Glooskap Gets Two Surprises - Micmac One morning Glooskap sat on his favorite sand dune and looked at the sea. Sun glinted off a thousand whitecaps. Indian people bathed in the shallows and fished from canoes in deeper water Gulls keened overhead, and cliff swallows somersaulted in the air, chasing the wind. "I'm in a good mood today," Glooskap said. "A very very good mood." Just when he had said this, the chief of a nearby village ran up. "Glooskap," he said, "I'm afraid I have horrible news." "Nothing can trouble me today," Glooskap said. "Every wicked magician, every cunning sorcerer, every ghost, every fiend, every cannibal, every goblin, and every treacherous beast are meeting right now," the chief said, trembling. "How rude of them!" Glooskap laughed. "They didn't even invite me!" "Don't you want to know what the meeting is about?" said the chief. "Oh, most certainly," said Glooskap. "Forgive me, yes, go on, tell me." "They are plotting to do away with you!" the chief said. Glooskap's smile turned into a frown so quickly, it was almost as if the world itself had turned upside-down. "I knew you would be angry," the chief said. Glooskap stomped on the ground, so that the chief had to hold his hands over his ears; it was like being in an earthquake. "Me? Angry?" said Glooskap. "No, I'm not angry!" He stomped some more, kicked a few boulders into the sea, yanked at his hair, sat down, and scowled. The chief went back to his village. Glooskap sat brooding. "All the magicians, sorcerers, ghosts, fiends, cannibals, goblins, and beasts are jealous of my great powers," he said to himself. "I've known this for a long time. But now their jealousy has turned evil, and I must tend to this matter quickly." Glooskap walked to a rocky field. He got down on his knees, put an ear to the ground, and listened. He heard his enemies plotting to do away with him. He heard magicians clicking long knives together, sorcerers bubbling up a poisonous soup in a cauldron. He heard fiends, ghosts, cannibals, and goblins practicing magic songs to pierce Glooskap's ears - oh, they had hideous, cackling voices! He heard beasts filing and whittling their teeth into harpoons. Suddenly Glooskap heard one fiend say, "It is time. Let us go get Glooskap." But Glooskap had a plan. He pushed aside some large rocks, then reached down into the earth, his arm making a tunnel to the magicians, sorcerers, fiends, ghosts, cannibals, goblins, and beasts. When Glooskap drew his arm back, his enemies looked up and saw his face. Glooskap grinned. He leaned down, put his mouth over the tunnel's entrance, and hollered, "Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!" Then he guffawed, "Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw!" Glooskap's laughter filled the tunnel. The sound made his enemies writhe with pain. They stuffed dirt into their ears, but the laughter pierced straight through and echoed inside their heads! Glooskap laughed and laughed, until the magicians, sorcerers, fiends, ghosts, cannibals, goblins, and beasts could hardly stand it. With one, final laugh - Ha! - an avalanche smothered Glooskap's enemies. Now there was a vast silence, the kind of silence that arrives only after Glooskap has stopped laughing and an avalanche has settled to a mere trickle of dirt and pebbles. "Now," boasted Glooskap, "there is no one or nothing that can overpower me!" "Are you certain, Master Glooskap?" Glooskap heard someone say, in a lovely voice. He turned around and saw a beautiful woman. "What do you mean, am I certain?" said Glooskap. "I think there is still at least one who remains unconquered," the woman said. In some surprise Glooskap said, "What is the name of this mighty one?" "He is called Wasis," replied the woman, "but I strongly advise you to keep away from him." "How dare you!" Glooskap cried. "The great Glooskap is afraid of no one!" "Be careful. This one is quite different," the woman warned. "Begone with you!" Glooskap ordered, and the woman ran away. The very next day Glooskap encountered this Wasis. When he saw Wasis, he laughed to himself. "So this is the unconquerable Wasis!" he said, for Wasis was only a baby. He sat on the ground sucking on a piece of maple sap and humming a song. Glooskap had spent little time around children as small as Wasis, but with perfect confidence he smiled at the baby and beckoned him. The baby smiled back, but did not budge. "When Glooskap calls," Glooskap said, "you hurry to him!" But the baby ignored Glooskap, and went on sucking the candy and humming. This confounded Glooskap, but then he thought, "Aha! I know a way to draw this baby nearer. I'll imitate wild and beautiful birdsongs. No one can resist that!" Glooskap chirped, whistling long and lovely notes and making whispering coos. Still, Wasis paid Glooskap no attention. Looking bored, he threw his maple candy at Glooskap. It stuck to Glooskap's foot. Glooskap was not used to being disobeyed. He stomped and yanked his hair, and said, "If you don't crawl over here, I'll throw you into the sea!" Glooskap then made all sorts of other threats, all the while flailing at a pine tree until its branches fell all around Wasis. Wasis wrinkled up his face. "Waaahhh!" he cried. "Waaahhh! Waaahhh!" He wailed louder and louder, until Glooskap covered his ears and tossed himself to the ground. "I've never heard such a bloodcurdling I screech!" he said. Glooskap summoned all his magic resources to try and quiet down Wasis. He cast his mightiest spells, shouted his most dreadful curses, recited his ancient chants, and sang his wildest songs loud enough to raise the dead. But Wasis only cried more loudly. Finally, as Glooskap fled in frustration and despair, Wasis stopped his crying, smiled, and looked amused. He softly said, "Ga ga ga ga goo," the way all babies talk. This is how Glooskap got two surprises. And it is how he threw a tantrum, and got one thrown back at him. Taken from book - How Glooskap Outwits The Ice Giants and Other Tales of the Maritime Indians Retold by Howard Norman From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

'Siyo Lindsey, that would be great. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > Hey Sparkle, > Well I know my Cobbs are on my father's side, my father's last name is > Avery. But I haven't yet traced that side back too far cause I've been > concentrating alot on my mother's rather MAMMOTH sized family ;). But people > in my father's family have done the research before and found the Cobbs, so > I can ask him and get back to you.

'Siyo Lindsey. Check around the area's Indian shops and pow-wows and ask for local Cherokees that you can connect with. I prefer to attend gatherings, less commercialism, more teachings. Then, just listen. Remember to always gift the giver. Sacred ceremonies and traditions and certain medicines will never be found on the net... especially for a price. There is a lot of garbage out on the net that was put there to confuse you... proceed with caution. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / KY, old time ways / medicines > Thanks Two Wolves Dancing, > I hadn't thought about it that way before. The only problem with me using > Cherokee medicine is no one has ever taught me. There's not too many people > around where I live who use it. I'd love to learn it though, what do you > recommend?

