I will tell how it was in Missouri The state of Missouri said indians could not own land and indians could not stay in the state==so the indians changed their names==called them selfs black dutch or dark French or black Irishor maybe hill billies now there was no lndians in the state maybe that was the way it was in Kentucky== SHADOW BEAR

There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > > Sherry > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > >

Hi Joyce, thanks for all the valuable information you graciously share with us. Would we find "Chronicles of Border Warfare" at local libraries and or is it still available to purchase in local book stores or Amazon.com maybe? I had never given much thought about there not being any Cherokee villages in KY; however, it is passed down information relating to my 3 gr.grandmother that she is 1/2 Cherokee and born in Madison, KY in 1799 ( I am not sure if this is Madison County or a village of that name. I do know that I have a cookbook from "cooks of Madison County". 3gr.grandmother is said to have married in TN in 1816, so was her family "roamers" or just moving to where food was found available. It has been close to 60 years since I sat with an opened American History book in front of me, but I like Lindsey, don't remember our spending an awful lot of time on NA's, something that I now regret more frequently. Lindsey, my American and World History teacher had taught my daddy, so students didn't dare question why or how she taught those courses!! She was still teaching when my sister came thru the school 9 years later. . .."Good old teachers never die, they just get propped up in their chairs." Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps > with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no > villages in what is now KY. > > I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It > was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open > the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were > abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > >> Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >> >> Sherry >> >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 >> >> > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

If you get a current day map you will see the Little Tennessee River flowing from NC (heads up on Qualla Boundary) into east Tennessee. On this map you should see a dam on the river named Chilhowee. The village of Chilhowee stood very near that dam. Just down river from that was Citico then Chota. You can see an old map of the Grant Expedition of this area at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 I think it is behind the Records icon. I may have put it on the Polk site also www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Check out the biographies while you are there. Anytime you have questions concerning the geographical subject of the eastern Cherokee I can, probably, help. I've lived right 'amongst' them all my life. Joyce Gaston Reece

My ggg grandmother 'Lucinda' was born in Tennessee, reputed to be Cherokee. She married William Duncan with no historical identification other than he was born in Tennessee. He died in Missouri. Lucinda went on to remarry a Woodruff in Kentucky. Many of the children of William and Lucinda were born in Kentucky. I have some information, unfortunately not enough, to believe that William Duncan may have been NA. My father would not discuss any of this history with me. He would get upset when I asked questions. His mother, my grandmother, told me once as a young child when I was asking a lot of questions, to "leave the skeletons in the closet. I might find out something I didn't want to know." No one would talk about the history except that there was "an Indian in there somewhere". My cousin finally tracked the linage somehow and I got her information after my father died. Unfortunately that cousin now has Alzheimer's and is not available to answer questions. The rest of the family seems to have similar reactions to those of my father. Brother! I sure wish they'd get over the hang ups. They sure impede my research. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps > with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no > villages in what is now KY. > > I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It > was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open > the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were > abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > > > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? Sherry

The Bounderies between tribes was a push and pull affair ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce G. Reece Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? > > Sherry > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

