe's island, the game the Indians called tokhonon, the game the white man was one day to copy and call lacrosse. And, with this last adventure, kespeadooksit--the story ends. From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Lindsey, forgive the butting in, but the DNA tests have been a hot item on the Crockett-L URL's for several months. There does seem to be a more respected "company" , but I would have to go back and check. This DNA testing is done on Males only, and they are trying to determine which of the early lines they connect back to, all hoping to be descendants of David "Alamo fame" Crockett. My 3 gr.grandmother was Nancy Crockett, born in TN in ca 1771/1777 who married Martin Wiginton/Wigginton and together they raised 13 children. And, I have been trying to find and prove who her parents were, nothing more, nothing less. As it is, we can't take Nancy's line back any further. There is a Cherokee marriage in between Martin and his gr.grandfather, and my maternal 3 gr.grandmother is Lena ----- Dyer (married name) who is supposed to be 1/2 Cherokee. I need help EVERYWHERE!. If you'd like, I will take the trouble to get which company they are using with the greatest amount of success - I do know you need the 25/35 marker test to do you much good. As a female, I just read and observe. Bettye Woodhull betron1@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > Hey Joyce, > I've thought about getting one of those DNA tests. Are they pretty > accurate in your experience? Do you recommend a certain company? > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:34:15 -0500 > > Sherry > > Thank you for an honest response, in any case. *G* > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:31 PM > Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > > >>The Melungeons...well, I have a "friend" and a member of her family >>wrote a book about the Melungeons. Personally, I do not believe that >>the Melungeons exist in the way everyone has been lead to believe that >>they do. Last summer this "friend" had invited me over with a couple of >>other people. One woman found a way to work in a question about my >>ethnicity and my "friend" responded for me by saying that I was >>Melungeon. I am not. For one...I have had a DNA test and nothing >>supports any African American ancestry or the Turkis origins once >>claimed by the melungoens. . I do not think that the Cherokee have any >>connection to this group commonly called the "Melungeons". I think the >>Melungeons are simple a mixed race people like most of America today and >>someone is trying to capitalize on that. >> >>I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not >>read the initial text. I am sorry. > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thanks for the info! I thought that Melungeon might mean a mix, but I really wasn't sure. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wmnbybrth@aol.com Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Melungeon Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:47:55 EST A Melungeon (during the formative period from about 1700 to 1860) was someone who was free but thought not to be pure White in the area where the word was used - northern North Carolina, southern and western Virginia, eastern Tennessee, eastern Kentucky, southern West Virginia, southern Ohio, western Louisiana, the eastern edge of Texas, the panhandle of Florida, and northern Alabama. The person might actually be White, but of a darker strain like a Greek or Portuguese. The person might be mixed White and Black, White and Indian or all three. The White might be northern European or Mediterranean or both. A few people may have been of other races, such as South Asian (Tzigane, Asian Indian, etc.). to read more go to _www.geocities.com/melungeonorigin/what.htm_ (http://www.geocities.com/melungeonorigin/what.htm) ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

oh, that was my response to a funny comment, I think it was Alli maybe(?), made about coming in a space ship. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:54:25 -0500 The message below. I did not see the question about the Melungeons that the message below was in response to. Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. hehehe -----Original Message----- From: Alli [mailto:iamcheroke@filertel.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:16 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding You responded to what message that was supposedly funny w/o reading it Alli > > I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not > read the initial text. I am sorry. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hey Joyce, I've thought about getting one of those DNA tests. Are they pretty accurate in your experience? Do you recommend a certain company? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:34:15 -0500 Sherry Thank you for an honest response, in any case. *G* Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding >The Melungeons...well, I have a "friend" and a member of her family >wrote a book about the Melungeons. Personally, I do not believe that >the Melungeons exist in the way everyone has been lead to believe that >they do. Last summer this "friend" had invited me over with a couple of >other people. One woman found a way to work in a question about my >ethnicity and my "friend" responded for me by saying that I was >Melungeon. I am not. For one...I have had a DNA test and nothing >supports any African American ancestry or the Turkis origins once >claimed by the melungoens. . I do not think that the Cherokee have any >connection to this group commonly called the "Melungeons". I think the >Melungeons are simple a mixed race people like most of America today and >someone is trying to capitalize on that. > >I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not >read the initial text. I am sorry. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Yep that's how my ancestor's showed up. Cause they aren't found anywhere (yet) alli :) > oh, that was my response to a funny comment, I think it was Alli maybe(?), > made about coming in a space ship. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:54:25 -0500 > > The message below. I did not see the question about the Melungeons that > the message below was in response to. > > > Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. > hehehe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli [mailto:iamcheroke@filertel.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:16 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > > > You responded to what message that was supposedly funny w/o reading it > > Alli > > > > > > I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did > not > > read the initial text. I am sorry. > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the > links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Sherry Thank you for an honest response, in any case. *G* Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding > The Melungeons...well, I have a "friend" and a member of her family > wrote a book about the Melungeons. Personally, I do not believe that > the Melungeons exist in the way everyone has been lead to believe that > they do. Last summer this "friend" had invited me over with a couple of > other people. One woman found a way to work in a question about my > ethnicity and my "friend" responded for me by saying that I was > Melungeon. I am not. For one...I have had a DNA test and nothing > supports any African American ancestry or the Turkis origins once > claimed by the melungoens. . I do not think that the Cherokee have any > connection to this group commonly called the "Melungeons". I think the > Melungeons are simple a mixed race people like most of America today and > someone is trying to capitalize on that. > > I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not > read the initial text. I am sorry.