Hi Joyce. Thanks. Have you ever checked out http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cobb/ ? I have McMinn Cobbs/Cobb as well. I am out of The Cobbs of Kent and Descendants of Ambrose Cobbs of Virginia File Manager Mike Cobb at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cobb/ . Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > I never answered you either Dolores. My Cobb connections are via my gg > aunt, Ellen Toomey who m. Jos Cobb in Monroe Co, TN. They are interred in > McMinn Co, TN > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > > > Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > > aka Sparkle

The continuing adventures of little bear. A long time ago there was a warrior and his name is little bear and he was a storyteller each morning he arose and would tell a story to his village. One day the village had some guests, they asked little bear if he would come to their villages and tell stories and he said that he would. Soon he was telling the stories to many villages, he would rise before dawn and start to visit all of the villages at times he would arrive at his village way after his village had gone to sleep. At first all of the villages thank him for doing this. Then they forgot to thank the story teller but he kept on telling stories to them. After saying he was going to stop telling the stories the villages begged him to not to stop. Now it is 2 years later and little bear is still doing his daily rounds. All this time his village suffered. A now little bear is back at his fire in front of his lodge in his village. Here he tells the stories and the messengers went to all of the villages and told them if they wanted to learn the legends that needed to come to little bears village there he would continue to tell his stories. Blue Panther http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Native_Village

Glooskap Gets Two Surprises - Abenaki One morning Glooskap sat on his favorite sand dune and looked at the sea. Sun glinted off a thousand whitecaps. Indian people bathed in the shallows and fished from canoes in deeper water Gulls keened overhead, and cliff swallows somersaulted in the air, chasing the wind. "I'm in a good mood today," Glooskap said. "A very very good mood." Just when he had said this, the chief of a nearby village ran up. "Glooskap," he said, "I'm afraid I have horrible news." "Nothing can trouble me today," Glooskap said. "Every wicked magician, every cunning sorcerer, every ghost, every fiend, every cannibal, every goblin, and every treacherous beast are meeting right now," the chief said, trembling. "How rude of them!" Glooskap laughed. "They didn't even invite me!" "Don't you want to know what the meeting is about?" said the chief. "Oh, most certainly," said Glooskap. "Forgive me, yes, go on, tell me." "They are plotting to do away with you!" the chief said. Glooskap's smile turned into a frown so quickly, it was almost as if the world itself had turned upside-down. "I knew you would be angry," the chief said. Glooskap stomped on the ground, so that the chief had to hold his hands over his ears; it was like being in an earthquake. "Me? Angry?" said Glooskap. "No, I'm not angry!" He stomped some more, kicked a few boulders into the sea, yanked at his hair, sat down, and scowled. The chief went back to his village. Glooskap sat brooding. "All the magicians, sorcerers, ghosts, fiends, cannibals, goblins, and beasts are jealous of my great powers," he said to himself. "I've known this for a long time. But now their jealousy has turned evil, and I must tend to this matter quickly." Glooskap walked to a rocky field. He got down on his knees, put an ear to the ground, and listened. He heard his enemies plotting to do away with him. He heard magicians clicking long knives together, sorcerers bubbling up a poisonous soup in a cauldron. He heard fiends, ghosts, cannibals, and goblins practicing magic songs to pierce Glooskap's ears - oh, they had hideous, cackling voices! He heard beasts filing and whittling their teeth into harpoons. Suddenly Glooskap heard one fiend say, "It is time. Let us go get Glooskap." But Glooskap had a plan. He pushed aside some large rocks, then reached down into the earth, his arm making a tunnel to the magicians, sorcerers, fiends, ghosts, cannibals, goblins, and beasts. When Glooskap drew his arm back, his enemies looked up and saw his face. Glooskap grinned. He leaned down, put his mouth over the tunnel's entrance, and hollered, "Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!" Then he guffawed, "Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw, guffaw!" Glooskap's laughter filled the tunnel. The sound made his enemies writhe with pain. They stuffed dirt into their ears, but the laughter pierced straight through and echoed inside their heads! Glooskap laughed and laughed, until the magicians, sorcerers, fiends, ghosts, cannibals, goblins, and beasts could hardly stand it. With one, final laugh - Ha! - an avalanche smothered Glooskap's enemies. Now there was a vast silence, the kind of silence that arrives only after Glooskap has stopped laughing and an avalanche has settled to a mere trickle of dirt and pebbles. "Now," boasted Glooskap, "there is no one or nothing that can overpower me!" "Are you certain, Master Glooskap?" Glooskap heard someone say, in a lovely voice. He turned around and saw a beautiful woman. "What do you mean, am I certain?" said Glooskap. "I think there is still at least one who remains unconquered," the woman said. In some surprise Glooskap said, "What is the name of this mighty one?" "He is called Wasis," replied the woman, "but I strongly advise you to keep away from him." "How dare you!" Glooskap cried. "The great Glooskap is afraid of no one!" "Be careful. This one is quite different," the woman warned. "Begone with you!" Glooskap ordered, and the woman ran away. The very next day Glooskap encountered this Wasis. When he saw Wasis, he laughed to himself. "So this is the unconquerable Wasis!" he said, for Wasis was only a baby. He sat on the ground sucking on a piece of maple sap and humming a song. Glooskap had spent little time around children as small as Wasis, but with perfect confidence he smiled at the baby and beckoned him. The baby smiled back, but did not budge. "When Glooskap calls," Glooskap said, "you hurry to him!" But the baby ignored Glooskap, and went on sucking the candy and humming. This confounded Glooskap, but then he thought, "Aha! I know a way to draw this baby nearer. I'll imitate wild and beautiful birdsongs. No one can resist that!" Glooskap chirped, whistling long and lovely notes and making whispering coos. Still, Wasis paid Glooskap no attention. Looking bored, he threw his maple candy at Glooskap. It stuck to Glooskap's foot. Glooskap was not used to being disobeyed. He stomped and yanked his hair, and said, "If you don't crawl over here, I'll throw you into the sea!" Glooskap then made all sorts of other threats, all the while flailing at a pine tree until its branches fell all around Wasis. Wasis wrinkled up his face. "Waaahhh!" he cried. "Waaahhh! Waaahhh!" He wailed louder and louder, until Glooskap covered his ears and tossed himself to the ground. "I've never heard such a bloodcurdling I screech!" he said. Glooskap summoned all his magic resources to try and quiet down Wasis. He cast his mightiest spells, shouted his most dreadful curses, recited his ancient chants, and sang his wildest songs loud enough to raise the dead. But Wasis only cried more loudly. Finally, as Glooskap fled in frustration and despair, Wasis stopped his crying, smiled, and looked amused. He softly said, "Ga ga ga ga goo," the way all babies talk. This is how Glooskap got two surprises. And it is how he threw a tantrum, and got one thrown back at him. Taken from book - How Glooskap Outwits The Ice Giants and Other Tales of the Maritime Indians Retold by Howard Norman From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

*SPECIAL ALERT! Buffalo Field Campaign Special Alert! March 20, 2006 http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org Dear Buffalo Friends, The National Park System Advisory Board (the Board), the body that advises the Director of the National Park Service and the Secretary of the Interior on matters relating to the National Park Service, the National Park System, and programs administered by the National Park Service, has scheduled a meeting in Jacksonville, FL for this Wednesday, March 22, 2006. According to the March 6 Federal Register announcing the Jacksonville meeting, NPS Director Fran Mainella will attend the meeting next week to address the board. The board meetings are open to the public on a first-come-first-serve basis and minutes from the board meeting are produced and available to the public about 12 weeks after the meeting. In addition, anyone can submit a written statement to the board regarding any national park system issue. We urge each of you to contact the the Board liaison and demand that the NPS refrain from harming and killing America's last wild buffalo, and take all necessary and available measures to ensure their lasting protection. A sample letter is provided below. You might also mention that Yellowstone National Park has been completely unresponsive to requests from the American people demanding the halt of bison slaughter and harassment, and as a public agency, this behavior is not only unacceptable but unconstitutional as well. Below is a breakdown of the aggressive and lethal actions Yellowstone National Park has taken against America's last wild bison: Yellowstone National Park - Bison Slaughter & Removals: 940 Total 1 Shot 849 slaughtered 3 died in capture facility 87 calves sent to quarantine In addition, Montana's Department of Livestock (DOL) has, so far, killed 78 wild Yellowstone buffalo, bringing the total death and removal by state and federal management activities to an astounding and unacceptable 1,018 buffalo. TAKE ACTION FOR THE WILD YELLOWSTONE BUFFALO! Please use the sample letter below for guidance, and in your own words, ask the Board to address this critical issue and advise the NPS to protect, not harm or slaughter, America's last wild bison. Address your emails to Loran Fraser, Chief, Office of Policy NPS and NPS liason to the advisory board. Email: loran_fraser@nps.gov *SAMPLE LETTER (please personalize for effectiveness!) 