The Chickasaw and Cherokee were in Ky ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry Huff Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:31 AM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? Sherry ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Lindsey, the paragraph where you mention the plumed serpent and feathered serpents sounds very similar to the "tales" or speeches given by one of our guides in the fall of 1967 about the 1300 & 1400 A.D. settling what is today central Mexico City. These early settlers were Incas, Mayas and Aztec whose predecessors came from the Russian area where the distance onto what is now Alaska is a very narrow point in the sea and they wandered all the way down thru what is now Canada, the United States and Mexico where they made their first permanent settlements and worshipped their Gods with sacrificial offerings of blood so that the moons would re-appear. Mexico City was founded on a "dry bed" of a lake where a serpent was found draped on a cactus- oh, it has been too many years ago to remember this story, its' just that your story sounds so similar. Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy > Hey Blue Panther, > Are you familiar with the story about Uktena? > Maybe you've already told it, I haven't been on the list too long. > > I did a master's thesis this past fall comparing the NA creation stories > to Japanese stories, and Sumerian/Babylonian stories. It was really > interesting how similiar all these stories from all over the world were. > I thought that Uktena was very similar to the Sumerian/Babylonian Tiamat. > Tiamat was "the fresh water" and she was the "mother of all". She has also > been described as the dragon of the void, that the mountains are her ribs, > that she was too huge to be seen since she was integrated into the earth. > And also many NA creation stories talk about the mound of creation. In > Japan they do this too, they say creation began at a mountain. In > Sumerian/Babylonian creation stories they say that the Creators were first > seen coming down from a mountain. > Also the Japanese agree with the NA belief that the world has been > destroyed 4 times prior and that we are in the fifth world. I'm sorry I'm > not sure if this is a predominant NA belief or just specific to South > America, much of my research was done on the Mexica, Inca, and Maya. > All of these places, from Japan, here, and the Sumer/Babylonia, which is > present day Iraq, all have created ziggurats symbolizing this mound of > creation, or (specifically in Babylon, the names of ziggurats translated > to things like "place where heaven touches earth"). > I also did some research on Quetzal-coatal (I'm sorry if this is spelled > wrong, I don't have my research in front of me, and it has been a little > while) and Cortez. For those who don't know, Quetzal-coatal was a great > leader in much of South America, long before it was called America. > Quetzal-coatal (which means "feathered serpent" or "plummed serpent"), > strangely, had a fair complexion and red hair. He was defeated after a > long rule by, if I remember correctly, one whose name translated to "the > Smoking Mirror". They say that Cortez was mistaken for Quetzal-coatal > because, when Quetzal-coatal was defeated, he left on a boat made of > serpents and headed east saying he would return. Cortez, of course had the > fair skin and redish hair, and arrived on a ship with a similar > description. > I often wonder if Quetzal-coatal wasn't perhaps Asian, due to his > description and the description of the ship he left on. Plus, if I > remember correctly, and forgive me if I don't, I think the stories said he > wasn't a native of this area, that he had come from somewhere else. > His description also matches Northlanders like the later Vikings. Now > Vikings kind of have gotten a bad rap over the years for being invaders > and "barbarians", but their discovering more and more evidence that the > Vikings came to attack other lands due to their own repression by other > lands. > > This is of course if you believe that the ancients all over the world had > the ability to travel across the ocean and such. I really don't believe > archaelogists give them enough credit. Just because we can't find ancient > ruins of WOODEN inventions and the like, doesn't mean that they hadn't > existed. I mean, come on, they're wooden. Anyhoo, there's my shpeel. > Thoughts? Comments? Questions? I'd love to pick your brains :) . > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Blue Panther" <blue_panther@otelco.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - > Passamaquoddy > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:13:07 -0600 > > Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy > > Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never > grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes > Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating > nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of > it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his > magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. > He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. > > Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and > women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating > them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first > squirrel, it was as big as a whale. > > "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and > the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're > too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. > > The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that > flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown > all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the > back, and it shrank to it's present size. > > The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked > altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in > its path -- forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," > Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the > moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become > smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and > with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should > be. > > Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything > they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women > were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished > their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as > Glooscap had made it. > > The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that > always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran > dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in > the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The > people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise > men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the > source of the spring to see why it had run dry. > > This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people > there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook > widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it > was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and > asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. > > "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and > feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for > himself." > > "Where is your chief?" asked the man. > > "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. > > The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he > trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one > stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the > whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it > up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream > bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking > mists covered it's slimy surface. > > The monster had a mile-wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His > dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body > was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. > > The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally > said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" > > The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far > down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water > for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, > please don't muddy it so much." > > The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: > Do as you please, > Do as you please, > I don't care, > I don't care, > If you want water, > If you want water, > Go elsewhere! > > The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." > > The monster replied: > I don't care, > I don't care, > Don't bother me, > Don't bother me, > Go away, > Go away, > Or I'll swallow you up! > > The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man > could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped > a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the > man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. > > Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we > complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people > were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. > > Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it > happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set > things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" > > Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as > red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge > clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a > hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings > around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look > ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war > cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge > mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made > himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. > > "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, > with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village > of the people with webbed hands and feet. > > "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They > brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner > water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I > want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." > > Ho! Ho! > Ho! Ho! > All the waters are mine! > All the waters are mine! > Go away! > Go away! > Or I'll kill you! > > "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" > > They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked > and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The > monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made > himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide > mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and > slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a > roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out > for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great > sea of the east. > > "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped > the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and > threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this > great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin > has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. > > Retold from nineteenth-century sources > > Reposted with Permission from Brother to Horse > >>From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories. > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Thank you Alli! I think it is very narrow minded of some to ass-u-me that everyone on these lists knows everything about current NA affairs....then get 'superior' when someone asks. You are very correct in stating that they should take the opportunity to educate rather than denigrate. I noticed that neither made a reply to my example question....so I suppose I made my point. We can always count on you, Alli. Joyce Gaston Reece

