'Siyo Joyce... now this is the last until I get my Pine Needle Tea. <smile>. REECE... is that Cherokee REECE? As in Susannah REECE/REESE who married OOWatie aka David Watie and they were the parents of Elias "Buck" Boudinot and Stand Watie? I know someone out of Susannah (REECE/REESE) Watie's brother - one of his names is 'Bear Who Sleeps at Night' and he is also known as Hunter REECE/REESE... Hunter, and also Charles REECE/REESE. I lost touch with her... the storms down south. Just checking. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Sherry > > Kentucky is a beautiful state. It's much like Tennessee in that it has > everything anyone might want to look at...the Mountains, the rolling > hills...the flatlands and, thank goodness, no dessert *G*....except maybe on > the tops of the mts where they've strip mined. My husband is 1/2 Brock (Reece) from Bell County.

'Siyo Sherry. Hey, don't get me wrong here... I love Kentucky to visit and it is beautiful with its rolling hills. I have ancestors who lived and died there and still have very distant kin living there today. My kin lived not too far from what is now called Daniel Boone Forest there in London KY. My kin is mostly from Whitley, Wayne, and Knox counties... on the southern end near TN. If you met a RYAN... they are probably related to me and they are out of the Cherokee side coming from Oconostota. Well, the very tall Miquons hung out in KY for a while... and so did the somewhat shorter Shawnees. Shawnees were generally taller then the Cherokees and shorter then the Miquons. Me being only 5'4"... obviously take after mom's shortness, but looks come from dad's side. Dad took after his mom's side... the very tall ones and dad's pop was way, way short and took after his short Cherokee side. Go figure. Half of us 7 are on the shorter side and the other side approach 6'... and half are darker than the other half... like mom and dad. Funny how that goes. Unfortunately... it is Kentucky. I even heard it from the Indians that live there... that that was what they heard as kids and others shortly after they got there. I talked more about this in another posting... check it out. Hopefully this helps some too. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, living > in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very rough living. > All too often people move into the area(s) and they do not understand > the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just thought it was me > that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't think so. Kentucky > is very beautiful even if you have to look for that beauty at times. > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in > the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that > KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to > Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, > that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud > over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I > learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that > were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature > and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not > live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The > Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because > they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees > and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees > protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected > any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) > warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and > other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and > Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including > Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. > Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and > Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a > few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set > the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it > to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something > like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't > want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." > Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes > around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not > in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old > villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing > developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo/Settico is a prime example. One > business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case > someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the > builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to > get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and > bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians > as well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster

'Siyo Lindsey. Thanks. Earlier I said that Dragging Canoe shared that they could have it this land but that it was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. I have heard a few stories... one even said that these ancient people that were in Kentucky way back in the beginning were some of the ancient Buzzard Cult. The Buzzard Cult had mounds and villages throughout America, Mexico, and South America. It wasn't that the Buzzard Cult or whoever put curses on the land, but that the Blood of the land cried out for judgment and that their evil and monstrous deeds that brought the evil to the land... thus the "dark cloud over the land" and the "dark and bloody land" from all of the innocent blood that was shed from th! eir victims. Some of the Old Ones tell of the dark spirits that ride the storms. Most Indians and I am including us mixedbloods can sense when something is not right when we go places. Our 'red flag' goes up. Our spirit is telling us to be on guard for something. Why do you thing that we smudged, smoked tobacco prayerfully, and wore medicine