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Glooskap and His People - Algonquin In the beginning, there were just the forest and the sea; no people and no animals. Then Glooskap came. Where this wondrous giant was born and when, none can tell, but he and his brother Malsum came from somewhere in the Sky to the part of North America nearest the rising sun. There, anchoring his canoe, he turned it into a granite island covered with spruce and pine. He called the island Uktamkoo. (the land we know today as Newfoundland) This, in the beginning, was Glooskap's lodge. The Great Chief Glooskap looked and lived like an ordinary man except that he was twice as tall, twice as strong, and possessed great magic. He was never sick, never married, never grew old, and never died. He had a magic belt which gave him great power, and he used this power only for good. Malsum, his twin brother, also great of stature, had the head of a wolf and the body of an Indian. Malsum knew magic too, but he used his power for evil. As Glooskap set about his work, the air was fragrant with balsam and the tang of the sea. First, out of the rocks, he made the Little People; the fairies, or Megumoowesoos. These were small hairy creatures who dwelt among the rocks and made such wonderful music on the flute that all who heard it were bewitched. From amongst the Megumoowesoos, Glooskap chose a servant, Marten, who was like a younger brother to him. Next Glooskap made men. Taking up his great bow, he shot arrows into the trunks of ash trees. Out of the trees stepped men and women. They were a strong and graceful people with light brown skins and shining black hair. Glooskap called them the Wabanaki, which means "those who live where the day breaks." In time, the Wabanaki left Uktamkoo and divided into separate tribes and are today a part of the great Algonquin nation, but in the old days, only the Micmacs, Malicetes, Penobscots and Passamaquoddies, living in the eastern woodlands of Canada and the United States, were Glooskap's People. Gazing upon his handiwork, Glooskap was pleased and his shout of triumph made the tall pines bend like grass. He told the people he was their Great Chief and would rule them with love and justice. He taught them how to build birch bark wigwams and canoes, how to make weirs for catching fish, and how to identify plants useful in medicine. He taught them the names of all the Stars, who were his brothers. Then, from among them, he chose an elderly woman whom he called Noogumee, or grandmother, (a term of respect amongst Indians for any elderly female.) Noogumee was the Great Chief's housekeeper all her days. Now, finally, out of rocks and clay, Glooskap made the animals: Miko the squirrel, Team the moose, Mooin the bear, and many, many others. Malsum looked on enviously, thinking he too should have had a hand in creation. But he had not been given that power. He whispered an evil charm, and the remainder of the clay in Glooskap's hands twisted and fell to the ground in the form of a strange animal. This animal was not beaver, not badger, not wolverine, but something of all three, and capable of taking any of these forms he chose. "His name is Lox!" said Malsum triumphantly. "So be it," said Glooskap. "Let Lox live amongst us in peace, so long as he remains a friend." Yet he resolved to watch Lox closely, for he could read the heart and knew that Lox had Malsum's evil in him. Now Glooskap had made the animals all very large, most of them larger and stronger than man. Lox, the trouble maker, at once saw his chance to make mischief. He went in his wolverine body to Team the moose and admired his fine antlers, which reached up to the top of the tallest pine tree. "If you should ever meet a man," said Lox, "you could toss him on your horns up to the top of the world." Now Team, who was just a little bit stupid, went at once to Glooskap and said, "Please, Master, give me a man, so I can toss him on my horns up to the top of the world!" "I should say not!" cried Glooskap, and touched Team with his hand. The moose was suddenly the size he is today. Then Lox went in his badger form to the squirrel and said, "With that magnificent tail of yours, Miko, you could smash down every lodge in the village." "So I could," said Miko proudly, and with his great tail he swept the nearest wigwam right off the ground. But the Great Chief was near. He caught Miko up in his hand and stroked the squirrel's back until he was as small as he is today. "From now on," said his Master, "you will live in trees and keep your tail where it belongs." And since that time Miko the squirrel has carried his bushy tail on his back. Next, Lox put on his beaver shape and went to Mooin the bear, who was hardly any bigger than he is today, but had a much larger throat. "Mooin," said Lox slyly, "supposing you met a man, what would you do to him?" The bear scratched his head thoughtfully. "Eat him," he said at last, with a grin. " I'd swallow him whole!" And having said this, Mooin felt his throat begin to shrink. "From now on," said Glooskap sternly, "you may swallow only very small creatures." And today the bear, big as he is, eats only small animals, fish and wild berries. Now the Great Chief was greatly annoyed at the way his animals were behaving, and wondered if he should have made them. He summoned them all and gave them a solemn warning: "I have made you man's equal, but you wish to be his master. Take care, or he may become yours!" This did not worry the troublemaker Lox, who only resolved to be more cunning in the future. He knew very well that Malsum was jealous of Glooskap and wished to be lord of the Indians himself. He also knew that both brothers had magic powers and that neither could be killed except in one certain way. What that way was, each kept secret from all but the Stars, whom they trusted. Each sometimes talked in the starlight to the people of the Sky. "Little does Malsum know," said Glooskap to the Stars, "that I can never be killed except by the blow of a flowering rush." And not far off, Malsum boasted to those same Stars, "I am quite safe from Glooskap's power. I can do any thing I like, for nothing can harm me but the roots of a flowering fern." Now, alas, Lox was hidden close by and overheard both secrets. Seeing how he might turn this to his own advantage, he went to Malsum and said with a knowing smile, "What will you give me, Malsum, if I tell you Glooskap's secret?" "Anything you like," cried Malsum. "Quick, tell me!" "Nothing can hurt Glooskap save a flowering rush," said the traitor. "Now give me a pair of wings, like the pigeon, so I can fly." But Malsum laughed instead. "What need has a beaver of wings?" And kicking the troublemaker aside, he sped off to find a flowering rush. Lox picked himself up furiously and hurried to Glooscap. "Master!" he cried, "Malsum knows your secret and is about to kill you. If you would save yourself, know that only a fern root can destroy him!" Glooskap snatched up the nearest fern, root and all, and just in time: his evil brother was upon him, shouting his war cry. All of the animals (who were angry at Glooskap for reducing their size and power) cheered Malsum, but the Indians were afraid for their Master. Glooskap braced his feet against a cliff, and Malsum paused. For a moment, the two crouched face to face, waiting for the moment to strike. Then the wolf-like Malsum lunged at Glooskap's head. Twisting his body aside, the Great Chief flung his weapon. It went swift to its target, and Malsum leapt back, but too late. The fern root pierced his envious heart, and he died. Now the Indians rejoiced, and the animals crept sullenly away. Only Lox came to Glooskap, impudently. "I'll have my reward now, Master," he said, "a pair of wings, like the pigeon's." "Faithless creature!" Glooskap thundered, knowing full well who had betrayed him, "I made no such bargain. Be gone!" And he hurled stone after stone at the fleeing Lox. Where the stones fell (in Minas Basin) they turned into islands and are there still. And the banished Lox roams the world to this day, appealing to the evil in men's hearts and making trouble wherever he goes. Now Glooskap called his people around him and said, "I made the animals to be man's friends, but they have acted with selfishness and treachery. Hereafter, they shall be your servants and provide you with food and clothing." Then he showed the men how to make bows and arrows and stone tipped spears, and how