The message below. I did not see the question about the Melungeons that the message below was in response to. Hehehehehehehhe....yeah I think mine might have been on the same ship. hehehe -----Original Message----- From: Alli [mailto:iamcheroke@filertel.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:16 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding You responded to what message that was supposedly funny w/o reading it Alli > > I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not > read the initial text. I am sorry. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

A Melungeon (during the formative period from about 1700 to 1860) was someone who was free but thought not to be pure White in the area where the word was used - northern North Carolina, southern and western Virginia, eastern Tennessee, eastern Kentucky, southern West Virginia, southern Ohio, western Louisiana, the eastern edge of Texas, the panhandle of Florida, and northern Alabama. The person might actually be White, but of a darker strain like a Greek or Portuguese. The person might be mixed White and Black, White and Indian or all three. The White might be northern European or Mediterranean or both. A few people may have been of other races, such as South Asian (Tzigane, Asian Indian, etc.). to read more go to _www.geocities.com/melungeonorigin/what.htm_ (http://www.geocities.com/melungeonorigin/what.htm)

The Melungeons...well, I have a "friend" and a member of her family wrote a book about the Melungeons. Personally, I do not believe that the Melungeons exist in the way everyone has been lead to believe that they do. Last summer this "friend" had invited me over with a couple of other people. One woman found a way to work in a question about my ethnicity and my "friend" responded for me by saying that I was Melungeon. I am not. For one...I have had a DNA test and nothing supports any African American ancestry or the Turkis origins once claimed by the melungoens. . I do not think that the Cherokee have any connection to this group commonly called the "Melungeons". I think the Melungeons are simple a mixed race people like most of America today and someone is trying to capitalize on that. I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not read the initial text. I am sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Alli [mailto:iamcheroke@filertel.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:57 AM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hiding Wow that's sad to hear that a Researcher would assume everyone was like the original person. I believe that Debbie Woolf (who might just be on the Gene list) has done some research on the Melungeon/Cherokee Connection. The person who originally caused the issue is on the Chickamauga list not on any of these (Cherokee) list's right? That's definitely sad that she's gotten so closed minded that she'd assume everyone is going to give her a bad time that she's not willing to help others, especially not willing to help someone who admires her work. Thanks for filling us in. Alli > Sherry, Alli and all > > I had a reason for asking your opinion concerning the > Melungeon/Cherokee > relationship. Their exists a Chickamauga Researchers yahoo list. In > trying to add to the knowledge base of the list I'd ask a very reputable > researcher to join the list or to, at least, contribute in any way. She > did not wish to join the forum as I later learned because she had been > asked the question above by someone on the list (re:Melungeon/Cherokee). > I did not know that was her reasoning at the time. > > A few days afterwards I received a copy of an email she had sent to > 'that > other' researcher. From the tone of the letter it was obvious she was > peeved at him. I didn't understand why except that she had had earlier > problems. I wrote her back in apology saying that I was sorry if I had > caused her problems by inviting her to the forum and told her how much I > respected her work...I still do. > > She wrote me back saying basically, 'no problem'. > > Curiosity set in about that time so I wrote her asking her her opinion > concerning the relationship? Did she believe that there was none? > > Well, ladies, I got back a very scathing letter telling me that that > was > exactly what HE has asked her and she accused me of asking her for him > when nothing was further from the truth. I actually hadn't even > corresponded with him in quite sometime. Most certainly if I hadn't > respected her opinion on the subject I certainly wouldn't have asked her. > Now she has blocked my address. I don't understand why someone would be > like that. She got fairly hateful with me. > > That is the reason I asked. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL > the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

You responded to what message that was supposedly funny w/o reading it Alli > > I responded to the message simply because it was funny to me. I did not > read the initial text. I am sorry.

I have been denied to Native Village group. I will miss reading the stories and miss in reading about what the elders here went through when younger. Sue