bags... for protection and/or getting rid/shaking loose that which may have been picked up. We need to take heed to our inner feelings and follow through with what we know. Otherwise... we can pick up a mess and bring it home with us. This was the way it was back then and why things are the way they are now for some. Ever feel icky after being in a hospital, nursing home, or cemetery? Think about that now. The old Cherokees did not mix medicines... ours worked just fine. Cherokees used Pine and Cedar. Up North had their own version of a Sweet Grass... we down here in the South did not. Lenapes and Miquons used Common Flat Cedar and some of the Haudensaunee and Algonquins used Common Flat Cedar and Pine. As I am writing this and coughing my head off... I just remembered that I had been given Pine Needle Tea with Honey when I was sick. Good thing that I have some Pine Trees outside and just saw some Honey earlier. I am in dire need for a good ole fashion Springtime Tonic made the old way... not from the bottle. And I don't mean anything else but a bottle of Pappy's Sassafras Tea. I grew up on that stuff. Dad took it up until he died. Oh well, gotta run and make me some tea and get back to the laundry. Later. Hope it helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > thanks for the info two wolves dancing, that was really interesting. Any > idea who the original people who cursed KY were? Do you think perhaps they > may have moved on to South America, such as the Mexica (Aztecs)? > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:49:51 -0500 > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... > Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They > knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving > KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told them that they could have it. > And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark > cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I > learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were > merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much > blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there for > too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and > Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived along > the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were > their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any > where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors who > came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of > it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannacks and it's other > variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch > because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the > north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. > They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the > record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the > whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if > those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it > knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not > curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes around... > now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old Indian > places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, covered > up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and > business. Sitigo/Citigo/Settico is a prime example. One business man just covered > the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the bones > there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over night > so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed > with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't > already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians as > well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster

Mom used to just dip a long qtip into the turpentine and 'paint' it on my throat. Tasted awful, but got the job done! Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pestana, Sherry" <PestanS@sutterhealth.org> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Joyce, do you know what the turpentine was mixed with to do your throat > with? My dad use to swab my throat with that but I don't remember what > he mixed it with or the portions of each. I sure gets rid of a sore > throat quick. > > > > Sher > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:25 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > I wish we knew. I'm aware of Charles, Susannah and the other Reeces > involved in the Chickamauga area but got no idea which line of Reece's > they > are. Research is still being worked on as James, b 1832 still has no > traceable father. I haven't found anyone yet who can give me the > lineage of > Charles Reece and I haven't done a lot of research on it. I tend to > spread > myself too thin. > > Aren't you on the Cobb list? > > Enjoy your tea. Pine needles have the properties of turpentine, which > has > long been a home remedy for sore throat and congestion. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > > 'Siyo Joyce... now this is the last until I get my Pine Needle Tea. > > <smile>. > > > > REECE... is that Cherokee REECE? As in Susannah REECE/REESE who > married > > OOWatie aka David Watie and they were the parents of Elias "Buck" > Boudinot > > and Stand Watie? > > > > I know someone out of Susannah (REECE/REESE) Watie's brother - one of > his > > names is 'Bear Who Sleeps at Night' and he is also known as Hunter > > REECE/REESE... Hunter, and also Charles REECE/REESE. I lost touch > with > > her... the storms down south. > > > > Just checking. > > > > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Joyce. Thanks. A bit of history first to connect everything... I have spent most of my lifetime working seriously on my family tree and started to work on dad's side back in '86. Since I come out of Oconostota's line on mom's side. This is were I get my Wolf Clan from. Over the years I have met quite a few