to use them. He also showed the women how to scrape hides and turn them into clothing. "Now you have power over even the largest wild creatures," he said. "Yet I charge you to use this power gently. If you take more game than you need for food and clothing, or kill for the pleasure of killing, then you will be visited by a pitiless giant named Famine, and when he comes among men, they suffer hunger and die." The people readily promised to obey Glooskap in this, as in all things. But now, to their dismay, they saw Marten launch the Master's canoe and Noogumee entering it with Glooskap's household goods. Glooskap was leaving them! "I must dwell now in a separate place," said the Great Chief, "so that you, my people, will learn to stand alone, and become brave and resourceful. Nevertheless, I shall never be far from you, and whoever seeks me diligently in time of trouble will find me." Then, waving farewell to his sorrowful Wabanaki, Glooskap set off for the mainland. Rounding the southern tip of what is now Nova Scotia, the Great Chief paddled up the Bay of Fundy. In the distance, where the Bay narrows and the great tides of Fundy rush into Minas Basin, Glooskap saw a long purple headland .It looked like a moose swimming, with clouds for antlers, and he headed his canoe in that direction. Landing, he gazed at the slope of red sandstone, with its groves of green trees at the summit, and admired the amethysts encircling its base like a string of purple beads. "Here I shall build my lodge," said Glooskap, and he named the place Blomidon. Glooskap dwelt on Blomidon a very long time, and during that time did many wonderful things for his People. From the Archives of Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

What do you mean putting off asking? My father helps me with my research once a week. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:18:45 -0600 ADVICE TO LINDSEY AND OTHERS PUTTING OFF ASKING! I never gave genealogy and ancestors a thought until I began to read about different genealogy societies; but by then, my ancestors were all deceased, including my parents. I asked a few questions and got answers; unfortunately at the time, I didn't have pencil, paper or a recorder. At 74 +, I only learned within five yeas ago that my paternal Stone family dated back to a 1595 English birth and he was at Jamestown Colony, VA by 1620! My husband and our two older boys visited that "tourist trap" in Sept. 1957 to learn that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip would be visiting the next week, and they were "busy as beavers" - dress rehearsals, making sure everything was in the proper place. The only thing that has stayed with me 'til this day was seeing that guillotine "set up"; this to punish the charged person (mostly women!). . . .the men paid with their life for crimes against their neighbors (off with their heads!) and the replicas of the three ships of Columbus was at dock along the river - off limits except to photograph them! Our children's World Books have a photograph showing the Queen's visit, (celebrating the 350th anniversary of the settling of Jamestown), but the photo is small and in b & w. I have also learned that my paternal grandfather's maternal line of Wigginton's arrived in VA in 1655 and the first known marriage to a Cherokee woman is one Elizabeth Chapman in the 1700's - does anyone know if this is a Cherokee family name or someone's imagination? Sept. 1957 is the month and year when ferry crossings on the Chesapeake Bay from Norfolk, VA to the area near Alexandria, VA gave way to the Tunnel as a crossing! Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb >Hey Sparkle, >Well I know my Cobbs are on my father's side, my father's last name is >Avery. But I haven't yet traced that side back too far cause I've been >concentrating alot on my mother's rather MAMMOTH sized family ;). But >people in my father's family have done the research before and found the >Cobbs, so I can ask him and get back to you. > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> >Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:19:20 -0500 > >Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? > >Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > aka Sparkle > >"Those who do not look upon themselves as a link >connecting the past with the future do not perform >their duty to the world" Daniel Webster > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> >To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > > > > that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 > > > > 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. >I > > am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the >Ambrose > > COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica >(HUNT) > > COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of >Jamestown > > VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became >friends > > with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our >family > > among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose >ended > > up settling. > > > > Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and > > "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and > > "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree > > research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this > > Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so > > complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some >of > > them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of > > Reece/Reese. > > > > Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on > > them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we > > started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through > > Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. > > > > Back to making dinner. > > > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > > aka Sparkle > > > >==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. 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Hey Sparkle, Well I know my Cobbs are on my father's side, my father's last name is Avery. But I haven't yet traced that side back too far cause I've been concentrating alot on my mother's rather MAMMOTH sized family ;). But people in my father's family have done the research before and found the Cobbs, so I can ask him and get back to you. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:19:20 -0500 Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 > > 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. I > am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the Ambrose > COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica (HUNT) > COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of Jamestown > VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became friends > with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our family > among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose ended > up settling. > > Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and > "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and > "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree > research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this > Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so > complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some of > them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of > Reece/Reese. > > Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on > them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we > started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through > Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. > > Back to making dinner. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > aka Sparkle ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks Two Wolves Dancing, I hadn't thought about it that way before. The only problem with me using Cherokee medicine is no one has ever taught me. There's not too many people around where I live who use it. I'd love to learn it though, what do you recommend? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / KY, old time ways / medicines Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:17:52 -0500 Hi Lindsey, I am going to give you one piece of advise, take it or leave it... DO NOT MIX MEDICINES. If you are Cherokee, don't add this and that... it will only come to no good. I have heard this sage old advise from many, many Elders and Medicine People who are good at what they do. What you in essence are saying is that Cherokee Medicine is not that strong and that I have to supplement it with this or that. This is not a good idea. What you put out, will come back to you... good or bad. When I was helping my dad... I did Creek Medicine with him also, but not at the same time since dad was part Creek. I learned a few things from an old Creek-Muskogee Medicine Man. Dad had Creek, Muskogee, Cherokee, and Catawba... plus a few others from way back in his ancestral line. Creek, Muskogee, Cherokee, and Catawba are all from the Southeast and all have pretty much access to the same or very similar plants. I could use Medicines from any of these Tribes on dad as he had their blood flowing through his veins. I did some, but not at the same time. I read some research a long time ago that stated that doctors working on Native Americans found that their Native patients did much better when they also used Medicine from their Tribal affiliation in conjunction with modern medicines. Something to think about. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks / KY, old time ways > hehehe actually I know exactly what you're talking about, Sparkle. > I use my "feelings" most of the time to guide my decisions. They've kept me > out of a lot of trouble, and I usually get good warnings about things to > come in dreams or just feeling what I call "presense" that give me a "heads > up" about what's coming. I've even had some all out visions. My friends say > I have a "satellite dish". ;) I don't know much about the old ways > unfortunately. But I've got my own ways that seem to have come from > somewhere unknown, because no one else taught me anything. Course I've been > searching for the source of these experiences for years, never quite found > it. I've studied the Qabbalah, multiple pagan beliefs, Buddhism, Taoism, > ancient Sumerian and Japanese beliefs, and, though I've found similarities, > I still haven't quite found exactly the same thing as with me. > On the same note, since no one around me really believes in these things, > its hard when I get warnings about my friends or family and can't help them > because they won't listen. Like my fiance, he had a head on car accident > yesterday. I'd had a dream about it, and had been telling him something was > wrong with the way the car "felt" for days now. But people around me tend to > treat dreams, and premonitions about things like they aren't real. So > usually all I can do is watch the bad things happen. ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Lindsey, you stated, "But I haven't traced that side back too far" - - - - -. sorry. I do want those who have access to "every week-end" to realize those "now" sources can be snuffed out in a heart beat (I lost my dad in a door way, he went so fast! He turned the key in the front door lock of the business, crumpled to the ground dead in the partially opened door- this in the week ending the trip to Jamestown I mentioned below!). So, I never got the chance to ask him of the possiblilties that our ancestors had been at Jamestown, and I thought "that is/was" just history, and we are people who wasn't around "back then." We just never know! bsw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > What do you mean putting off asking? My father helps me with my research > once a week. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:18:45 -0600 > > ADVICE TO LINDSEY AND OTHERS PUTTING OFF ASKING! > I never gave genealogy and ancestors a thought until I began to read > about different genealogy societies; but by then, my ancestors were all > deceased, including my parents. I asked a few questions and got answers; > unfortunately at the time, I didn't have pencil, paper or a recorder. At > 74 +, I only learned within five yeas ago that my paternal Stone family > dated back to a 1595 English birth and he was at Jamestown Colony, VA by > 1620! My husband and our two older boys visited that "tourist trap" in > Sept. 1957 to learn that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip would be > visiting the next week, and they were "busy as beavers" - dress > rehearsals, making sure everything was in the proper place. The only > thing that has stayed with me 'til this day was seeing that guillotine > "set up"; this to punish the charged person (mostly women!). . . .the men > paid with their life for crimes against their neighbors (off with their > heads!) and the replicas of the three ships of Columbus was at dock along > the river - off limits except to photograph them! Our children's World > Books have a photograph showing the Queen's visit, (celebrating the 350th > anniversary of the settling of Jamestown), but the photo is small and in b > & w. I have also learned that my paternal grandfather's maternal line of > Wigginton's arrived in VA in 1655 and the first known marriage to a > Cherokee woman is one Elizabeth Chapman in the 1700's - does anyone know > if this is a Cherokee family name or someone's imagination? > Sept. 1957 is the month and year when ferry crossings on the Chesapeake > Bay from Norfolk, VA to the area near Alexandria, VA gave way to the > Tunnel as a crossing! > Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" > <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > > >>Hey Sparkle, >>Well I know my Cobbs are on my father's side, my father's last name is >>Avery. But I haven't yet traced that side back too far cause I've been >>concentrating alot on my mother's rather MAMMOTH sized family ;). But >>people in my father's family have done the research before and found the >>Cobbs, so I can ask him and get back to you. >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> >>Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb >>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:19:20 -0500 >> >>Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? >> >>Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer >> aka Sparkle >> >>"Those who do not look upon themselves as a link >>connecting the past with the future do not perform >>their duty to the world" Daniel Webster >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> >>To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb >> >> >> > that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. >> > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- >> > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> >> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb >> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 >> > >> > 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. >>I >> > am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the >>Ambrose >> > COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica >>(HUNT) >> > COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of >>Jamestown >> > VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became >>friends >> > with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our >>family >> > among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose >>ended >> > up settling. >> > >> > Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" >> > and >> > "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and >> > "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family >> > tree >> > research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this >> > Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so >> > complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because >> > some >>of >> > them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of >> > Reece/Reese. >> > >> > Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on >> > them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we >> > started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through >> > Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. >> > >> > Back to making dinner. >> > >> > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer >> > aka Sparkle >> >> >> >>==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >>==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== >> <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> >> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> >> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list >>ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

ADVICE TO LINDSEY AND OTHERS PUTTING OFF ASKING! I never gave genealogy and ancestors a thought until I began to read about different genealogy societies; but by then, my ancestors were all deceased, including my parents. I asked a few questions and got answers; unfortunately at the time, I didn't have pencil, paper or a recorder. At 74 +, I only learned within five yeas ago that my paternal Stone family dated back to a 1595 English birth and he was at Jamestown Colony, VA by 1620! My husband and our two older boys visited that "tourist trap" in Sept. 1957 to learn that Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip would be visiting the next week, and they were "busy as beavers" - dress rehearsals, making sure everything was in the proper place. The only thing that has stayed with me 'til this day was seeing that guillotine "set up"; this to punish the charged person (mostly women!). . . .the men paid with their life for crimes against their neighbors (off with their heads!) and the replicas of the three ships of Columbus was at dock along the river - off limits except to photograph them! Our children's World Books have a photograph showing the Queen's visit, (celebrating the 350th anniversary of the settling of Jamestown), but the photo is small and in b & w. I have also learned that my paternal grandfather's maternal line of Wigginton's arrived in VA in 1655 and the first known marriage to a Cherokee woman is one Elizabeth Chapman in the 1700's - does anyone know if this is a Cherokee family name or someone's imagination? Sept. 1957 is the month and year when ferry crossings on the Chesapeake Bay from Norfolk, VA to the area near Alexandria, VA gave way to the Tunnel as a crossing! Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > Hey Sparkle, > Well I know my Cobbs are on my father's side, my father's last name is > Avery. But I haven't yet traced that side back too far cause I've been > concentrating alot on my mother's rather MAMMOTH sized family ;). But > people in my father's family have done the research before and found the > Cobbs, so I can ask him and get back to you. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:19:20 -0500 > > Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > > > > that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 > > > > 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. > I > > am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the > Ambrose > > COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica > (HUNT) > > COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of > Jamestown > > VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became > friends > > with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our > family > > among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose > ended > > up settling. > > > > Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and > > "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and > > "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree > > research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this > > Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so > > complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some > of > > them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of > > Reece/Reese. > > > > Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on > > them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we > > started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through > > Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. > > > > Back to making dinner. > > > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > > aka Sparkle > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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I never answered you either Dolores. My Cobb connections are via my gg aunt, Ellen Toomey who m. Jos Cobb in Monroe Co, TN. They are interred in McMinn Co, TN Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobbs, Cobb > Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > aka Sparkle > > "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link > connecting the past with the future do not perform > their duty to the world" Daniel Webster > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> > To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > > >> that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> >> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb >> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 >> >> 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. >> I >> am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the > Ambrose >> COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica > (HUNT) >> COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of >> Jamestown >> VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became > friends >> with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our > family >> among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose > ended >> up settling. >> >> Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and >> "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and >> "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree >> research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this >> Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so >> complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some > of >> them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of >> Reece/Reese. >> >> Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on >> them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we >> started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through >> Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. >> >> Back to making dinner. >> >> Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer >> aka Sparkle > > > > ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== > <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> > <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> > Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list > ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 3/13/2006 > >

Glooscap - Micmac After the Micmac world was created and after the animals, birds and plants were placed on the surface, Gisoolg caused a bolt of lightening to hit the surface of Ootsitgamoo. This bolt of lightning caused the formation of an image of a human body shaped out of sand. It was Glooscap who was first shaped out of the basic element of the Micmac world, sand. Gisoolg unleashed another bolt of lightening which gave life to Glooscap but yet he could not move. He was stuck to the ground only to watch the world go by and Nisgam travel across the sky everyday. Glooscap watched the animals, the birds and the plants grow and pass around him. He asked Nisgam to give him freedom to move about the Micmac world. While Glooscap was still unable to move, he was lying on his back. His head was facing the direction of the rising sun, east, Oetjgoabaniag or Oetjibanoog. In Micmac these words mean "where the sun comes up " and "where the summer weather comes from" respectively. His feet were in the direction of the setting sun or Oetgatsenoog. Other Micmac words for the west are Oeloesenoog, "where the sun settles into a hallow" or Etgesnoog "where the cold winds come from". Glooscap's right hand was pointed in the direction of the north or Oatnoog. His left hand was in the direction of the south or Opgoetasnoog. So it was the third big blast of lightening that caused Glooscap to become free and to be able to stand on the surface of the earth. After Glooscap stood up on his feet, he turned around in a full circle seven times. He then looked toward the sky and gave thanks to Gisoolg for giving him life. He looked down to the earth or the ground and gave thanks to Ootsigamoo for offering its sand for Glooscap's creation. He looked within himself and gave thanks to Nisgam for giving him his soul and spirit. Glooscap then gave thanks to the four directions east, north, west and south. In all he gave his heartfelt thanks to the seven directions. Glooscap then traveled to the direction of the setting sun until he came to the ocean. He then went south until the land narrowed and he came to the ocean. He then went south until the land narrowed and he could see two oceans on either side. He again traveled back to where he started from and continued towards the north to the land of ice and snow. Later he came back to the east where he decided to stay. It is where he came into existence. He again watched the animals, the birds and the plants. He watched the water and the sky. Gisoolg taught him to watch and learn about the world. Glooscap watched but he could not disturb the world around him. He finally asked Gisoolg and Nisgam, what was the purpose of his existence. He was told that he would meet someone soon. NOGAMI One day when Glooscap was traveling in the east he came upon a very old woman. Glooscap asked the old woman how she arrived to the Micmac world. The old woman introduced herself as Nogami. She said to Glooscap, "I am your grandmother". Nogami said that she owes her existence to the rock, the dew and Nisgam, the Sun. She went on to explain that on one chilly morning a rock became covered with dew because it was sitting in a low valley. By midday when the sun was most powerful, the rock got warm and then hot. With the power of Nisgam, the sun, Gisoolg's helper, the rock was given a body of an old woman. This old woman was Nogami, Glooscap's grandmother. Nogami told Glooscap that she come to the Micmac world as an old woman, already very wise and knowledgeable. She further explained that Glooscap would gain spiritual strength by listening to and having great respect for his grandmother. Glooscap was so glad for his grandmother's arrival to the Micmac world he called upon Abistanooj, a marten swimming in the river, to come ashore. Abistanooj did what Glooscap had asked him to do. Abistanooj came to the shore where Glooscap and Nogami were standing. Glooscap asked Abistanooj to give up his life so that he and his grandmother could live. Abistanooj agreed. Nogami then took Abistanooj and quickly snapped his neck. She placed him on the ground. Glooscap for the first time asked Gisoolg to use his power to give life back to Abistanooj because he did not want to be in disfavor with the animals. Because of marten's sacrifice, Glooscap referred to all the animals as his brothers and sisters from that point on. Nogami added that the animals will always be in the world to provide food, clothing, tools, and shelter. Abistanooj went back to the river and in his place lay another marten. Glooscap and Abistanooj will become friends and brothers forever. Nogami cleaned the animal to get it ready for eating. She gathered the still hot sparks for the lightening which hit the ground when Glooscap was given life. She placed dry wood over the coals to make a fire. This fire became the Great Spirit Fire and later go to be known as the Great Council Fire. The first feast of meat was cooked over the Great Fire, or Ekjibuctou. Glooscap relied on his grandmother for her survival, her knowledge and her wisdom. Since Nogami was old and wise, Glooscap learned to respect her for her knowledge. They learned to respect each other for their continued interdependence and continued existence. NETAOANSOM One day when Glooscap and Nogami were walking along in the woods, they came upon a young man. This young man looked very strong because