Dan, Do you know if perhaps the paintings were ever published in any magazine or book ? I pray his paintings are NOT lost ~! That would be a massive tragedy ~ I'll search some more. Thanks for your input Dan. Appreciate it ~ Ang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danm" <[email protected]> > Sidney Nesbit late 1800, he was 90 in 1957 . > I knew him, saw the paintings but I don't know where they are now. > I tried google and got nothing artist that used to sketch/draw and / or paint -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 10771 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I think they were willed to the Smithsonian. He lived in Livingston Mont last time I painted his house. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Trout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Artists that sketched or painted Cherokee > Dan, > Do you know if perhaps the paintings were ever published in any magazine > or > book ? > > I pray his paintings are NOT lost ~! That would be a massive tragedy ~ > > I'll search some more. > Thanks for your input Dan. Appreciate it ~ > Ang > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danm" <[email protected]> > >> Sidney Nesbit late 1800, he was 90 in 1957 . >> I knew him, saw the paintings but I don't know where they are now. >> I tried google and got nothing > artist that used to sketch/draw and / or paint > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 10771 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of an artist that used to sketch/draw and / or paint Cherokee people ? >From about the 1700-'s to the late 1800's ..... Thanks ~ Angie Trout & the Labradors of Wetherwell www.geocities.com/wetherwell "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." ~ Mark Twain -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 10761 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Sidney Nesbit late 1800, he was 90 in 1957 . I knew him, saw the paintings but I don't know where they are now. I tried google and got nothing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Trout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Artists that sketched or painted Cherokee > Does anyone know of an artist that used to sketch/draw and / or paint > Cherokee people ? >>From about the 1700-'s to the late 1800's ..... > Thanks ~ > > Angie Trout & the Labradors of Wetherwell > www.geocities.com/wetherwell > "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people > always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can > become great." ~ Mark Twain > >

Type O here too. You are right about there constantly being a new theory, and I too regaurd it all with caution and suspicion-if you don't you'll never get to the "truth" so to speak. I'm not a huge fan of radio carbon dating being an absolute either, because it has been found that different environmental factors can have an effect on it. It is good to think about things though, and the more people who think, the more ideas are generated, and hopefully one of those ideas will prove itself. From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:54:18 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Creation Story > > Yeah, another thought, Seems by the time we get used to one thought they > come up with a new one. > I never voice a belief on any thing because it changes and I hate to have > to change my mind all the time, so I take it as controversial so far. > I just post a few things I see as some folks would not have the > opportunity to see them. > I have type O . > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rana Griffith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Creation Story > > > > > > Neat article! I wonder if the canine/fox feces could be present with the > > human feces because even back then they had been domesticated and were > > living with the humans as companions? > > As for Cherokee and tribes being of Asian origins, a long time ago, I > > wrote a paper for a college course about blood type and race. If I recall > > correctly, one of the things I discovered during my research was that type > > O blood was the predominant blood type among South Americans and > > Indians-with the exception of the Blackfoot who were predominately type A. > > Types AB, A, and B were predominate in Europe. There are some maps online > > that show blood type distribution. > > http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/vary_3.htm I'm not sure what this means > > concerning the origin of Indians, Just another thought for whatever it's > > worth. > > ============>> > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I just recently went to an Indian PowWow at the Woodland Zoo in Farmington, PA and I bought a small book by Edward S. Curtis who did portraits of unusual depth in both word and image, visual and spiritual portrayals of the community, individuality, and human nature of Native Americans. There are actual quotes of wisdom from some Native American Indians and lists the name that gives this quote. Tonya Luckey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Trout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Artists that sketched or painted Cherokee > Does anyone know of an artist that used to sketch/draw and / or paint Cherokee people ? > >From about the 1700-'s to the late 1800's ..... > Thanks ~ > > Angie Trout & the Labradors of Wetherwell > www.geocities.com/wetherwell > "Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." ~ Mark Twain > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 10761 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, and to compare this site with the last one that is ongoing now. http://www.physorg.com/news154784759.html this one is in Colorado and has similar items and stone tools with a video, claims the same general dates as the last one I sent but maybe just a little older, but are claiming Clovis and not NA. Got to remember these are 2 sets of People but only one set is Human the NA. There are folks really deep in these topics, got to remember, this is all new to me so I am just sharing as I learn. I actually have found some stone things and a bison here on my place that are going to be checked out soon I have told the archeologist and already had one look over the section. SO they are making plans when to do further checking. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rana Griffith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Creation Story > > Type O here too. You are right about there constantly being a new theory, > and I too regaurd it all with caution and suspicion-if you don't you'll > never get to the "truth" so to speak. I'm not a huge fan of radio carbon > dating being an absolute either, because it has been found that different > environmental factors can have an effect on it. It is good to think about > things though, and the more people who think, the more ideas are > generated, and hopefully one of those ideas will prove itself. =============>>>

Yeah, another thought, Seems by the time we get used to one thought they come up with a new one. I never voice a belief on any thing because it changes and I hate to have to change my mind all the time, so I take it as controversial so far. I just post a few things I see as some folks would not have the opportunity to see them. I have type O . Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rana Griffith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Creation Story > > Neat article! I wonder if the canine/fox feces could be present with the > human feces because even back then they had been domesticated and were > living with the humans as companions? > As for Cherokee and tribes being of Asian origins, a long time ago, I > wrote a paper for a college course about blood type and race. If I recall > correctly, one of the things I discovered during my research was that type > O blood was the predominant blood type among South Americans and > Indians-with the exception of the Blackfoot who were predominately type A. > Types AB, A, and B were predominate in Europe. There are some maps online > that show blood type distribution. > http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/vary_3.htm I'm not sure what this means > concerning the origin of Indians, Just another thought for whatever it's > worth. ============>>

Neat article! I wonder if the canine/fox feces could be present with the human feces because even back then they had been domesticated and were living with the humans as companions? As for Cherokee and tribes being of Asian origins, a long time ago, I wrote a paper for a college course about blood type and race. If I recall correctly, one of the things I discovered during my research was that type O blood was the predominant blood type among South Americans and Indians-with the exception of the Blackfoot who were predominately type A. Types AB, A, and B were predominate in Europe. There are some maps online that show blood type distribution. http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/vary_3.htm I'm not sure what this means concerning the origin of Indians, Just another thought for whatever it's worth. From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:29:13 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Creation Story > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89355318 > > This is going on today, as all month next month. > The new special study of these caves. > > This could follow down the west coast, south America, back up the other > side, under America to Florida well you know the coast lines. > And all the way from Ethiopia? > Cherokee are Asian?> > > > Ok > home work any one. > got to get folks busy here <G> > Dan M > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89355318 This is going on today, as all month next month. The new special study of these caves. This could follow down the west coast, south America, back up the other side, under America to Florida well you know the coast lines. And all the way from Ethiopia? Cherokee are Asian?> Ok home work any one. got to get folks busy here <G> Dan M

AHO!* ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > aho! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danm" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > > >> It would help if people who know more would talk. >> But it seems the Cherokee enjoy living in secrecy. >> Dan M >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Price" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members >> >> >>> Dear Dan >>> I try to monitor this for info about Cherokee roots, so sorry for not >>> participating as much. >>> I do enjoy the stories. >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

aho! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > It would help if people who know more would talk. > But it seems the Cherokee enjoy living in secrecy. > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Price" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Members > > >> Dear Dan >> I try to monitor this for info about Cherokee roots, so sorry for not >> participating as much. >> I do enjoy the stories. > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Agreed , this is an ongoing study and to come to any type of standstill on any thing just yet is like counting the vote before any one voted. I wont contest any ones opinions because I am in the same stage of thinking. As for now it says "could have been" the earliest people. SO I am going to stay stuck on * could be * this or that for now. But here is another loop to the science - _ Clovis were people_ "not humans" _stools found were humans dated to approx 14.500 years quoted from Denmark DNA experts. So these tests were not done in the US, but they favor the Native Americans as the first ( humans) in the country. Now as to the way people got here, one theory is good as another since we really don't know and may never know for sure, I will submit my own theory since I have no belief those who came here crossed some 30 miles of ocean not even knowing where to go and you cant see 30 miles. Unless they been there before and already knew how to get there they learned like we did. Now as to following the coast, I think a large amount of those who got here were already followers of the coast as a way of life. Now if you realize, we had lots of land under water or glaciers - do it could have been that this part of Oregon at that time was an oasis of plants, water, rain, animals so big they had not shortage of food. So ok what ever dates that is decided on as per one wave to another of people-or-humans that came here we have yet to see absolute proof. I was taught - people who made, fire, tools, hunted, made canoes and other things were not humans, that came with the wave of the NA, that tested before Clovis, it is possible the 2 cultures did not live well together. Well any how, I dream a lot and that mine, next <G>:) Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Ancient One > > Hi Dan, > > Just catching up on some e-mails after a trip to Arizona. My husband is > Cherokee but I am E Delaware. > > I agree with your migration theory to a point. Many scientists think > people migrated to the Americas across the Bering Land Bridge thousands of > years ago from Asia rather than Europe. The physical characteristics are > more Asian than European. (However, they believe if you go back far enough > everyone had the same mother!) > > The Clovis were thought to be the ancestors of most Native Americans > before they branched off into more localized groups or tribes. This is now > being contested. > > My personal opinion is the Clovis culture either came in? a secondary > migration across the land bridge or were a culture descended from earlier > immigrants.?I believe people have been in the Americas much longer than > the majority of scientists have been willing to conjecture. There have > been several "ice ages" and the land bridge would most likely have been > there at those earlier?times as well. I suspect people have been in the > Americas more like 30 or 40 thousand years rather than the 11 or 12 of the > Clovis. > > Personally, I think there were successive migrations. I think those that > crossed the land bridge?(and their descendants) followed a path down the > West coast?until they were past the ice and then spread gradually across > the continent going East as well as South (not S to South America and back > up the east coast). I believe there were also some?arrivals across the > oceans to both North and South America. > > There is too much evidence arising now that doesn't match previous > theories.?? > > Robbie > > ~Original Message~ > > > > For those who hate the Euro, think about a time line. Natives came from > Euro and those who stayed there and then came later were just advanced > Euro of the same people? True or false? > > My theory is the people walked along the coasts, as they found the way > here was not intentional, they just followed > the coast as in those days the lands were connected and they came along, > followed through the glaciers, S, > continued, all the way to S tip of SA and back up the other side and > around TX, to FL and up the E coast. > ( possible ) ?maybe, maybe not. Were the Cherokee here before the Clovis? > Not likely. > > Theory - for conversations. > > With ut it there is nothing to talk about. > > Who was here first - possibly the Euro? > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FINGER WEAVING MATERIALS NEEDED TO MAKE A LEG TIE: To start you will need two different colors of wool yarn to work with. Two four inch long bamboo sticks like the ones you make kabob on. A tape measure to use for measuring the yarn pieces. Four very small rubbers band. You will need a pair of scissors to cut the yarn with. Measure your one color of yarn 36 inches long and make 12 of them. Now make 8 pieces of the other color 36 inches long. You should have 20 strands of yarn. Wind a rubber band around the end of each stick. Make sure you do both ends of each stick. SET UP Split your yarn into two different piles. Each pile should have six of one color and four of the other a total of ten. Take one pile of yarn and make sure all the ends are together so as to have 10 ends in your hand. Now find the middle of your yarn strands and lay something across the strands to mark it. Cut a piece of yarn five inches long. Where you have the yarn strands marked wrap your short piece around twice and then tie in a double knot. Now do the same with the other pile. The order that the strands will be placed on both the sticks is 3 of one color-4 of the other color-and 3 of the first color. You will start your work on the stick about 2 inches from where you have it tied. Using one stick and one pile of yarn you are going to wrap each strand of yarn around the stick just once going under the stick, up and over, to the left of where you started, and down the back side and let it hang down. Do this for each of the ten strands on the BOTTOM row. You will use the other stick and wrap the yarn once around going over the top of the stick, down and around, up over the back, to the left of where you started and then let it hang down. Do this for each of the ten strands on the TOP row. You can tell the difference because the bottom row the strands go under the stick and the top row the strands go over the stick. Cut another piece of your extra yarn about two feet long. Have your bottom row of strands in your left hand so the strands hang down so that the stick is going up your palm toward your fingertips. The strands should be hanging on both sides of your hand. Now place the top row over the one in your left hand in the same way. Take your right hand and rubber band the two sticks together at both ends. Gather all the strands, above the two sticks, hanging over the top of your hand, and tie them tightly together with a double knot. Now you will anchor this to the back of a chair or something that will not move with the short piece you just tied in the middle. WEAVING RULES The weaving goes from the right to the left. Always take the furthest strand to the right through the middle of the top and bottom rows. Always start your weaving by bringing up the furthest to the right strand from the bottom row. The next strand goes down from the top. When you have worked through the row the strand you brought through is always going down. HOW TO BEGIN WEAVING Hold your work in your left hand about 3 inches from where you are working. Place the bottom strands between the first and middle finger. The top row strands are held between the first finger and the thumb. Now take the first strand of yarn, which should be on the top row, through the middle of the top and bottom row and tie it in a loose knot on your stick. You are now going to weave by taking the bottom strand furthest to the right into your right hand. Next you will take the furthest to your right strand from the top row and let it drop down. Now you will take the furthest to you right strand on the bottom row and hold it in your hand so now you have two. Continue this across the row till you have ten in your hand and nine hanging over the back of your hand, Untie the one you have wrapped around your stick and it goes down. Make sure your work is neat. You will learn how to use tension to keep the edge even and good looking. Tighten you weaving up close to the strand that you pulled through by pulling the top strands up and the bottom strands down. You have now completed your first row of weaving. Continue doing this until you are about four inches from the end of your work. NEXT STEP Start on the left and take one strand from the bottom and one from the top and tie it in a double knot up next to where your weaving stopped. Do this all the way across. Go back to the left side and start braiding the ends three strands at a time and putting a knot at the end of each braid. One of the braids will have four strands in it and you decide which one you want to put it in. TURN AROUND TIME It is time to untie your work from where ever you have it anchored and to carefully cut the yarn you bound the strands together with. Now anchor your leg tie by the finished end by tying a piece of yarn about two inches down on your weaving. Make sure that you are holding onto your leg tie so that you will be working from right to left, and that the farthest strand to the right is on the top row. Repetition here will be helpful. Make sure the bottom strands are between your first finger and your middle finger of your left hand. Have the top strands on top of your first finger and hold them with your thumb. Remove the rubber band off the ends of the sticks. Now for the magic act, you will pull that sticks out as you do not want them as a permanent part of your leg tie. Now you can start to weave again from right to left and you have all the directions you need for that. Just a few final words: Try to make sure your strands stay in the right order and you will be very successful. As we are made in our creators image and we do not want to try to out do him. It is important that everything we make have a mistake in it to show respect for he who made us. PLEASE remember that the only stupid question is the one you do not ask. NEVER under estimate or prejudge anyone's ability to do anything. POSITIVE thinking WILL bring positive results. Have lots of fun and relax. I am learning disabled and was able to learn how and I can do it with my eyes closed...now. Love to all and here is a big hug Little Mother Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/

Aztec Creation Story The mother of the Aztec creation story was called "Coatlique", the Lady of the Skirt of Snakes. She was created in the image of the unknown, decorated with skulls, snakes, and lacerated hands. There are no cracks in her body and she is a perfect monolith (a totality of intensity and self-containment, yet her features were square and decapitated). Coatlique was first impregnated by an obsidian knife and gave birth to Coyolxanuhqui, goddess of the moon, and to a group of male offspring, who became the stars. Then one day Coatlique found a ball of feathers, which she tucked into her bosom. When she looked for it later, it was gone, at which time she realized that she was again pregnant. Her children, the moon and stars did not believe her story. Ashamed of their mother, they resolved to kill her. A goddess could only give birth once, to the original litter of divinity and no more. During the time that they were plotting her demise, Coatlicue gave birth to the fiery god of war, Huitzilopochtli. With the help of a fire serpent, he destroyed his brothers and sister, murdering them in a rage. He beheaded Coyolxauhqui and threw her body into a deep gorge in a mountain, where it lies dismembered forever. The natural cosmos of the Indians was born of catastrophe. The heavens literally crumbled to pieces. The earth mother fell and was fertilized, while her children were torn apart by fratricide and them scattered and disjointed throughout the universe. Ometecuhlti and his wife Omecihuatl created all life in the world. Their sons: Xipe Totec - The Lord of the Springtime Huitzilopochtli - the Sun god Quetzalcoatl - the Plumed Serpent Tezcatlipoca - the god of Night and Sorcery. Coatlicue - She of the Serpent Skirt. Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/

Avatarsuak, Who Was Baptised Nathan - Inuit IT is said that his grandfather, being likewise called Avatarsuak, was a wise man. It was he who took charge of his younger namesake, whose own father had been early called away from home. The grandfather admonished him not to harm the meanest dog, and never to be uncivil towards old people, not even on being reproved by them. When he came to possess a kayak of his own he remarked that his grandfather, when pushing him off the beach, was always heard to pronounce some strange words, at the same time uncovering his head by pulling the hood back behind the ears. But though the youth listened carefully, he could not make out the meaning of the words. About the time when he first commenced seal-catching his grandfather died, and being left alone he took up his winter quarters at a place where the Southlanders had to pass by when on their trading excursions to the European settlement at Pamiut (Fredrikshaab). At length two kayakers on their voyage to this place passed by his residence, whom he expected for ever so long to see return, but in vain. At length he learned from the south that both were missing, and at the same time that he was suspected of having killed them. Some time after, being in want of a skin for a hunting-bladder, he went off in search of a firth-seal. It was fine weather, and so calm that the breathing of the larger seals was plainly audible. As for the small firth-seals, however, he saw none, and was getting farther and farther into the bay. Suddenly something emerged from the water, coming up close behind him, and beating the top of his kayak, and lo! it was nothing less than a tupilak (monster made by sorcery). It accosted him, saying, "How lucky I met thee thus alone, as I am longing for some entrails!" Stupefied with awe, he felt the creature creeping up on the top of the kayak behind him, constantly repeating, "I shall soon make a feast on thy entrails;" at the same time pressing down the stern of the kayak so deep as to make the prow rise in the air. Never before had he, who was wont to carry spotted seals, had such a weight on board. Feeling his strength giving way, and knowing nothing better, he tried to capsize his kayak to the left, but was greatly perplexed to find his oar striking against a hard substance below, though out in deep water. At this he got up; but in attempting to turn his kayak to the right, he again hit something hard, on which he slowly righted himself, and rowed away, at the same time perceiving that he was regaining his strength. But though he pulled homewards with all his strength, he found it impossible to make his kayak go straight. It kept turning round, carrying him towards uninhabited places. The tupilak now cried, "Thou hateful creature, I see I have made a mistake, and climbed up to one of uncommon kind" (viz., a man endowed with a certain degree of angakok power); and he noticed it struggling hard to get down, but without being able to detach itself. Thus he went on pulling away to the sunny side of the firth. When they were quite close to the beach, the tupilak said, "I see I shall not get through with thee, and I think I shall be made thy prize." Just then the man on looking round discovered a boat occupied by women, who had been farther up the firth getting angmagsat (capelins). He called out to them, "I have got something on my kayak that is not a seal; put ashore yonder and come round this way quickly." When they had done as he told them, he went on saying, "Don't attack it in front, as it might be dangerous to you." The foremost among them on seeing the beast fled in terror. The kayaker again began to lose strength, but at length his repeated calls caused the women to come back, bringing with them oars, intending to use them as levers, the beast sticking fast, as if glued to the kayak. At length it gave way, and a cracking noise was heard, whereupon he was able to get out and look at the monster, which proved to be the size of a large firth-seal. Turning to the oldest of the women he said, "I do not care to touch it; ye cut it up; I shall repay you hereafter." In expectation of the reward she at once fell to and cut open the tupilak, which she found stuffed with all kinds of bones, such as of birds, walruses, and seals. They had it entirely destroyed by sinking part of it in the sea, and hiding the rest of it in some old tombs. This done, he prepared to row home, but first said to the women, "Thanks to you and your roaming thus about, without which I wonder how I had fared. I will take care to repay you; I am not likely to forget you." At home he told his adventure, and all now felt sure that it must have been the tupilak which had formerly killed the two traders. After this all travellers were unmolested, and the women were well paid by Avatarsuak. Some time now elapsed without anything remarkable happening. Towards spring, however, he found himself in want of several necessaries, such as lead, powder, and tobacco, and set out for the European settlement at Pamiut. Having finished his business there, and rested during the night, he turned homewards, rather uneasy about a quantity of drift-ice which had accumulated at the mouth of a firth he had to cross. Before he reached the spot, the land wind set in, and came storming down upon him, and the sky looked black and threatening. Still he tried to cross the firth, winding his way through the small passages between the broken ice. At length, however, he found himself almost entirely stopped, and at the same time saw a large iceberg drifting down upon him. He tried to escape, but presently heard the roar of its calving (breaking) right alongside him, and pressing him deep under the waters. However, he rose on the other side of the broken piece, and again sped along, but on the shady side of the firth he was once more overturned by a much larger iceberg, and this time he quite lost his senses. How long he was in this state of stupor is not known; but on reviving he noticed the strings of his kayak-jacket rattling about, and smiting his back with the quick motion, while he was pushed on towards the land beneath the waves. He had no kayak, but found himself sitting down, the loose bottom skin of his kayak fastened round him, and having his kayak-stick for an oar, and with one leg somewhat bent. In front he saw some one in a large hood rushing on and cleaving the waters for him, and behind he heard some one talking, but without being able to make out the words. These companions proved to be his grandparents protecting their grandson. When they came nearer to the islets he felt exceedingly thirsty; and presently discovering an iceberg with a fine spring flowing from it he wanted to go and quench his thirst; but at that moment he heard a warning voice behind him saying, "Dear grandson, do not drink of the fountain designed for those perishing at sea; if thou drinkest thou wilt never return." At length he was carried far towards the head of the firth, and saw light from the windows of a very large house. Presently a woman in a white jacket came out of the doorway, then another, and at last a man in a reindeer cloak, followed by others, all being dogs in shape of men, and running down on the beach to him. When he entered the house there were people sitting together at its southern end, keeping watch over a dying brother. Having got inside he fell down beside the first lamp, but still could hear one of the men say, "An anghiniartok has come among us;" at that instant, on being handled by them, and touched upon his bare, he lost all consciousness, but soon after revived, hearing a sweet tune of a song from his childhood. At the very moment he revived the sick man breathed his last. The people of the house put a new skin underneath him, and let him remain perfectly quiet in his own clothes for five succeeding days, after which he began to stir about a little, and long to get home, but he had no kayak. One day, however, a woman went down along the beach to gather the red sea-weed, and returned saying, "Only fancy! I have found a complete kayak drifted ashore to us." When they had gathered on the beach, and duly inspected it, they made it out to be the kayak of their anghiniartok, in perfect order, and lying just above high-water mark, and well closed by the half-jacket. On opening this they also found his goods, not a single implement amissing. The next day he returned; and from that time upwards he became still more of a wise man, and no witchcraft could ever work upon him. Tales and Traditions of the Eskimo, by Henry Rink; London [1875] and is now in the public domain. [Greenland] Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/

Atarsuatsiak - Inuit Atarsuatsiak and his brothers were a set of fearful manslayers, living in the country about Upernivik (Greenland), who had their heads tattooed with a separate mark for each murder they had committed. On Atarsuatsiak these marks formed a whole row along his forehead from one side to the other. At last the people of the neighbouring places resolved upon having him killed at a place to which he used to resort in order to visit his concubine Tales and Traditions of the Eskimo, by Henry Rink; London [1875] and is now in the public domain. [Greenland] Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/

Âtârssuaq - Inuit Âtârssuaq had many enemies. But his many enemies tried in vain to hurt him, and they could not kill him. Then it happened that his wife bore him a son. Âtârssuaq came back from his hunting one day, and found that he had a son. Then he took that son of his and bore him down to the water and threw him in. And waited until he began to kick out violently, and then took him up again. And so he did with him every day for long after, while the child was growing. And thus the boy became a very clever swimmer. And one day Âtârssuaq caught a fjord seal, and took off the skin all in one piece, and dried it like a bladder, and made his son put it on when he went swimming. One day he felt a wish to see how clever the boy had become. And said to him therefore: "Go out now and swim, and I will follow after you." And the father brought down his kayak and set it in the water, and his son watched him. And then he said: "Now you swim out." And he made his father follow him out to sea, while he swam more and more under water. As soon as he came to the surface, his father rowed to where he was, but every time he took his throwing stick to cast a small harpoon, he disappeared. And when his father thought they had done this long enough, he said: "Now swim back to land, but keep under water as much as you can." The son dived down, but it was a long time before he came up again. And now his father was greatly afraid. But at last the boy came up, a long way off. And then he rowed up to where he was, and laid one hand on his head, and said: "Clever diver, clever diver, dear little clever one." And then he sniffed. And a second time he said to him: "Now swim under water a very long way this time." So he dived down, and his father rowed forward an the time, to come to the place where he should rise, and feeling already afraid. His face moved as if he were beginning to cry, and he said: "If only the sharks have not found him!" And he had just begun to cry when his son came up again. And then they went in to land, and the boy did not dive any more that day. So clever had he now become. And one day his father did not come back from his hunting. This was because of his enemies, who had killed him. Evening came, and next morning there was a kayak from the north. When it came in to the shore, the boy went down and said: "To-morrow the many brothers will come to kill you all." And the kayak turned at once and went back without coming on shore. Night passed and morning came. And in the morning when the boy awoke, he went to look out, and again, and many times. Once when he came out he saw many kayaks appearing from the northward. Then he went in and said to his mother: "Now many kayaks are coming, to kill us all." "Then put on your swimming dress," said his mother. And he did so, and went down to the shore, and did not stop until he was quite close to the water. When the kayaks then saw him, they all rowed towards him, and said: "He has fallen into the water." When they came to the place where he had fallen in, they all began looking about for him, and while they were doing this, he came up just in front of the bone shoeing on the nose of one of the kayaks which lay quite away from the rest. When they spied him, each tried to outdo the others, and cried: "Here he is!" But then he dived down again. And this he continued to do. And in this manner he led all those kayaks out to the open sea, and when they had come a great way out, they sighted an iceberg which had run aground. When Âtârssuaq's son came to this, he climbed up, by sticking his hands into the ice. And up above were two large pieces. And when he came close to the iceberg, he heard those in the kayaks saying among themselves: "We can cut steps in the ice, and climb up to him." And they began cutting steps in the iceberg, and at last the ice pick of the foremost came up over the edge. But now the boy took one of the great pieces of ice and threw it down upon them as they crawled up, so that it sent them all down again as it fell. And again he heard them say: "It would be very foolish not to kill him. Let us climb up, and try to reach him this time." And then they began crawling up one after another. But now the boy began as before, shifting the great piece of ice. And he waited until the head of the foremost one came up, and then he let it fall. And this time he also killed all those who had climbed on to the iceberg, after he had so lured them on to follow him. But the others now turned back, and said: "He will kill us all if we do not go." And now the boy jumped down from the iceberg and swam to the kayaks and began tugging at their paddles, so that they turned over. But the men righted themselves again with their throwing sticks. And at last he was forced to hold them down himself under water till they drowned. And soon there were left no more of all those many kayaks, save only one. And when he looked closer, he saw that the man had no weapon but a stick for killing fish. And he rowed weeping in towards land, that man with no weapon but a stick. Then the boy pulled the paddle away from him, and he cried very much at that. Then he began paddling with his hands. But the boy gripped his hands from below, and then the man began crying furiously, and dared no longer put his hands in the water at all. And weeping very greatly he said: "It is ill for me that ever I came out on this errand, for it is plain that I am to be killed." The boy looked at him a little. And then said: "You I will not kill. You may go home again." And he gave him back his paddle, and said to him as he was rowing away: "Tell those of your place never to come out again thinking to kill us. For if they do not one of them will return alive." Then Âtârssuaq's son went home. And for some time he waited, thinking that more enemies might come. But none ever came against them after that time. Eskimo Folk-Tales, collected by Knud Rasmussen, translated and edited by W. Worster; London [1921] and is now in the public domain. Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/

Thank you BP for this, I'm going to print this out (storm's hitting) & read this over. I think I have yarn also, so may try this out this weekend Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Native_Village" <[email protected]>; "CHEROKEE" <[email protected]> Cc: "IPLStories" <[email protected]>; "summonthewolf" <[email protected]>; "littlewolfstraditions" <[email protected]>; "redroad" <[email protected]>; "indigenous_peoples_literatur" <[email protected]>; "CherokeeMAINVillage" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [Cherokee Circle] FINGER WEAVING > FINGER WEAVING > > MATERIALS NEEDED TO MAKE A LEG TIE: > > To start you will need two different colors of wool yarn to work with. > Two four inch long bamboo sticks like the ones you make kabob on. > A tape measure to use for measuring the yarn pieces. > Four very small rubbers band. > You will need a pair of scissors to cut the yarn with. > Measure your one color of yarn 36 inches long and make 12 of them. > Now make 8 pieces of the other color 36 inches long. > You should have 20 strands of yarn. > Wind a rubber band around the end of each stick. > Make sure you do both ends of each stick. > > SET UP > > Split your yarn into two different piles. > > Each pile should have six of one color and four of the other a total of > ten. > Take one pile of yarn and make sure all the ends are together so as to > have 10 ends in your hand. > Now find the middle of your yarn strands and lay something across the > strands to mark it. > Cut a piece of yarn five inches long. > Where you have the yarn strands marked wrap your short piece around twice > and then tie in a double knot. > Now do the same with the other pile. > The order that the strands will be placed on both the sticks is 3 of one > color-4 of the other color-and 3 of the first color. > You will start your work on the stick about 2 inches from where you have > it tied. > Using one stick and one pile of yarn you are going to wrap each strand of > yarn around the stick just once going under the stick, up and over, to the > left of where you started, and down the back side and let it hang down. > Do this for each of the ten strands on the BOTTOM row. > You will use the other stick and wrap the yarn once around going over the > top of the stick, down and around, up over the back, to the left of where > you started and then let it hang down. > Do this for each of the ten strands on the TOP row. > You can tell the difference because the bottom row the strands go under > the stick and the top row the strands go over the stick. > Cut another piece of your extra yarn about two feet long. > Have your bottom row of strands in your left hand so the strands hang down > so that the stick is going up your palm toward your fingertips. > The strands should be hanging on both sides of your hand. > Now place the top row over the one in your left hand in the same way. > Take your right hand and rubber band the two sticks together at both ends. > Gather all the strands, above the two sticks, hanging over the top of your > hand, and tie them tightly together with a double knot. > Now you will anchor this to the back of a chair or something that will not > move with the short piece you just tied in the middle. > > WEAVING RULES > > The weaving goes from the right to the left. > Always take the furthest strand to the right through the middle of the top > and bottom rows. > Always start your weaving by bringing up the furthest to the right strand > from the bottom row. > The next strand goes down from the top. > When you have worked through the row the strand you brought through is > always going down. > > HOW TO BEGIN WEAVING > > Hold your work in your left hand about 3 inches from where you are > working. > Place the bottom strands between the first and middle finger. > The top row strands are held between the first finger and the thumb. > Now take the first strand of yarn, which should be on the top row, through > the middle of the top and bottom row and tie it in a loose knot on your > stick. > You are now going to weave by taking the bottom strand furthest to the > right into your right hand. > Next you will take the furthest to your right strand from the top row and > let it drop down. > Now you will take the furthest to you right strand on the bottom row and > hold it in your hand so now you have two. > Continue this across the row till you have ten in your hand and nine > hanging over the back of your hand, > Untie the one you have wrapped around your stick and it goes down. > Make sure your work is neat. > You will learn how to use tension to keep the edge even and good looking. > Tighten you weaving up close to the strand that you pulled through by > pulling the top strands up and the bottom strands down. > You have now completed your first row of weaving. > Continue doing this until you are about four inches from the end of your > work. > > NEXT STEP > > Start on the left and take one strand from the bottom and one from the top > and tie it in a double knot up next to where your weaving stopped. > > Do this all the way across. > Go back to the left side and start braiding the ends three strands at a > time and putting a knot at the end of each braid. > One of the braids will have four strands in it and you decide which one > you want to put it in. > > TURN AROUND TIME > > It is time to untie your work from where ever you have it anchored and to > carefully cut the yarn you bound the strands together with. > > Now anchor your leg tie by the finished end by tying a piece of yarn about > two inches down on your weaving. > > Make sure that you are holding onto your leg tie so that you will be > working from right to left, and that the farthest strand to the right is > on the top row. > > Repetition here will be helpful. > > Make sure the bottom strands are between your first finger and your middle > finger of your left hand. > > Have the top strands on top of your first finger and hold them with your > thumb. > Remove the rubber band off the ends of the sticks. > Now for the magic act, you will pull that sticks out as you do not want > them as a permanent part of your leg tie. > Now you can start to weave again from right to left and you have all the > directions you need for that. > Just a few final words: > Try to make sure your strands stay in the right order and you will be very > successful. > As we are made in our creators image and we do not want to try to out do > him. > It is important that everything we make have a mistake in it to show > respect for he who made us. > PLEASE remember that the only stupid question is the one you do not ask. > NEVER under estimate or prejudge anyone's ability to do anything. POSITIVE > thinking WILL bring positive results. > Have lots of fun and relax. > I am learning disabled and was able to learn how and I can do it with my > eyes closed...now. > Love to all and here is a big hug > Little Mother > > > > > Come visit us at. "Keeper of Stories". > http://www.newkeeperofstories.com/ > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dan, Just catching up on some e-mails after a trip to Arizona. My husband is Cherokee but I am E Delaware. I agree with your migration theory to a point. Many scientists think people migrated to the Americas across the Bering Land Bridge thousands of years ago from Asia rather than Europe. The physical characteristics are more Asian than European. (However, they believe if you go back far enough everyone had the same mother!) The Clovis were thought to be the ancestors of most Native Americans before they branched off into more localized groups or tribes. This is now being contested. My personal opinion is the Clovis culture either came in? a secondary migration across the land bridge or were a culture descended from earlier immigrants.?I believe people have been in the Americas much longer than the majority of scientists have been willing to conjecture. There have been several "ice ages" and the land bridge would most likely have been there at those earlier?times as well. I suspect people have been in the Americas more like 30 or 40 thousand years rather than the 11 or 12 of the Clovis. Personally, I think there were successive migrations. I think those that crossed the land bridge?(and their descendants) followed a path down the West coast?until they were past the ice and then spread gradually across the continent going East as well as South (not S to South America and back up the east coast). I believe there were also some?arrivals across the oceans to both North and South America. There is too much evidence arising now that doesn't match previous theories.?? Robbie ~Original Message~ For those who hate the Euro, think about a time line. Natives came from Euro and those who stayed there and then came later were just advanced Euro of the same people? True or false? My theory is the people walked along the coasts, as they found the way here was not intentional, they just followed the coast as in those days the lands were connected and they came along, followed through the glaciers, S, continued, all the way to S tip of SA and back up the other side and around TX, to FL and up the E coast. ( possible ) ?maybe, maybe not. Were the Cherokee here before the Clovis? Not likely. Theory - for conversations. With ut it there is nothing to talk about. Who was here first - possibly the Euro?