Wado, BP. soquili Blue Panther wrote: > http://lpdcinc.blogspot.com/ > > Leonard Peltier Defense Committee > Breaking News and info directly from the Offices of the Leonard > Peltier Defense Committee > > >

I learned a little bit about what happened from an old friend of my fiance's named Turtle (Ralph Panaro), but here in NJ people don't care about much, as a general rule of thumb. ;) Outside of their digital cable and SUV's, jersey is kinda a leave-your-brain-at-the-door state. (Not seriously, of course.) But honestly speaking, it's depressing how little people out here pay attention to things that don't directly concern them and their wallets. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:06:16 -0500 Yhea, me too. I might have been 6 months old when all this went down but a retired FBI agent taught a criminal justice class I had taken and of course the subject came up. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Avery [mailto:anathema_studio@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:00 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER yeah, I'm with Joyce, though I've heard a little here and there about Peltier, and know AIM, I'm definately too young to remember very much about origins. Though I'd love to learn. I'm a master googlest! and I'll spend some time and learn. If anyone can recommend a book or two, that would be great as well, cause I have a neck problem from my accident, and it's hard for me to sit at the computer for too long to read. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Pestana, Sherry" <PestanS@sutterhealth.org> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:07:24 -0800 Personal opinion, if you do not respect Leonard and what he means to us, what he has done for us, you need to re-evaluate your thoughts about being Indian. Sher -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cranford [mailto:jerry_cranford@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:02 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Joyce: I would recommend doing a Google on his name. Most people on these lists know of Leonard Peltier and most respect him (some don't). Some are too young to remember him, but most Native Americans no matter what tribe know who he is. Jerry Blue Panther wrote: > I second that > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:46 PM > Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > > >> OMG >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:22 PM >> To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >> >> >> I'm sorry if this is the dumb question of the evening but who is Leonard >> >> Peltier?.....He's obviously got his stuff straight! >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Panther" >> <blue_panther@otelco.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:34 PM >> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER: >>> >>> >>> Greetings My Relatives: >>> >>> >>> I say relatives for we are all related in some way. Each year I make >>> statements commemorating the Oglala incident or the anniversary of my >>> imprisonment. Sometimes sitting here in my cell, looking through my >>> glasses, they no longer take the blur away like they once did. I >>> think about the lifetimes I've spent behind these walls. Sometimes >>> for a prisoner, it's like you've died to your friends and family. The >> >> >>> only difference is that you can talk to them on occasion and sometimes >> >> >>> see them. I have spent my life trying to make a difference in the >>> world, for the better. Sometimes someone notices in some way and says >> >> >>> thank you for something I was involved with. However my greatest joy >>> comes from someone saying that something I said or was involved with >>> inspired them to be better >>> than they were or seek for themselves to make the world a better >> >> place. I >> >>> remember in my youth that I had a hard time expressing deep feelings >> >> but >> >>> after years of losing friends and relatives who were very close to me, >> >> I >> >>> have come to cherish the opportunity to speak to you even though it be >> >> by >> >>> letter or some other way. >>> >>> >>> This is the second statement I've written today. My first was quite >>> political in nature but after thinking about it I realized most of you >> >> >>> get to read the same papers, watch the same news channels that I do. >>> When you're 30 you can hardly imagine dying. When you're 61 you know >>> it's entirely possible and could come anytime. Having said that I >>> want to say a few things from my heart to your heart. >>> >>> >>> Seek the creator in all the things you do. Cherish your time with one >> >> >>> another. Develop your personal self discipline, which is the key to >>> all success. Develop a sense of happiness within you that none can >>> take away. Develop who you are and remain true to your higher self and >> >> >>> your integrity will be an inspiration to others. Show your strengths >>> when necessary, even if it is in being gentle or humble. Speak of >>> others in private the same way >>> you would in their presence. Do your best to find the good in all >> >> people >> >>> and stand and speak up against wrong doing. Respect the earth where >> >> you >> >>> stand. Many parts of Mother Earth are also held captive behind >> >> concrete >> >>> and >>> steel. Do your best to recognize inspiration from the Creator and >> >> avoid >> >>> listening to your own, especially when you are tempted in >> >> contradiction of >> >>> your higher values. Never be too proud to say you were wrong or too >>> fearful >>> to stand up for what you know is right. Don't expect to not get hurt >> >> by >> >>> life, just because you've done your best to do what's right. >> >> Especially - >> >>> don't lose your sense of humor, even when the laughter is at your own >>> expense. >>> >>> >>> Life is a learning place. Existence is forever. Challenges are only >>> challenges because life has given you an opportunity to grow in an >>> area of your fear or weakness. Perhaps I've talked too much, eh? I >>> want to thank all of you for remembering me. Most of all I want to >>> thank all of you who have chosen to make a difference for the >>> betterment of this world. >>> >>> >>> I know we don't all have the same capabilities or resources and I know >>> from >>> experience and history that there will always be those who would >> >> commit >> >>> injustice against others. I know this is the way of things in the >> >> past >> >>> and >>> it will continue in the future. But I also know that if has touched >> >> our >> >>> hearts to do so, we must each, in our own way, in our own time, be >> >> part of >> >>> the cure against the sicknesses of greed, wealth mongering and nature >>> destruction that faces all mankind. We can't individually stop it or >> >> even >> >>> collectively, however, we can sure slow it up and, pray to the Creator >> >> >>> that >>> his intervention will prevail. >>> >>> >>> Seriously, know that I love you and that you will be in my prayers. >>> Thirty >>> years ago on February 6th, or March 6th, I would hardly have been able >> >> to >> >>> express these feelings. I thank you for your patience, your time, >> >> your >> >>> support, and your loyalty and for allowing me to share this existence >> >> with >> >>> you. As someone once said, we are all climbing the same mountain, >> >> just >> >>> from >>> different sides. >>> >>> >>> In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, >>> >>> >>> Mitakuye oyasin! >>> >>> Leonard Peltier >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >>> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >>> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL >>> the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. 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yeah, I'm with Joyce, though I've heard a little here and there about Peltier, and know AIM, I'm definately too young to remember very much about origins. Though I'd love to learn. I'm a master googlest! and I'll spend some time and learn. If anyone can recommend a book or two, that would be great as well, cause I have a neck problem from my accident, and it's hard for me to sit at the computer for too long to read. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Pestana, Sherry" <PestanS@sutterhealth.org> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:07:24 -0800 Personal opinion, if you do not respect Leonard and what he means to us, what he has done for us, you need to re-evaluate your thoughts about being Indian. Sher -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cranford [mailto:jerry_cranford@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:02 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Joyce: I would recommend doing a Google on his name. Most people on these lists know of Leonard Peltier and most respect him (some don't). Some are too young to remember him, but most Native Americans no matter what tribe know who he is. Jerry Blue Panther wrote: > I second that > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:46 PM > Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > > >> OMG >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:22 PM >> To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >> >> >> I'm sorry if this is the dumb question of the evening but who is Leonard >> >> Peltier?.....He's obviously got his stuff straight! >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Panther" >> <blue_panther@otelco.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:34 PM >> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER: >>> >>> >>> Greetings My Relatives: >>> >>> >>> I say relatives for we are all related in some way. Each year I make >>> statements commemorating the Oglala incident or the anniversary of my >>> imprisonment. Sometimes sitting here in my cell, looking through my >>> glasses, they no longer take the blur away like they once did. I >>> think about the lifetimes I've spent behind these walls. Sometimes >>> for a prisoner, it's like you've died to your friends and family. The >> >> >>> only difference is that you can talk to them on occasion and sometimes >> >> >>> see them. I have spent my life trying to make a difference in the >>> world, for the better. Sometimes someone notices in some way and says >> >> >>> thank you for something I was involved with. However my greatest joy >>> comes from someone saying that something I said or was involved with >>> inspired them to be better >>> than they were or seek for themselves to make the world a better >> >> place. I >> >>> remember in my youth that I had a hard time expressing deep feelings >> >> but >> >>> after years of losing friends and relatives who were very close to me, >> >> I >> >>> have come to cherish the opportunity to speak to you even though it be >> >> by >> >>> letter or some other way. >>> >>> >>> This is the second statement I've written today. My first was quite >>> political in nature but after thinking about it I realized most of you >> >> >>> get to read the same papers, watch the same news channels that I do. >>> When you're 30 you can hardly imagine dying. When you're 61 you know >>> it's entirely possible and could come anytime. Having said that I >>> want to say a few things from my heart to your heart. >>> >>> >>> Seek the creator in all the things you do. Cherish your time with one >> >> >>> another. Develop your personal self discipline, which is the key to >>> all success. Develop a sense of happiness within you that none can >>> take away. Develop who you are and remain true to your higher self and >> >> >>> your integrity will be an inspiration to others. Show your strengths >>> when necessary, even if it is in being gentle or humble. Speak of >>> others in private the same way >>> you would in their presence. Do your best to find the good in all >> >> people >> >>> and stand and speak up against wrong doing. Respect the earth where >> >> you >> >>> stand. Many parts of Mother Earth are also held captive behind >> >> concrete >> >>> and >>> steel. Do your best to recognize inspiration from the Creator and >> >> avoid >> >>> listening to your own, especially when you are tempted in >> >> contradiction of >> >>> your higher values. Never be too proud to say you were wrong or too >>> fearful >>> to stand up for what you know is right. Don't expect to not get hurt >> >> by >> >>> life, just because you've done your best to do what's right. >> >> Especially - >> >>> don't lose your sense of humor, even when the laughter is at your own >>> expense. >>> >>> >>> Life is a learning place. Existence is forever. Challenges are only >>> challenges because life has given you an opportunity to grow in an >>> area of your fear or weakness. Perhaps I've talked too much, eh? I >>> want to thank all of you for remembering me. Most of all I want to >>> thank all of you who have chosen to make a difference for the >>> betterment of this world. >>> >>> >>> I know we don't all have the same capabilities or resources and I know >>> from >>> experience and history that there will always be those who would >> >> commit >> >>> injustice against others. I know this is the way of things in the >> >> past >> >>> and >>> it will continue in the future. But I also know that if has touched >> >> our >> >>> hearts to do so, we must each, in our own way, in our own time, be >> >> part of >> >>> the cure against the sicknesses of greed, wealth mongering and nature >>> destruction that faces all mankind. We can't individually stop it or >> >> even >> >>> collectively, however, we can sure slow it up and, pray to the Creator >> >> >>> that >>> his intervention will prevail. >>> >>> >>> Seriously, know that I love you and that you will be in my prayers. >>> Thirty >>> years ago on February 6th, or March 6th, I would hardly have been able >> >> to >> >>> express these feelings. I thank you for your patience, your time, >> >> your >> >>> support, and your loyalty and for allowing me to share this existence >> >> with >> >>> you. As someone once said, we are all climbing the same mountain, >> >> just >> >>> from >>> different sides. >>> >>> >>> In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, >>> >>> >>> Mitakuye oyasin! >>> >>> Leonard Peltier >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >>> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >>> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL >>> the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. 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Chief Tassel was making all attempts to hold back white infringement on Cherokee lands in 1788 (I boo-boo'ed when I wrote 1777). Sorry A party of whites had killed an old Cherokee woman and wounded two Indian Children without provocation then plundered a nearby Cherokee town. Chief Hanging Maw suspected treachery so arrested Brig. Gen Joseph Martin and the son of Nolichucky Jack (who were residing in Chota) under guard for 3 days. Later when some whites appeared and began firing on Chota all the Cherokee families fled the town taking down the white flag that had flown there for 3 years. Martin and young Sevier departed. Returning north Martin encountered Col Sevier and tried to dissuade him from carrying out his mission to destroy many Cherokee towns. The campaign by Sevier was, unfortunately, successful. An Indian by the name of Slim Tom was said to be a friend to a Kirk family. The family consisted of 13 members. All but 2 were killed, supposedly by Slim Tom. The father and a son. After asking for and receiving food, Slim Tom left to return with a party of friends. All of the Kirk family who were home were killed with their bodies left strewn about the yard. Maj. James Hubbard was under Sevier's command. John Kirk (the son) had joined Hubbard. There is much debate on whether or not Sevier had forehand knowledge of what was about to happen. Sevier was 'conveniently' out of pocket that day. Hubbard, Kirk and a party of soldiers entered Chilhowee at the home of Chief Abram...carrying a flag of truce. Kirk used an ax to kill seven Cherokee leaders....Tassel, his son, Fool Warrior, Longfellow, Old Abram, a brother to Hanging Maw. Hubbard and his men road away and never buried the bodies. Joyce Gaston Reece

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Did Great.......... I haven't read it all the way thru yet (dealing w/dogs fighting) Alli :) > Thanks for your thoughts BP......and Ali...dats the best I can do for > now.....

Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was as big as a whale. "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the back, and it shrank to it's present size. The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in its path -- forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should be. Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as Glooscap had made it. The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source of the spring to see why it had run dry. This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for himself." "Where is your chief?" asked the man. "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists covered it's slimy surface. The monster had a mile-wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't muddy it so much." The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: Do as you please, Do as you please, I don't care, I don't care, If you want water, If you want water, Go elsewhere! The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." The monster replied: I don't care, I don't care, Don't bother me, Don't bother me, Go away, Go away, Or I'll swallow you up! The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village of the people with webbed hands and feet. "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! All the waters are mine! All the waters are mine! Go away! Go away! Or I'll kill you! "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of the east. "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. Retold from nineteenth-century sources Reposted with Permission from Brother to Horse From Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Thank you BP Alli :) > http://lpdcinc.blogspot.com/ > > Leonard Peltier Defense Committee > Breaking News and info directly from the Offices of the Leonard Peltier > Defense Committee > > > > this site of the addresses to reach Leonard. and what you can do to help > > Free Leonard Peltier > > > > bp > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Idaho is the same way. Even with various tribes in this state. Alli but here in NJ people don't care about much, as > a general rule of thumb. ;) > Outside of their digital cable and SUV's, jersey is kinda a > leave-your-brain-at-the-door state. > (Not seriously, of course.) > But honestly speaking, it's depressing how little people out here pay > attention to things that don't directly concern them and their wallets.

You don't base your choice, thoughts, feelings, life, etc. on one person. You can ADMIRE what someone has done, but that doesn't mean you have to re-evaluate your thoughts about Indian. Sher & other's who seem to think we should all know who Leonard is, I have yet to see ANY of you tell those who don't know who he is or what he's done or been thru or currently going thru. So before someone should re-evaluate themselves............Teach. I don't know enough about Leonard's situation to share it properly. But I know some here who do. Don't send someone off to do a Google on him..........teach. Alli > Personal opinion, if you do not respect Leonard and what he means to us, > what he has done for us, you need to re-evaluate your thoughts about > being Indian. > > > Sher