he was tall and physically big. He had grey colored eyes. Glooscap asked the young man his name and how he arrived to the Micmac world. The young man introduced himself. He told Glooscap that his name is Netaoansom and that he is Glooscap's sister's son. In other words, his nephew. He told Glooscap that he is physically strong and that they could all live comfortably. Netaoansom could run after moose, deer and caribou and bring them down with his bare hands. He was so strong. Netaoansom said that while the east wind was blowing so hard it caused the waters of the ocean to become rough and foamy. This foam got blown to the shore on the sandy beach and finally rested on the tall grass. This tall grass is sweet grass. Its fragrance was sweet. The sweet grass held onto the foam until Nisgam, the Sun, was high in the midday sky. Nisgam gave Netaoansom spiritual and physical strength in a human body. Gisoolg told Glooscap that if he relied on the strength and power of his nephew he would gain strength and understanding of the world around him. Glooscap was so glad for his nephew's arrival to the Micmac world, he called upon the salmon of the rivers and seas to come to shore and give up their lives. The reason for this is that Glooscap, Netoansom and Nogami did not want to kill all the animals for their survival. So in celebration of his nephew's arrival, they all had a feast of fish. They all gave thanks for their existence. They continued to rely on their brothers and sisters of the woods and waters. They relied on each other for their survival. NEGANOGONIMGOSSEESGO While Glooscap was sitting near a fire, Nogam was making clothing out of animal hides and Netaoansom was in the woods getting food. A woman came to the fire and sat beside Glooscap. She put her arms around Glooscap and asked "Are you cold my son?" Glooscap was surprised he stood up and asked the woman who she is and where did she come from. She explained that she was Glooscap's mother. Her name is Neganogonimgooseesgo. Glooscap waited until his grandmother and nephew returned to the fire then he asked his mother to explain how she arrived to the Micmac world. Neganogonimgooseesgo said that she was a leaf on a tree which fell to the ground. Morning dew formed on the leaf and glistened while the sun, Nisgam, began its journey towards the midday sky. It was at midday when Nisgam gave life and a human form to Glooscap's mother. The spirit and strength of Nisgam entered into Glooscap's mother. Glooscap's mother said that she brings all the colors of the world to her children. She also brings strength and understanding. Strength to withstand earth's natural forces and understanding of the Micmac world; its animals and her children, the Micmac. She told them that they will need understanding and co-operation so they all can live in peace with one another. Glooscap was so happy that his mother came into the world and since she came from a leaf, he called upon his nephew to gather nuts, fruits of the plants while Nogami prepared a feast. Glooscap gave thanks to Gisoolg, Nisgam, Ootsitgamoo, Nogami, Netaoansom and Neganogonimgooseesgo. They all had a feast in honor of Glooscap's mother's arrival to the world of Mik'Maqs. The story goes on to say that Glooscap, the man created from the sand of the earth, continued to live with his family for a very long time. He gained spiritual strength by having respect for each member of the family. He listened to his grandmother' s wisdom. He relied on his nephew' s strength and spiritual power. His mother' s love and understanding gave him dignity and respect. Glooscap' s brothers and sisters of the wood and waters gave him the will and the food to survive. Glooscap now learned that mutual respect of his family and the world around him was a key ingredient for basic survival. Glooscap's task was to pass this knowledge to his fellow Micmac people so that they too could survive in the Micmac world. This is why Glooscap became a central figure in Micmac story telling. One day when Glooscap was talking to Nogami he told her that soon they would leave his mother and nephew. He told her that they should prepare for that occasion. Nogami began to get all the necessary things ready for a long journey to the North. When everyone was sitting around the Great Fire one evening, Glooscap told his mother and nephew that he and Nogami are going to leave the Micmac world. He said that they will travel in the direction of the North only to return if the Micmac people were in danger. Glooscap told his mother and nephew to look after the Great Fire and never to let it go out. After the passing of seven winters, "elwigneg daasiboongeg", seven sparks will fly from the fire and when they land on the ground seven people will come to life. Seven more sparks will land on the ground and seven more people will come into existence. From these sparks will form seven women and seven men. They will form seven families. These seven families will disperse into seven different directions from the area of the Great Fire. Glooscap said that once the seven families their place of destination, they will further divide into seven groups. Each group will have their own area for their subsistence so they would not disturb the other groups. He instructed his mother that the smaller groups would share the earth's abundance of resources which included animals, plants and fellow humans. Glooscap told his mother that after the passing of seven winters, each of the seven groups would return to the place of the Great Fire. At the place of the fire all the people will dance, sing and drum in celebration of their continued existence in the Micmac world. Glooscap continued by saying that the Great Fire signified the power of the Great Spirit Creator, Gisoolg. It also signified the power and strength of the light and heat of Nisgam, the sun. The Great Fire held the strength of Ootsitgamoo the earth. Finally the fire represented the bolt of lightening which hit the earth from which Glooscap was created. The fire is very sacred to the Mik'Maqs. It is the most powerful spirit on earth. Glooscap told his mother and nephew that it is important for the Micmac to give honor, respect and thanks to the seven spiritual elements. The fire signifies the first four stages of creation, Gisoolg, Nisgam, Oositgamoo and Glooscap. Fire plays a significant role in the last three stages as it represents the power of the sun, Nisgam. In honor of Nogamits arrival to the Micmac world, Glooscap instructed his mother that seven, fourteen and twenty-one rocks would have to be heated over the Great Fire. These heated rocks will be placed inside a wigwam covered with hides of moose and caribou or with mud. The door must face the direction of the rising sun. There should be room from seven men to sit comfortably around a pit dug In the centre where up to twenty-one rocks could be placed. Seven alders, seven wild willows and seven beech saplings will be used to make the frame of the lodge. This lodge should be covered with the hides of moose, caribou, deer or mud. Seven men representing the seven original families will enter into the lodge. They will give thanks and honor to the seven directions, the seven stages of creation and to continue to live in good health. The men will pour water over the rocks causing steam to rise in the lodge to become very hot. The men will begin to sweat up to point that it will become almost unbearable. Only those who believe in the spiritual strength will be able to withstand the heat. Then they will all come out of the lodge full of steam and shining like new born babies. This is the way they will clean their spirits and should honor Nogami's arrival. In preparation of the sweat, the seven men will not eat any food for seven days. They will only drink the water of golden roots and bees nectar. Before entering the sweat the seven men will burn the sweet grass. They will honor the seven directions and the seven stages of creation but mostly for Netawansom's arrival to the Micmac world. The sweet grass must be lit from the Great Fire. Glooscap's mother came into the world from the leaf of a tree, so in honor of her arrival tobacco made from bark and leaves will be smoked. The tobacco will be smoked in pipe made from a branch of a tree and a bowl made from stone. The pipe will be lit from sweet grass which was lit from the Great Fire. The tobacco made from bark, leaves and sweet grass represents Glooscap's grandmother, nephew and mother. The tobacco called "spebaggan" will be smoked and the smoke will be blown in seven directions. After honoring Nogami's arrival the Micmac shall have a feast or meal. In honor of Netawansom they will eat fish. The fruits and roots of the trees and plants will be eaten to honor Glooscap's mother. Glooscap's final instruction to his mother told her how to collect and prepare medicine from the barks and roots of seven different kinds of plant. The seven plants together make what is called "ektjimpisun". It will cure mostly every kind of illness in the Micmac world. The ingredients of this medicine are: "wikpe"(alum willow), "waqwonuminokse"(wild black- cherry), "Kastuk"(ground hemlock), and "kowotmonokse"(red spruce). The Micmac people are divided into seven distinct areas which are as follows: 1.Gespegiag 2.Sigenitog 3.Epeggoitg a, Pigtog 4.Gespogoitg 5.Segepenegatig 6.Esgigiag 7.Onamagig From the archives Blue Panther Keeper of Stories.