of Dragging Canoe's descendents and learned from them as well. Some research and historical records report that Dragging Canoe is Oconostota's nephew... and that sorta fits my family's story that says that Oconostota's father was called "Little Owl". Little Owl is what we know him as and he may have a other names that I didn't write down or that they forgotten over time. White Owl Raven married Nancy Moytoy and were said to be Attakullakulla's parents. This is how White Owl Raven came into the Cherokee Nation. Little Owl is supposed to be kin of White Owl Raven, the Algonquin/Shawnee Medicine Man. Now, being that Dragging Canoe's father is Attakullakulla and ! he was supposed to be originally out of the Algonquin/Shawnee/Napuchee (old ones from Grandfather Mountain aka Lookout Mtn) area where he was taken on a raid. Some say that his father only took back one of his own in that raid. Interestingly enough... Dragging Canoe was said to have done the same thing with one of his children by one of his many women. I spell the ancient ones of Grandfather Mountain as Napuchee... because that is the way that I believed that I heard it way back then. Now, if one of Dragging Canoe's parents were in fact one of the Algonquin/Shawnee/Napuchees out of Grandfather Mountain and they were medicine people... then that makes sense since he was cured of Smallpox and bore the pockmarks all his life. Now, one of his kin was the Smallpox Conjurer of Settico. And this supports that Smallpox could be cured back then and we (Indians) knew the cure. I mentioned all of this to show the connection with Dragging Canoe and the Algonquins and Shawnees wh! o there at the Daniel Boone getting KY gathering. Dragging Canoe was a War Chief and was dead against this sale in the first place. So, he got his angst in when he passed along the curse. I bet he was smiling and said to himself... that'll fix ya for being greedy and taking our ancestral hunting grounds. It did because the settlers had a bad time of it there and like many left for greener pastures elsewhere. You have been posting for quite a while.. You will find reports that Dragging Canoe spoke the curse, he did not invent the curse... he was just passing on the curse in a warning. My guess is that this happened around 1775... http://www.scott.k12.va.us/history/priorto.html - "Treaty of Watauga"- (3/17/75) at Sycamore Shoals, Col. Richard Henderson, Daniel Boone, and over 1200 Cherokees meet to negotiate the purchase of a vast area of land in Kentucky. The decision to sell the land was not his, he like the others had to go along with it. Shortly after this, Dragging Canoe broke away in 1776 from the Cherokees and formed the Chickamauga Cherokees... and so did Oconostota. Dragging Canoe was a Red Chief aka War Chief... and so was Oconostota, although Oconostota was also a White Chief aka Peace Chief earlier under Attakullakulla. Some say that Oconostota died in 1778, while others say that he died in 1805. Boone was said to have traveled up and down through these lands here... starting here in PA where he was born and grew up. They say that he moved to NC when he was about 18. After that he started to explore the country and in 1769 he set off with 5 others to explore the regions of KY. Remember that way back when... PA was so big that it encompassed parts of MD and KY. Pennsylvania was known back then as Pennsyltucky. And, also back then it was supposed to be parceled out for a 14th state for the Miquons/Susquehannocks.and other Indians. And that added wood to the fire as well. I vaguely remember seeing Will Emory Jr's name in passing while doing Cherokee History research... so I did a google search to see what goes. Now I know why I remember him. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-04%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=%22William+Emory%22%2C+%22daniel+boone%22 Everything eventually does seem to make more sense once you start to fit all of the pieces together... like Will Emory Jr being married Mary Grant, daughter of Ludwig Grant. And Ludwig Grant.knew Attakullakulla. And, Emory also hung with the Shawnees. And, Ludwig Grant was said to have been one of the ones that convinced Attakullakulla along with 6 other young chiefs to visit England with Cumming... and so was came full circle to see how they all connected. Hope it helped. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Cobb Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Delores > > THANK you so very much for a good post. It is few of our NA who so choose > to enlighten us about the old ways and what you have learned from the old > ones. Many of us researchers have to rely ONLY on what we can draw from > certain resources and just wonder about the other half of the story. It > takes some folks quite a while to realize that there is always more than one > side to every door and every issue. > > Just one question though. Would Dragging Canoe have been the leader to tell > Daniel Boone he could 'have' the land at Boonesborouh? If so it would > explain some things to me in my research. You see, William Emory Jr is > documented as having 2 encounters with Boone in KY. He is also known as > Will or Capt Will. Capt Will was born 1744 and resided in the Overhills > until at least 1762 when the first enounter is recorded with Boone. The > second is recorded in 1772. > > When was Dragging Canoe supposed to have made this decision? He was a War > Chief? Correct? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. You will often find the Shawnees protecting their Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and Susquehannocks and it's other variations of spelling, including Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a few generations before moving more north into MD. So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from individuals, but not in general. TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo/Settico is a prime example. One business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and historians as well as some Miquons. Hope this helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer aka Sparkle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. Unfortunately, it went both ways. Joyce Gaston Reece

Joyce, do you know what the turpentine was mixed with to do your throat with? My dad use to swab my throat with that but I don't remember what he mixed it with or the portions of each. I sure gets rid of a sore throat quick. Sher -----Original Message----- From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:25 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks I wish we knew. I'm aware of Charles, Susannah and the other Reeces involved in the Chickamauga area but got no idea which line of Reece's they are. Research is still being worked on as James, b 1832 still has no traceable father. I haven't found anyone yet who can give me the lineage of Charles Reece and I haven't done a lot of research on it. I tend to spread myself too thin. Aren't you on the Cobb list? Enjoy your tea. Pine needles have the properties of turpentine, which has long been a home remedy for sore throat and congestion. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > 'Siyo Joyce... now this is the last until I get my Pine Needle Tea. > <smile>. > > REECE... is that Cherokee REECE? As in Susannah REECE/REESE who married > OOWatie aka David Watie and they were the parents of Elias "Buck" Boudinot > and Stand Watie? > > I know someone out of Susannah (REECE/REESE) Watie's brother - one of his > names is 'Bear Who Sleeps at Night' and he is also known as Hunter > REECE/REESE... Hunter, and also Charles REECE/REESE. I lost touch with > her... the storms down south. > > Just checking. > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Dearest Blue Panther.....Do you have ant stories of Eaglemen or Clowns from our own people....please please please ----- Original Message ----- From: Blue Panther Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:03 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Glooscap fights the water monster - Wabanaki Glooscap fights the water monster - Wabanaki Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was as big as a whale. "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the back, and it shrank to it's present size. The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in its path - forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should be. Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as Glooscap had made it. The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source of the spring to see why it had run dry. This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for himself." "Where is your chief?" asked the man. "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists covered it's slimy surface. The monster had a mile- wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want? "The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't muddy it so much. "The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: Do as you please, Do as you please, I don't care, I don't care, If you want water, If you want water, Go elsewhere! The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." The monster replied: I don't care, I don't care, Don't bother me, Don't bother me, Go away, Go away, Or I'll swallow you up! The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village of the people with webbed hands and feet. "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! All the waters are mine! All the waters are mine! Go away! Go away! Or I'll kill you! "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of the east. "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. >From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

No you have to use the search option........if you have Internet Explorer that you do searches on it then that's the "window" you'd open if you use Netscape you'd have to switch over. I think the right name is Browser (may be wrong) Alli > Can you get to this link from Outlook Express? > Bettye

Works for me ;) Boy it got quiet.............where'd everyone go? Can't be Tornado's all over is there? Alli ;) > Long time ago. > It was declared as off topic because so many people said it was not > culture - > Any thing NA > is about the life of NA > and since in my book > , life is culture - > > Dan M > www.wvi.com/~wb > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat

I clicked on the Search icon/button, but it didn't have the customize link? Never mind......it does, just not where I thought it would :) Its on my tool bar :) Alli > In Internet Explorer > Search icon > Click the customize link and pick > overture in both windows. > I like it, I dont expect every one to tho. > > > Dan M >

Can you get to this link from Outlook Express? Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > In Internet Explorer > Search icon > Click the customize link and pick > overture in both windows. > I like it, I dont expect every one to tho. > > > Dan M > www.wvi.com/~wb > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > > >> Google was just an example :) >> Never heard of Overture. Will check them out though :) >> >> Alli >> > More search engines than google try Overture - larger than google. >> > Also is a part of Internet explorer search. >> > >> > Dan M >> >> >> >> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >> ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Glooscap fights the water monster - Wabanaki Glooscap yet lives, somewhere at the southern edge of the world. He never grows old, and he will last as long as this world lasts. Sometimes Glooscap gets tired of running this world, ruling the animals, regulating nature, instructing people how to live. Then he tells us: "I'm tired of it. Good-bye; I'm going to make myself die now." He paddles off in his magic white canoe and disappears in mist clouds. But he always comes back. He cannot abandon the people forever, and they cannot live without him. Glooscap is a spirit, a medicine man, a sorcerer. He can make men and women smile. He can do anything. Glooscap made all the animals, creating them to be peaceful and useful to humans. When he formed the first squirrel, it was as big as a whale. "What would you do if I let you loose on the world?" Glooscap asked, and the squirrel attacked a big tree, chewing it to pieces in no time. "You're too destructive for your size," Glooscap said, and remade him small. The first beaver also was as big as a whale, and it built a dam that flooded the country from horizon to horizon. Glooscap said, "You'll drown all the people if I let you loose like this." He tapped the beaver on the back, and it shrank to it's present size. The first moose was so tall that it reached to the sky and looked altogether different from the way it looks now. It trampled everything in its path - forests, mountains, everything. "You'll ruin everything," Glooscap said. "You'll step on people and kill them." Glooscap tapped the moose on the back to make it small, but the moose refused to become smaller. So Glooscap killed it and recreated it in a different size and with a different look. In this way Glooscap made everything as it should be. Glooscap had also created a village and taught the people there everything they needed to know. They were happy hunting and fishing. Men and women were happy making love. Children were happy playing. Parents cherished their children, and children respected their parents. All was well as Glooscap had made it. The village had one spring, the only source of water far and wide, that always flowed with pure, clear, cold water. But one day the spring ran dry; only a little bit of slimy ooze issued from it. It stayed dry even in the fall when the rains came, and in the spring when the snows melted. The people wondered, "What shall we do? We can't live without water." The wise men and elders held a council and decided to send a man north to the source of the spring to see why it had run dry. This man walked a long time until at last he came to a village. The people there were not like humans; they had webbed hands and feet. Here the brook widened out. There was some water in it, not much but a little, though it was slimy, yellowish, and stinking. The man was thirsty from his walk and asked to be given a little water, even if it was bad. "We can't give you any water," said the people with the webbed hands and feet, "unless our great chief permits it. He wants all the water for himself." "Where is your chief?" asked the man. "You must follow the brook further up," they told him. The man walked on and at last met the big chief. When he saw him he trembled with fright, because the chief was a monster so huge that if one stood at his feet, one could not see his head. The monster filled the whole valley from end to end. He had dug himself a huge hole and damned it up, so that all the water was in it and none could flow into the stream bed. And he had fouled the water and made it poisonous, so that stinking mists covered it's slimy surface. The monster had a mile- wide, grinning mouth going from ear to ear. His dull yellow eyes started out of his head like huge pine knots. His body was bloated and covered with warts as big as mountains. The monster stared dully at the man with his protruding eyes and finally said in a fearsome croak: "Little man, what do you want? "The man was terrified, but he said: "I come from a village far down-stream. Our only spring ran dry, because you're keeping all the water for yourself. We would like you to let us have some of this water. Also, please don't muddy it so much. "The monster blinked at him a few times. Finally he croaked: Do as you please, Do as you please, I don't care, I don't care, If you want water, If you want water, Go elsewhere! The man said, "We need the water. The people are dying of thirst." The monster replied: I don't care, I don't care, Don't bother me, Don't bother me, Go away, Go away, Or I'll swallow you up! The monster opened his mouth wide from ear to ear, and inside it the man could see the many things that the creature had killed. The monster gulped a few times and smacked his lips with a noise like thunder. At this the man's courage broke, and he turned and ran away as fast as he could. Back at his village the man told the people: "Nothing can be done. If we complain, this monster will swallow us up. He'll kill us all." The people were in despair. "What shall we do?" they cried. Now, Glooscap knows everything that goes on in the world, even before it happens. He sees everything with his inward eye. He said: "I must set things right. I'll have to get water for the people!" Then Glooscap girded himself for war. He painted his body with paint as red as blood. He made himself twelve feet tall. He used two huge clamshells for his earrings. He put a hundred black eagle feathers and a hundred white eagle feathers in his scalp lock. He painted yellow rings around his eyes. He twisted his mouth into a snarl and made himself look ferocious. He stamped, and the earth trembled. He uttered his fearful war cry, and it echoed and re-echoed from all the mountains. He grasped a huge mountain in his hand, a mountain composed of flint, and from it made himself a single knife sharp as a weasel's teeth. "Now I am going," he said, striding forth among thunder and lightening, with mighty eagles circling above him. Then Glooscap came to the village of the people with webbed hands and feet. "I want water," he told them. Looking at him, they were afraid. They brought him a little muddy water. "I'll think I'll get more and cleaner water," he said. Glooscap went upstream and confronted the monster. "I want clean water, " he said, "a lot of it, for the people downstream." Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! All the waters are mine! All the waters are mine! Go away! Go away! Or I'll kill you! "Slimy lump of mud!" cried Glooscap. "We'll see who will be killed!" They fought. The mountains shook. The earth split open. The swamp smoked and burst into flames. Mighty trees were shivered into splinters. The monster opened it's huge mouth wide to swallow Glooscap. Glooscap made himself taller than the tallest tree, and even the monster's mile-wide mouth was too small for him. Glooscap seized his great flint knife and slit the monster's bloated belly. From the wound gushed a mighty stream, a roaring river, tumbling, rolling, foaming down, down, down, gouging out for itself a vast, deep bed, flowing by the village and on to the great sea of the east. "That should be enough water for the people," said Glooscap. He grasped the monster and squeezed him in his mighty palm, squeezed and squeezed and threw him away, flinging him into the swamp. Glooscap had squeezed this great creature into a small bullfrog, and ever since, the bullfrogs' skin has been wrinkled because Glooscap squeezed so hard. From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Long time ago. It was declared as off topic because so many people said it was not culture - Any thing NA is about the life of NA and since in my book , life is culture - Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Doing a search is a way to learn even more about a topic that is shared. > But no its not the only way. :) > When a subject or question is brought up then those with the knowledge could > share (initially) what they may know about it & then suggest that they check > out certain sites or do additional searches on the internet if they would > like to learn more > but to not initially be willing to share your knowledge that you claim to > have....just not right. > > I'm glad a few are starting to share what they know about Leonard or any > Culture related topic. It makes the list alive & helpful once again :) > > Alli > > Doing a search is the only way for people to learn first hand on the vast > > amount of what is available. There is far too much on the web to put into > > e-mail. > > My list "The American Indian" has had Leonard supporters for a long long > > time. > > Leonard is not a culture topic, but is one of compassion for all the > > people who care for him, at that point it brings it very close into the > > culture " support" of the people. > > I have been following for a long time. > > Any one is welcome to post their favorite Leonard sites. > > > > Dan M > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In Internet Explorer Search icon Click the customize link and pick overture in both windows. I like it, I dont expect every one to tho. Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] MESSAGE FROM LEONARD PELTIER > Google was just an example :) > Never heard of Overture. Will check them out though :) > > Alli > > More search engines than google try Overture - larger than google. > > Also is a part of Internet explorer search. > > > > Dan M > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Google was just an example :) Never heard of Overture. Will check them out though :) Alli > More search engines than google try Overture - larger than google. > Also is a part of Internet explorer search. > > Dan M

Doing a search is a way to learn even more about a topic that is shared. But no its not the only way. :) When a subject or question is brought up then those with the knowledge could share (initially) what they may know about it & then suggest that they check out certain sites or do additional searches on the internet if they would like to learn more but to not initially be willing to share your knowledge that you claim to have....just not right. I'm glad a few are starting to share what they know about Leonard or any Culture related topic. It makes the list alive & helpful once again :) Alli > Doing a search is the only way for people to learn first hand on the vast > amount of what is available. There is far too much on the web to put into > e-mail. > My list "The American Indian" has had Leonard supporters for a long long > time. > Leonard is not a culture topic, but is one of compassion for all the > people who care for him, at that point it brings it very close into the > culture " support" of the people. > I have been following for a long time. > Any one is welcome to post their favorite Leonard sites. > > Dan M

Yes. I inquired about William Duckworth Shelton (Duck Franklin). The Madison County, NC website mentions him so like you said it must be pretty much true. I am planning a trip to Madison County in the next couple of weeks to go see the graves of those Shelton's that were massacred during the Civil War. A movie was made about the Shelton Laurel Massacre but I can't seem to find a copy. Maybe they will have one there somewhere. My lines from Harlan county are related to the Brocks but only through marriage I think. I went to Clay County, KY last week and saw, for the first time, a part-time traffic light. LOL I couldn't help but think...now, if you need a light there at all then shouldn't it be on all the time? Stay well and if you need anything just let me know. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:08 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks I thought I recognized your name from somewhere Sherry...it must be the Shelton Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

thanks joyce! I'll check it out. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:17:53 -0500 YOu can get all we have on the Bird / Hembree relationships at that same website. www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 behind records. Scroll down to H for the Four Hembree Data Projects. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] >-Joyce - >Really?!? cause I have relations back to the Bird family of NC, the >furthest back I have found so far is Edward Bird (or Byrd) of Duplin, North >Carolina, born Abt. 1755 - died Bef. 1830 in Franklin, MS. I am his 5th >great-granddaughter. My line goes from him through his son William Bird - >to Ebenizer P Bird - to Amaranth Harriet "Anne" Bird - to Lula Leora >Garrard - to Daisy Elizabeth Creekmore - to Barbara Jenkins (my mother). Do >you have a gedcom file you could send me? If so send to >anathema_studio@hotmail.com > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:25:40 -0500 > >The BIRD family has some associations with the Emory/Hembree family....got >several middle names of Bird....like Joel Bird in the group...It is said >to be from the Bird family of NC > >Joyce Gaston Reece >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" ><anathema_studio@hotmail.com> >To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:19 PM >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] > > >>Thanks for the website, I'll check that out. Reverund Red Bird Smith of >>the > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I thought I recognized your name from somewhere Sherry...it must be the Shelton Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com>

Cool. Most of my relatives are from Harlan County but they crossed over into Bell County, TN, and Virginia quite often. Williams, Bull, Shelton, Day, Howard, Turner, Napier, Garrett, just to name a few. It is a small world isn't it. Nice to "meet" you Joyce. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:28 PM To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks Sherry Kentucky is a beautiful state. It's much like Tennessee in that it has everything anyone might want to look at...the Mountains, the rolling hills...the flatlands and, thank goodness, no dessert *G*....except maybe on the tops of the mts where they've strip mined. My husband is 1/2 Brock (Reece) from Bell County. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > Lol that explains my brother at 6 foot 8. lol Aside from that, > living in Kentucky (especially the mountains of Kentucky) is very > rough living. All too often people move into the area(s) and they do > not understand the way of life here. Is Kentucky cursed ( I just > thought it was me that was cursed and not the entire state)? I don't > think so. Kentucky is very beautiful even if you have to look for > that beauty at times. > > Sherry > > -----Original Message----- > From: TwoWolvesDancing [mailto:twowolvesdancing@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:50 PM > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, > Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > > > 'Siyo. I haven't posted much lately, but felt to here... Cherokees in > the very early days used KY as only for Hunting Grounds. They knew > that KY was cursed. That is why Dragging Canoe had no problem giving > KY to Daniel Boone and company... but told tem that they could have > it. And, that this land was a"dark and bloody land" and that "it had a > dark cloud over it". In my research and listening to some of the old > ones that I learned that the curse came from the original peoples in > that land that were merciless and bloody killers who were also > cannibalistic in nature and much blood was shed on this land. That's > why the Cherokees did not live there for too long of a period, but > only used it for hunting. The Shawnees and Miquon/Minqua (the English > called them Susquehanna because they lived along the Susquehanna River > in PA, MD, and VA) The Shawnees and Miquons were their protectors. > You will often find the Shawnees protecting their > Cherokees) borders in exchange for protection. The Miquons protected > any where... not just the border. Miquons were very tall (giants) > warriors who came to fight, prepared to die. Miquon and Minqua and > other variations of it's spelling along with Susquehanna and > Susquehannacks and it's other variations of spelling, including > Sasquahanna). Some called them Sasquatch because of this spelling. > Some of my mom's side Cherokees came out of the north hills of NC and > Wolf Town NC they moved into the lower part of KY. They only stayed a > few generations before moving more north into MD. > > So, there were plenty of Indians in KY back in the early days. To set > the record straight... Dragging Canoe did not curse KY before giving > it to the whites... he was probably laughing to himself saying > something like "if those stupid people want KY they can have it... we > surely don't want it knowing what we have known for many, many > generations." Cherokees did not curse for they knew the way/tradition > that what goes around comes around... now cursing could come from > individuals, but not in general. > > TN has been going out of their way to destroy any remains of the old > Indian places and artifacts. They have destroyed mounds and old > villages, covered up these places and old burial grounds with housing > developments and business. Sitigo/Citigo is a prime example. One > business man just covered the burial place with gravel just in case > someone wants to gather the bones there on his place. One of the > builders leveled an entire mound over night so that no one had time to > get an injunction to stop him. Now that greed with one day come up > and bite him in the you-know-what... if it hadn't already. > > Just some things that I have learned from Cherokee elders and > historians as well as some Miquons. > > Hope this helps. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > > There were NA in Kentucky....they just weren't Cherokee...Shawnee > perhaps with others in their midst. It isn't assumed. Cherokee > research shows no villages in what is now KY. I might suggest you > read Mr. Worthy's "Chronicles of Border Warfare". It was written in > 1830 and is reproduced in the original print. It may open the eyes of > all NA researchers who tend to think that only the NA were abused. > Unfortunately, it went both ways. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Huff" <sheree606@alltel.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY > >> Why is/was it assumed that no Indians lived in the state of Kentucky? >> Sherry > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL > the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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