Hi Fran, I enjoyed your story and it is stored with all the Blue Panther stories.:} I am not of Indian extraction but have enjoyed learning about you and your wise heritage since a very yearly age. (I don't have enough fingers nor toes to count that high.) All the best take good care Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:37:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs You are most welcome. I, too, am learning much with which I am unfamiliar, have never known, so plan to remain on this list and read regularly. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:22 AM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > Good morning Fran > > Thank you for the great explanation. It is something that I am not > familiar with and cannot recall any stories before this relative to this. > > This is a site that allows me to learn many things from others. > > William Threerivers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try > again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any > animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for > that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, > water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams > that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That > bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In > turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and > regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. > > The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to > worship. > > Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a > human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that > could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often > hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a > person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to > confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born > in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in > Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor > described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) > signs the German male had received from a hawk. > > My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is > the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related > their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of > encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not > know. > > And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign > represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:27 PM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested > > to learn more > > > > William Threerivers > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > > To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > > > > As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, > > that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that > > animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as > > this was sign of special favor by that bird. > > > > My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. > > > > Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so > > maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. > > > > So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of > its > > happening to a man born in Germany. > > > > Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. > > > > Fran > > Chinquapin > > ======*====== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of > > the message > > > > > > ======*====== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that experience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HOW THE CHILDREN OF HE-LE'-JAH BECAME PEOPLE – Miwok FRAGMENT OF CREATION STORY OF THE NORTHERN MEWUK As told at Wal'-le and Hā'-cha-nah PERSONAGES: He-le'-jah the Cougar or Mountain Lion-man Oo-soo'-ma-te the Grizzly Bear-woman, wife of He-le'-jah Paht'-ki-yu the Raccoon-woman, another wife of He-le'-jah Pe-tā'-le the Little Lizard-man, who gave the people five fingers HOW THE CHILDREN OF HE-LE'-JAH BECAME PEOPLE HE-LE'-JAH the Cougar or Mountain Lion had two wives, Oo-soo'-ma-te the Grizzly Bear-woman and Paht'-ki-yu the Raccoon-woman. Their children looked a little like people but still were not people. Every year there were more children, and as they grew up and had children of their own, the children came to look more and more like people, only they had no fingers. Then Pe-tā'-le the Lizard gave them five fingers and they became real people (Me'wuk). The Dawn of the World; Myths and Weird Tales Told by the Mewan [Miwok] Indians of California; Collected and Edited by C. Hart Merriam; Cleveland: Arthur H. Clarke Co., [1910] ] and is now in the public domain.

Never heard of that.... But they too are one of my favorites. I love talking to them -----Original Message----- From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blue Panther Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:27 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night.

Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that experience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin

Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think animal signs are limited to just Native Americans. > > They are more apt to understand the significance behind it & now that its > been explained a bit of what the "sign" is, I should have figured it out. > Just didn't make any sense to me at the time. > > Years ago, a Bald Eagle came to me in a "dream" & then shortly there after > we moved to where we're currently living & I saw almost the exact same > "sign" I had received in my "dreams" I've have seen the Bald eagle 3 times > since being out here for 13 yrs. > > But we also have Hawks (Red Tail & Swanson's) And owls out here. We had an > Owl come to a tree in our yard in the day time & stay. I told him to that > he > was welcome to stay around here as long as he/she left my chickens, baby > goats & cats alone.....it could have all the snakes, mice & other rodents > around the yard it wanted. > > It acknowledged me when I made a clicking/clucking noise (like you would to > move a horse) & it came back of a night while I was out milking goats. > > Never noticed whether we lost any chickens to it & thankfully it never > messed with my smallest goat (she wasn't much bigger then our barred Rock > hens at the time) :) > > It was a beautiful great horned owl. > > Alli :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:06 AM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try > again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any > animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for > that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, > water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams > that > bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird > or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, > that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and > regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. > > The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to > worship. > > Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a > human > need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could > sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of > any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person > approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did > not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of > German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was > quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in > detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the > German male had received from a hawk. > > My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is > the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related > their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of > encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not > know. > > And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign > represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are most welcome. I, too, am learning much with which I am unfamiliar, have never known, so plan to remain on this list and read regularly. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:22 AM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > Good morning Fran > > Thank you for the great explanation. It is something that I am not > familiar with and cannot recall any stories before this relative to this. > > This is a site that allows me to learn many things from others. > > William Threerivers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try > again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any > animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for > that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, > water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams > that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That > bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In > turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and > regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. > > The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to > worship. > > Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a > human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that > could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often > hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a > person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to > confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born > in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in > Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor > described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) > signs the German male had received from a hawk. > > My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is > the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related > their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of > encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not > know. > > And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign > represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:27 PM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested > > to learn more > > > > William Threerivers > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > > To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > > > > As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, > > that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that > > animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as > > this was sign of special favor by that bird. > > > > My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. > > > > Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so > > maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. > > > > So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of > its > > happening to a man born in Germany. > > > > Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. > > > > Fran > > Chinquapin > > ======*====== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of > > the message > > > > > > ======*====== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning Fran Thank you for the great explanation. It is something that I am not familiar with and cannot recall any stories before this relative to this. This is a site that allows me to learn many things from others. William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to worship. Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the German male had received from a hawk. My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not know. And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:27 PM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested > to learn more > > William Threerivers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, > that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that > animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as > this was sign of special favor by that bird. > > My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. > > Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so > maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. > > So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its > happening to a man born in Germany. > > Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. > > Fran > Chinquapin > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How the Chilakoons came to Kitamaat – Kwakiutl The Chilakoons totem originated among the Haidas of Skidegate on the Queen Char- lotte Islands. It was the totem of Chief Gitwun of the Haida Eagle Clan. At the time when peace between the Haidas and the Haisia (Kitamaat people) was established the privilege of using this totem was one of many peace offerings given to Sunahead, Chief of the Haisia Eagle Clan, by Gitwun as a symbol of the end of enmity bet- ween the Haidas and the Haisia. The last Chilakoons totem pole in the Kitamaat Village was carved by these men: Noah, who carved the frog, Laadac, who carved the halibut, and Gups Nagwilk, who carved the little man on top. This totem pole was raised approximately 80 years ago in honour of the then current Sunahead who was a son of the Sunahead who had been given the privilege of using the Chilakoons totem by Gitwun. It is perhaps significant that just as the totem originated in a disastrous fire on the Queen Charlotte Islands, so the last carving of the totem was destroyed in another disastrous fire in Kitamaat Village on May 13th, 1955. Taken from Tales of Kitamaat by Gordon Robinson, July 1956. Haisla people, a branch of the Kwakiutl

William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to worship. Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the German male had received from a hawk. My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not know. And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:27 PM, <wthreerivers@aol.com> wrote: > > I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested > to learn more > > William Threerivers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > > As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, > that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that > animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as > this was sign of special favor by that bird. > > My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. > > Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so > maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. > > So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its > happening to a man born in Germany. > > Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. > > Fran > Chinquapin > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good Morning William, The weather forecast isn't looking very good for me.:} I don't mind, I enjoy the change of seasons. I hope you are on the side that gets less. I hope you enjoy the different seasons as much as I. (g) I have not been south of D.C. and SW Missouri where my cousin lived. When I read the email about the Hawk Sign, I was wondering if there was a story connected with it. I am enjoying Blue Panther's submissions so much.:} Birds and animals can be so interesting doing things that seem to be more thinking than we tend to give them credit for. I had a friend whose husband died. He liked the seagulls and they had a small cottage on the beach. The summer after he died, a sea gull sat on the jetty all summer. It was, at first, sort of creepy but then, I thought maybe that sea gull, in some way, had know he liked them and was watching over his wife. Thank you. take care Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: wthreerivers@aol.com To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Good morning Barbara Thank you for the explanation. There are times when I speak with someone from my family and the answers to my questions are stories. My family is from the Cherokee Reservation in North Carolina but I also live in MA William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Young <bayofcc@comcast.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Hi William, As I think you know, I am not of Indian heritage but am enjoying every minute I spend at this list. I am going out on a limb with this but is it possible the "sign" is the appearance of a certain bird or animal to a certain person and was considered a "sign" and if that animal or bird made 5 appearances, there was some ceremony linking the person and animal or or bird? Just a thought.:) Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: wthreerivers@aol.com To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:27:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested to learn more William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as this was sign of special favor by that bird. My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its happening to a man born in Germany. Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think animal signs are limited to just Native Americans. They are more apt to understand the significance behind it & now that its been explained a bit of what the "sign" is, I should have figured it out. Just didn't make any sense to me at the time. Years ago, a Bald Eagle came to me in a "dream" & then shortly there after we moved to where we're currently living & I saw almost the exact same "sign" I had received in my "dreams" I've have seen the Bald eagle 3 times since being out here for 13 yrs. But we also have Hawks (Red Tail & Swanson's) And owls out here. We had an Owl come to a tree in our yard in the day time & stay. I told him to that he was welcome to stay around here as long as he/she left my chickens, baby goats & cats alone.....it could have all the snakes, mice & other rodents around the yard it wanted. It acknowledged me when I made a clicking/clucking noise (like you would to move a horse) & it came back of a night while I was out milking goats. Never noticed whether we lost any chickens to it & thankfully it never messed with my smallest goat (she wasn't much bigger then our barred Rock hens at the time) :) It was a beautiful great horned owl. Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:06 AM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams that bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to worship. Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a human need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the German male had received from a hawk. My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not know. And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? Thank you. Fran Chinquapin

Good morning Barbara Thank you for the explanation. There are times when I speak with someone from my family and the answers to my questions are stories. My family is from the Cherokee Reservation in North Carolina but I also live in MA William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Young <bayofcc@comcast.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Hi William, As I think you know, I am not of Indian heritage but am enjoying every minute I spend at this list. I am going out on a limb with this but is it possible the "sign" is the appearance of a certain bird or animal to a certain person and was considered a "sign" and if that animal or bird made 5 appearances, there was some ceremony linking the person and animal or or bird? Just a thought.:) Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: wthreerivers@aol.com To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:27:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested to learn more William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as this was sign of special favor by that bird. My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its happening to a man born in Germany. Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi William, As I think you know, I am not of Indian heritage but am enjoying every minute I spend at this list. I am going out on a limb with this but is it possible the "sign" is the appearance of a certain bird or animal to a certain person and was considered a "sign" and if that animal or bird made 5 appearances, there was some ceremony linking the person and animal or or bird? Just a thought.:) Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: wthreerivers@aol.com To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:27:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested to learn more William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as this was sign of special favor by that bird. My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its happening to a man born in Germany. Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Adiene. You brought tears to my eyes.:} Years ago I was returning home and as it was driving up the on-ramp to the highway, Mom duck and her "train" of ducklings started to cross the roan in front of me. I stopped and they crossed - all but one that took shelter under the car.:} My daughter tried to get it and couldn't . The traffic was backing up and horns were beeping. The man in the car behind me finally got out and manged to reach the duckling. By then, Mom and her crew had moved on and the man thrust it into my daughter's hands. I was then a mum to a duckling. I took it with me to the post office in a box and tried to be a duck as much as I could. I had a child's swimming pool that I put the duckling in each day - there is a pond abutting me but I didn't dare put i t in there - a snapping turtle would have grabbed it. Days and weeks passed with the duckling growing and feathering out. It played with the cat by chasing her around the house ad grabby her fur I think the cat was not happy about the game but never made any threatening motions toward the duckling. One day when I was going to bring the duckling in for the night, he started to go in the opposite direction - right toward the cranberry bog. I caught up with "Chuck-Chuck" and told him I was not spending the night on the bog with him, as I picked him up. He then began to fly in the house. A duck is small but let it get flying around in the house, the house isn't large enough!! A few days after that, we were outside and Chuck-Chuck spread his wings, circled the house and then joined two ducks that were flying overhead. I think he must have known they were coming this way because the timing was perfect. After that, I used to look for ducks flying over and wonder how he was doing. One day 3 ducks came and I called out "Chuck-Chuck, Hi" One of the ducks suddenly stopped flying for just an instant and then continued on. I am sure it was my Chuck-Chuck. All the best Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adiene Humble" <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:13:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 10/owl/eagle Strangely enough, there have been two instance involving an eagle and an owl. My husband was on a motorcycle and an eagle flew into him while he was driving his bike. Only due to his leg strength was he able to stay on his bike. The eagle was still alive though unconcious so he brought the eagle home and I treated the injuries. We put the eagle in a box on the carport and he was gone the next day, however, that eagle was in a pine tree behind our house and stayed for years and years. The second instance was also similar. My son discovered an animal while riding home on his motorcycle on the side of the road at the lot next to us. He came and got me. The bird was still alive. Again I sought to help the bird (I was working for a vet at the time) so I sent for a towel as the birds can do some damage with their beaks, even injured. I took the owl to the carport and examined him. He seemed uninjured but stunned. Leaving him safely on the carport again we found the next morning he was gone. He'd move to a tree near my house. We left uncooked meat for a few days until he'd moved to a Picknut tree. Strangely enough, everytime one of us left the house to go outside he'd hooted. And every night he'd hoot at or about the same time as if to say "I'm fine or thank you". He lived in that tree many years and often flew into our yard and sit on a post. I truly believe that both of these birds were showing us how grateful they were and made their new home new us. Adiene ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to admit, I have never heard of this either but I would interested to learn more William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: CHEROKEE <CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:11 pm Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as this was sign of special favor by that bird. My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its happening to a man born in Germany. Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How the Chilakoons came to Kitamaat – Kwakiutl The Chilakoons totem originated among the Haidas of Skidegate on the Queen Char- lotte Islands. It was the totem of Chief Gitwun of the Haida Eagle Clan. At the time when peace between the Haidas and the Haisia (Kitamaat people) was established the privilege of using this totem was one of many peace offerings given to Sunahead, Chief of the Haisia Eagle Clan, by Gitwun as a symbol of the end of enmity bet- ween the Haidas and the Haisia. The last Chilakoons totem pole in the Kitamaat Village was carved by these men: Noah, who carved the frog, Laadac, who carved the halibut, and Gups Nagwilk, who carved the little man on top. This totem pole was raised approximately 80 years ago in honour of the then current Sunahead who was a son of the Sunahead who had been given the privilege of using the Chilakoons totem by Gitwun. It is perhaps significant that just as the totem originated in a disastrous fire on the Queen Charlotte Islands, so the last carving of the totem was destroyed in another disastrous fire in Kitamaat Village on May 13th, 1955. Taken from Tales of Kitamaat by Gordon Robinson, July 1956. Haisla people, a branch of the Kwakiutl

Strangely enough, there have been two instance involving an eagle and an owl. My husband was on a motorcycle and an eagle flew into him while he was driving his bike. Only due to his leg strength was he able to stay on his bike. The eagle was still alive though unconcious so he brought the eagle home and I treated the injuries. We put the eagle in a box on the carport and he was gone the next day, however, that eagle was in a pine tree behind our house and stayed for years and years. The second instance was also similar. My son discovered an animal while riding home on his motorcycle on the side of the road at the lot next to us. He came and got me. The bird was still alive. Again I sought to help the bird (I was working for a vet at the time) so I sent for a towel as the birds can do some damage with their beaks, even injured. I took the owl to the carport and examined him. He seemed uninjured but stunned. Leaving him safely on the carport again we found the next morning he was gone. He'd move to a tree near my house. We left uncooked meat for a few days until he'd moved to a Picknut tree. Strangely enough, everytime one of us left the house to go outside he'd hooted. And every night he'd hoot at or about the same time as if to say "I'm fine or thank you". He lived in that tree many years and often flew into our yard and sit on a post. I truly believe that both of these birds were showing us how grateful they were and made their new home new us. Adiene

As a child, my late Granny taught me that animals, and especially birds, that appear to us/near us, on friendly terms, are our "sign" and that animal, in this case, bird, is to be thanked for its presence and help as this was sign of special favor by that bird. My bird sign is the owl; my animal sign is the snake. Now, it happens that I am old woman, raised in swamps and back woods so maybe that animal/bird sign doesn't happen anymore. So I know that happens to Native peoples but don't know what to make of its happening to a man born in Germany. Regret lack of clarity, but I know not how else to explain. Fran Chinquapin

Most chicken hawks (based on what I've read & seen) don't kill chickens, they are more apt to eat one that's already dead. But we had a chicken hawk that stayed by our coop when we were growing up. Not sure if it ever killed in. But our landlord's dogs loved having fresh chicken on a regular basis. Hubby killed the first one because he ran off with our oldest rooster right in front of our kids, the youngest was devastated. Between the coyotes & the landlords son & a car the others routinely disappeared. Thankfully the landlady quit getting dogs. They never did anything with them. Barely fed them & then wondered why they'd wonder off & get caught by the coyotes. But back to the Original topic on this....... I hope the original poster (sorry I forget who) will explain by what they meant by the Hawk Sign's. I don't know if they mean "seeing" a hawk or if its showing up at a certain time & suppose to have a meaning? Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:25 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk sign Well, if one of the neighbor's dogs were the culprit I'd have a long chat with them and the dog BUT we've seen the hawk in the yard several times and after one yesterday. I think it killed the chicken but it never got it. Joyce Gaston Reece