Hey, your welcome. Everyone else can use these as searches as guidelines to see how to look for the same info, just differently. And, remember this.... you will get different search results from "McNeill" as from "Mc Neill"... go figure. So try it both ways. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /.../ Little Carpenter, Dragging C... > Thanks Dolores, > I appreciate your suggestions and guidance. > Kevin

Hi Lindsey... please share your COBB/COBBS with me? Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> > Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 > > 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. I > am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the Ambrose > COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica (HUNT) > COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of Jamestown > VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became friends > with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our family > among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose ended > up settling. > > Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and > "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and > "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree > research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this > Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so > complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some of > them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of > Reece/Reese. > > Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on > them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we > started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through > Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. > > Back to making dinner. > > Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer > aka Sparkle

Hi Lindsey, I am going to give you one piece of advise, take it or leave it... DO NOT MIX MEDICINES. If you are Cherokee, don't add this and that... it will only come to no good. I have heard this sage old advise from many, many Elders and Medicine People who are good at what they do. What you in essence are saying is that Cherokee Medicine is not that strong and that I have to supplement it with this or that. This is not a good idea. What you put out, will come back to you... good or bad. When I was helping my dad... I did Creek Medicine with him also, but not at the same time since dad was part Creek. I learned a few things from an old Creek-Muskogee Medicine Man. Dad had Creek, Muskogee, Cherokee, and Catawba... plus a few others from way back in his ancestral line. Creek, Muskogee, Cherokee, and Catawba are all from the Southeast and all have pretty much access to the same or very similar plants. I could use Medicines from any of these Tribes on dad as he had their blood flowing through his veins. I did some, but not at the same time. I read some research a long time ago that stated that doctors working on Native Americans found that their Native patients did much better when they also used Medicine from their Tribal affiliation in conjunction with modern medicines. Something to think about. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsey Avery" <anathema_studio@hotmail.com> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks / KY, old time ways > hehehe actually I know exactly what you're talking about, Sparkle. > I use my "feelings" most of the time to guide my decisions. They've kept me > out of a lot of trouble, and I usually get good warnings about things to > come in dreams or just feeling what I call "presense" that give me a "heads > up" about what's coming. I've even had some all out visions. My friends say > I have a "satellite dish". ;) I don't know much about the old ways > unfortunately. But I've got my own ways that seem to have come from > somewhere unknown, because no one else taught me anything. Course I've been > searching for the source of these experiences for years, never quite found > it. I've studied the Qabbalah, multiple pagan beliefs, Buddhism, Taoism, > ancient Sumerian and Japanese beliefs, and, though I've found similarities, > I still haven't quite found exactly the same thing as with me. > On the same note, since no one around me really believes in these things, > its hard when I get warnings about my friends or family and can't help them > because they won't listen. Like my fiance, he had a head on car accident > yesterday. I'd had a dream about it, and had been telling him something was > wrong with the way the car "felt" for days now. But people around me tend to > treat dreams, and premonitions about things like they aren't real. So > usually all I can do is watch the bad things happen.

Thanks Dolores, I appreciate your suggestions and guidance. Kevin In a message dated 3/15/2006 5:53:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, twowolvesdancing@comcast.net writes: Hi Kevin... forgot these... http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+Thomas+Brown%22,+canoe&hl=en&lr=&rls= GGLG,GGLG:2006-04,GGLG:en&filter=0 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-04%2CGGLG%3Aen &q=%22John+Brown%22%2C+Canoot&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+Brown%22,+Canut&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG,GG LG:2006-04,GGLG:en&filter=0 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+Brown%22,+Sarah+Canut&hl=en&lr=&rls=G GLG,GGLG:2006-04,GGLG:en&filter=0 Tips: Don't forget to try all different kinds of combinations, including misspellings, with and without middle names, and or middle initials. Hope this helps. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle

that's weird, I also have Cobb going back aways. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "TwoWolvesDancing" <twowolvesdancing@comcast.net> Reply-To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com To: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY /... / Reece /Cobb Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:28 -0500 'Siyo Joyce. I sure am... probably posted on most, if not all of them. I am a COBB by dad. So, what COBB doe you hale from? I am out of the Ambrose COBBS of Kent England and VA line. And, Ambrose's mother - Angelica (HUNT) COBBS' brother was the Right Rev. Robert HUNT... first rector of Jamestown VA. He baptized Pocahontas and the COBBS and elated families became friends with Pocahontas and other Powhatans and that friendship protected our family among the Indians of both Jamestown and Williamsburg... where Ambrose ended up settling. Have you done a google search on "Charles Reece" and "Charles Reese" and "Charles Hunter"... must use quotes. Then try under "Hunter Reece" and "Hunter Reese". My soon-to-be-ex stole my PC with all of my family tree research on it to be mean so I can't give you what me and this Charles/Hunter Reece/Reese descendent sent me. What makes this so complicated is that she comes through the surname of HUNTER because some of them preferred the HUNTER name instead of the Christian surname of Reece/Reese. Check the Reece, Reese, and Hunter lists to see if I posted her info on them... I may have done that years back. I met her back in 2001 and we started helping each other out. Look for my name. We connect through Oconostota... me through one wife and she through another. Back to making dinner. Dolores 'TwoWolvesDancing' (Cobb) Phifer aka Sparkle "Those who do not look upon themselves as a link connecting the past with the future do not perform their duty to the world" Daniel Webster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] No Indians in KY / Shawnees, Miquons, Susquehannas, Susquehannocks > I wish we knew. I'm aware of Charles, Susannah and the other Reeces > involved in the Chickamauga area but got no idea which line of Reece's they > are. Research is still being worked on as James, b 1832 still has no > traceable father. I haven't found anyone yet who can give me the lineage of > Charles Reece and I haven't done a lot of research on it. I tend to spread > myself too thin. > Aren't you on the Cobb list? > Enjoy your tea. Pine needles have the properties of turpentine, which has > long been a home remedy for sore throat and congestion. Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CHEROKEE Mailing List ==== <<>OPEN forum to all Cherokee topics - except Genealogy<>> <>Culture-History-Language-Folk lore and Truths<> Good Manners & Language is required to be on the list ALL the links you will need to sub and unsub or contact listowner below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CHEROKEE.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx