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Osiyo Friends, I am new to the list, but I know that the Cherokees lived in Kentucky. My ancestor, Chief Red Bird had village in Clay County, KY.His village was called Tehlequah, the same as the Cherokee Nation, OK. Another of Red Bird's descendants, my cousin, Dr. Ken Tankersley, who is head of Native American studies at Northern Kentucky University is my source. I have found 3/16 Cherokee Blood so far. The ancestors in KY hid there to be able to stay in their beloved eastern Mountains. Back before the 1700 hundreds Kentucky was Virginia. In my home county Lawrence County, KY there was a small village called Cherokee, and today it is stll called Cherokee, Ky. For all this knowledge there is no charge. I work free! Harold Young, A mixed blood Cherokee from Kentucky > was born in Tennessee. He died in Missouri. Lucinda went on to remarry a > Woodruff in Kentucky. Many of the children of William and Lucinda were > born > in Kentucky. I have some information, unfortunately not enough, to > believe > that William Duncan may have been NA. > My father would not discuss any of this history with me. He would get > upset > when I asked questions. His mother, my grandmother, told me once as a > young > child when I was asking a lot of questions, to "leave the skeletons in the > closet. I might find out something I didn't want to know." No one would > talk about the history except that there was "an Indian in there > somewhere". > My cousin finally tracked the linage somehow and I got her information > after > my father died. Unfortunately that cousin now has Alzheimer's and is not > available to answer questions. The rest of the family seems to have > similar > reactions to those of my father. Brother! I sure wish they'd get over > the > hang ups. They sure impede my research. > > Virginia in Seattle > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > >> There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps >> with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows >> no >> villages in what is now KY. >> >> I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". >> It >> was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open >> the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were >> abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM >> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY >> >> >> > Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >> > >> > Sherry >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________

Glad you are well again.Shadow Bear. These last few months have seen several get this flu more than once. I bet the Ozarks are beautiful in this Spring. Here in South Carolina, turkey are starting to show there head a little from the woods. I am sure deer will be in the yard soon. Has anyone, planted Peach trees?? I want to plant one, never done it. Barb SC

I missed the message that this is pertaining to, but I have a Worth or Worthy. The only name I have is Nancy. She married a James Samuel Johnson No dates (Yes I know guys this is the wrong list) :) but her oldest son was born in 1865 in Tipton, Moniteau Co., Mo. talk about a needle in a haystack. Don't know what "race" she was. But I'm guessing at least someone in this family was White.....if not all of them. Alli :) > That would be "Withers" not Worthy's sorry > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Peach trees are rather fast growing fruit trees. We have only planted two peach trees, and each were bought "bare root" in bags like rose bushes. We planted these trees in spring of '64, and produced so much fruit and broke the limbs down that caused them to lose that sticky sap and we just cut them down by the third or fourth year. Weatherford, Parker Co., TX is considered the peach capitol of Texas and this is less than 25 miles from me. I would surely ask a good nurseryman 's advice for what to plant in your area. I know we only "dug a hole large enough to spread the roots out and read the directions of the bag. LOL We had taken our 3 young sons to the nursery and each picked out a fruit tree to be theirs. That third tree was an apple tree, and it leafed out a little the first spring, but by summer it was a goner. No more fruit bearing trees for us. We do have a Bradford Pear (fruitless) in our back yard and we awoke to a big cloud of white blossoms just this morning. We saw numerous trees that were completely leafed out as we drove home from nearby shopping yesterday. They just passed the blossom stage by this year. A plea to folks in the OK area south of and east of Tulsa: please tell us when those beautiful pink dogwoods are in their peak. We first saw these visions of beauty last mid April. The Cherokee Heritage Museum at Tahlequah is surrounded by these pink dogwood so make your pilgrimage there at this time if possible and if you have never been. Jerri, have you sold your house and made the move there yet? Bettye Woodhull ----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Shadow Bear > Glad you are well again.Shadow Bear. These last few months > have > seen several get this flu more than once. I bet the Ozarks are beautiful > in > this Spring. Here in South Carolina, turkey are starting to show there > head a > little from the woods. I am sure deer will be in the yard soon. > > Has anyone, planted Peach trees?? I want to plant one, never > done it. > > Barb SC > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Also, I have a record stating that an ancestor of mine was "black dutch" from the continent of Europe. I guess maybe it is possible that those groups were indeed "black dutch" or "black Irish" and not Native American. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: shadowbear270 [mailto:shadowbear270@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:28 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Indians in Kentucky I will tell how it was in Missouri The state of Missouri said indians could not own land and indians could not stay in the state==so the indians changed their names==called them selfs black dutch or dark French or black Irishor maybe hill billies now there was no lndians in the state maybe that was the way it was in Kentucky== SHADOW BEAR ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I have heard it both ways SB. Some claim that Native Americans did not call themselves blackdutch or black irish or anything else. Others claim the opposite. It is rather confusing. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: shadowbear270 [mailto:shadowbear270@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:28 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Indians in Kentucky I will tell how it was in Missouri The state of Missouri said indians could not own land and indians could not stay in the state==so the indians changed their names==called them selfs black dutch or dark French or black Irishor maybe hill billies now there was no lndians in the state maybe that was the way it was in Kentucky== SHADOW BEAR ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I gotta agree with you on that one! Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message -----

Your 'talk' is correct, SB! The Old Settlers rolls proves that. The westward movement wasn't a mass migration...it began years before the TOT Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadowbear270" <shadowbear270@webtv.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Indians in Ky. > In 1721 my mothers family had a talk with the governor of the Carolines >

Mr. Withers book can be gotten at Heritagebooks.com It is very reasonably priced. The blurbs about the book mention northwestern VA but it covers much more than that. I found several references to Daniel Boone and areas of northeast TN and southeast KY Since this was 1799 you'll have to look into the Treatys and their continually changing boundaries. Her mother could have been listed as mulatto...many were. If she married in TN that raises the possibility of them moving southward with the shrinking treaty boundary lines. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > Hi Joyce, thanks for all the valuable information you graciously share > with us. Would we find "Chronicles of Border Warfare" at local libraries > and or is it still available to purchase in local book stores or > Amazon.com maybe? > I had never given much thought about there not being any Cherokee > villages in KY; however, it is passed down information relating to my 3 > gr.grandmother that she is 1/2 Cherokee and born in Madison, KY in 1799 > ( I am not sure if this is Madison County or a village of that name. I do > know that I have a cookbook from "cooks of Madison County". > 3gr.grandmother is said to have married in TN in 1816, so was her family > "roamers" or just moving to where food was found available. > It has been close to 60 years since I sat with an opened American > History book in front of me, but I like Lindsey, don't remember our > spending an awful lot of time on NA's, something that I now regret more > frequently. Lindsey, my American and World History teacher had taught my > daddy, so students didn't dare question why or how she taught those > courses!! She was still teaching when my sister came thru the school 9 > years later. . .."Good old teachers never die, they just get propped up in > their chairs." > Bettye Woodhull > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > >> There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps >> with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows >> no villages in what is now KY. >> >> I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". >> It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may >> open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA >> were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> >> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM >> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY >> >> >>> Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >>> >>> Sherry >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >>> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >>> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. 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And most of the push and pull was over hunting grounds....which was often shared between tribes. It was a much larger world at that time....one had to go much further to find other people/hunters. The earliest recorded original histories/journals etc have the Cherokee villages well within the boundaries of what is now TN, NC and SC. The Long Island of the Holstein is among the villages placed futherest north...that would benorth - northeast of Whites Fort (Knoxville) Joyce Gaston Reece

Hey Joyce, Do you know where this happened? I'm just trying to piece together as much of the history as I can, and it's not like you here about any of this in school. - and to everyone - You know, when I was in high school, after we had spring break, I was in history class, and the teacher told us to open to such-n-such page. Well I accidently, opened a little bit before that in the book, and found that we were skipping over the chapter on NA history. I raised my hand and asked the teacher why we were doing this, and he said we just didn't have time for it. Of course they'd never skip over any other ethnic groups history in that book for fear of hearing about it later. Maybe NA leaders need to find a way to be more public about their outcries, because African Americans had to find ways to be blatant about the injustice done to them, and while it's not perfect, it has helped a lot. With the money made from casinos and such, maybe they should try to make the American public more aware of what is going on. I guarrantee you there are plenty of people who would be disgusted and would try to change things, if only they heard about it. Pay to get a cable channel going maybe, or something like that. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:52:57 -0500 Chief Tassel was making all attempts to hold back white infringement on Cherokee lands in 1788 (I boo-boo'ed when I wrote 1777). Sorry A party of whites had killed an old Cherokee woman and wounded two Indian Children without provocation then plundered a nearby Cherokee town. Chief Hanging Maw suspected treachery so arrested Brig. Gen Joseph Martin and the son of Nolichucky Jack (who were residing in Chota) under guard for 3 days. Later when some whites appeared and began firing on Chota all the Cherokee families fled the town taking down the white flag that had flown there for 3 years. Martin and young Sevier departed. Returning north Martin encountered Col Sevier and tried to dissuade him from carrying out his mission to destroy many Cherokee towns. The campaign by Sevier was, unfortunately, successful. An Indian by the name of Slim Tom was said to be a friend to a Kirk family. The family consisted of 13 members. All but 2 were killed, supposedly by Slim Tom. The father and a son. After asking for and receiving food, Slim Tom left to return with a party of friends. All of the Kirk family who were home were killed with their bodies left strewn about the yard. Maj. James Hubbard was under Sevier's command. John Kirk (the son) had joined Hubbard. There is much debate on whether or not Sevier had forehand knowledge of what was about to happen. Sevier was 'conveniently' out of pocket that day. Hubbard, Kirk and a party of soldiers entered Chilhowee at the home of Chief Abram...carrying a flag of truce. Kirk used an ax to kill seven Cherokee leaders....Tassel, his son, Fool Warrior, Longfellow, Old Abram, a brother to Hanging Maw. Hubbard and his men road away and never buried the bodies. Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

That would be "Withers" not Worthy's sorry Joyce Gaston Reece

Hey Blue Panther, Are you familiar with the story about Uktena? Maybe you've already told it, I haven't been on the list too long. I did a master's thesis this past fall comparing the NA creation stories to Japanese stories, and Sumerian/Babylonian stories. It was really interesting how similiar all these stories from all over the world were. I thought that Uktena was very similar to the Sumerian/Babylonian Tiamat. Tiamat was "the fresh water" and she was the "mother of all". She has also been described as the dragon of the void, that the mountains are her ribs, that she was too huge to be seen since she was integrated into the earth. And also many NA creation stories talk about the mound of creation. In Japan they do this too, they say creation began at a mountain. In Sumerian/Babylonian creation stories they say that the Creators were first seen coming down from a mountain. Also the Japanese agree with the NA belief that the world has been destroyed 4 times prior and that we are in the fifth world. I'm sorry I'm not sure if this is a predominant NA belief or just specific to South America, much of my research was done on the Mexica, Inca, and Maya. All of these places, from Japan, here, and the Sumer/Babylonia, which is present day Iraq, all have created ziggurats symbolizing this mound of creation, or (specifically in Babylon, the names of ziggurats translated to things like "place where heaven touches earth"). I also did some research on Quetzal-coatal (I'm sorry if this is spelled wrong, I don't have my research in front of me, and it has been a little while) and Cortez. For those who don't know, Quetzal-coatal was a great leader in much of South America, long before it was called America. Quetzal-coatal (which means "feathered serpent" or "plummed serpent"), strangely, had a fair complexion and red hair. He was defeated after a long rule by, if I remember correctly, one whose name translated to "the Smoking Mirror". They say that Cortez was mistaken for Quetzal-coatal because, when Quetzal-coatal was defeated, he left on a boat made of serpents and headed east saying he would return. Cortez, of course had the fair skin and redish hair, and arrived on a ship with a similar description. I often wonder if Quetzal-coatal wasn't perhaps Asian, due to his description and the description of the ship he left on. Plus, if I remember correctly, and forgive me if I don't, I think the stories said he wasn't a native of this area, that he had come from somewhere else. His description also matches Northlanders like the later Vikings. Now Vikings kind of have gotten a bad rap over the years for being invaders and "barbarians", but their discovering more and more evidence that the Vikings came to attack other lands due to their own repression by other lands. This is of course if you believe that the ancients all over the world had the ability to travel across the ocean and such. I really don't believe archaelogists give them enough credit. Just because we can't find ancient ruins of WOODEN inventions and the like, doesn't mean that they hadn't existed. I mean, come on, they're wooden. Anyhoo, there's my shpeel. Thoughts? Comments? Questions? I'd love to pick your brains :) . ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Blue Panther" <blue_panther@otelco.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:13:07 -0600 Glooscap Fights the Water Monster - Passamaquoddy Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was as big as a whale. "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the back, and it shrank to it's present size. The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in its path -- forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should be. Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as Glooscap had made it. The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source of the spring to see why it had run dry. This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for himself." "Where is your chief?" asked the man. "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists covered it's slimy surface. The monster had a mile-wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want?" The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't muddy it so much." The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: Do as you please, Do as you please, I don't care, I don't care, If you want water, If you want water, Go elsewhere! The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." The monster replied: I don't care, I don't care, Don't bother me, Don't bother me, Go away, Go away, Or I'll swallow you up! The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village of the people with webbed hands and feet. "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! All the waters are mine! All the waters are mine! Go away! Go away! Or I'll kill you! "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of the east. "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. 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thanks everyone for the information, much appreciated ----Original Message Follows---- From: "shayne christen" <shayne777@msn.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Leonard Peltier Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:15:26 -0800 A MSN search has a great list on this man..........a little finger punchin on the keyboard will give you a lot to learn ----- Original Message ----- From: shayne christen Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:02 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Leonard Peltier Thanks for your thoughts BP......and Ali...dats the best I can do for now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Blue Panther Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 5:39 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Leonard Peltier http://lpdcinc.blogspot.com/ Leonard Peltier Defense Committee Breaking News and info directly from the Offices of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee this site of the addresses to reach Leonard. and what you can do to help Free Leonard Peltier bp ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

thank you alli :) I'm listenin' ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:17:37 -0700 You don't base your choice, thoughts, feelings, life, etc. on one person. You can ADMIRE what someone has done, but that doesn't mean you have to re-evaluate your thoughts about Indian. Sher & other's who seem to think we should all know who Leonard is, I have yet to see ANY of you tell those who don't know who he is or what he's done or been thru or currently going thru. So before someone should re-evaluate themselves............Teach. I don't know enough about Leonard's situation to share it properly. But I know some here who do. Don't send someone off to do a Google on him..........teach. Alli >Personal opinion, if you do not respect Leonard and what he means to us, >what he has done for us, you need to re-evaluate your thoughts about >being Indian. > > >Sher ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hello Shadow bear: It has be awhile since he have heard your wisdom and stories. Please don't stay away so very long. While I am here. I read somewhere the Cherokee name for Sarah. I forgot where. can you tell me this name?? Please this is my Granddaughters name. Thank You Barb SC

Yes it has been a while ==just got over the new flu just starting to think straightso how have you been? now the gardening time has started I don't mind being busy this way SHADOW BEAR

I will think as my G-father would ==if a white man came to throw you out of your home== what would happen then I guess you could call what would happen abuse to the white man or who ever SHADOW BEAR

In 1721 my mothers family had a talk with the governor of the Carolines all he wanted was their land==a few days later thier village pulled their stakes and went west some of the group stayed in tenn. some in ky some in ohio some in ind. most stayed in mo. and ark.ended up in texas.this is in our talk. SHADOW BEAR