How The Circle (Póngo) Katcina And His Wife Became Stars – Hopi Halíksai! In Oraíbi the people were living. In the north-western part of the village was at that time a kiva called Hâmís-kiva. Somewhat south of this kiva close to the present site of the, Hanó-kiva lived a maiden. She persistently refused to marry any young man in the village. At Red Sand (Palánvisa), a place north-east of the village, some maidens were playing the game "jumping over the trays." The maiden mentioned above never played with the other maidens, but one time she went out intending to play with the maidens. When she came to the edge of the mesa she sat down and watched the other maidens play. A young man dressed in a blue Hopi blanket came by and asked her why she did not play with the other maidens. "Yes," she said, "I never play with them." Hereupon he sat down beside her and they talked together a little while, then the maiden returned to her home. In the evening she was grinding corn. While she was grinding a Katcina came to the village, danced first near the Coyote (Ish) kiva, then at the Singer (Táo) kiva, then at the Public plaza (Kíconvee), then at the Wrinkle (Wíkolapi) kiva, and finally at the Hâmís-kiva. Hereupon he left the village. The next morning the mána again proceeded to the place at the edge of the mesa where she had been sitting the previous day, and again the youth joined her. This time he asked her if she would marry him if her father and mother were willing. She consented. He told her that if they were willing he would come and get her the next day. He then told her that he was the Katcina who was dancing in the village, saying that he would again dance at the same places as usual, and then after he would be through she should come and meet him at "The Place-Where-Scalps-are-Dressed" (Yóvutzrhrokwanpi). Hereupon they parted. In the evening she was again grinding corn and the Katcina again went through the village dancing at the places mentioned, and singing the following song while he was dancing, singing the same song at each place: Achípolaina, achipolaina, Koohochunisha, kowishkúnishaa, Palainaiya ---------------- --aya. Waa-i-aha-ihihi. The mána had in the meanwhile obtained the permission of her parents to marry the youth. The mother filled a tray with meal for her, with which the mana proceeded to the place named by the Katcina. Here she was met by the Katcina after he had made his round through the village. From here they proceeded to the place called Kocántûika, a bluff named after a certain plant, kocána.[1] When they arrived here they saw a kiva and a light in it. A voice called out from the kiva inviting them to come in. They entered and found here a great many different Katcinas. The youth was the Circle (Póngo) Katcina. Hereupon the youth handed the mána some píki made of fresh roasting ears, and also some watermelon slices, which she ate. They then remained in this kiva, the mána preparing the food for the Katcinas, and the latter preparing the bridal costume for the mána. Every night the Póngo Katcina would go to the village and dance, as already explained. When the bridal costume was finished the mána went home in the same manner in which brides go home to-day. Her husband followed her, so they lived in the house of her parents after that. Her parents now found out that the husband of their daughter was a Katcina. By and by she bore two children, which were also Circle Katcinas. One time the young mother was drying corn-meal, stirring it in a pot over the fire. When she was done with this she left her house and went to the edge of the mesa outside of the village. Her husband had gone to visit the Katcinas at the Katcina kiva mentioned before. While the woman was outside of the village some one approached her. It was the Hotóto Katcina. He told her that she should go with him, to which she consented. They descended the mesa south of the village and went southward to Shongópavi. When the Circle Katcina returned to the house he found his wife gone. Following her tracks, he found that she had gone away with some one, and soon heard who it was that had taken her away. He returned to the house, took his two children and went with them to the Katcina house already mentioned. Here they remained. The two little Katcinas learned the Katcina songs and dances. After a while the father and his two children concluded to try to find the mother of the two youths. So the people cooked some roasting ears and other food for them, whereupon they proceeded to the village, taking the food with them. Here they danced at Pisávi, a place a short distance east of the Pongóvi kiva. While they danced they sang the following song: Ahahahahai ahahaai Ahahahaha ihihihihihi Umungu uyungnaya Umungu uchioli Ahahahahai ihihihihi-hi-hi-hi. When they were through singing, the father asked the women among the spectators whether some one would not nurse the children for these roasting ears that they had brought with them, but no one was willing. They went to the plaza, repeated their dancing and singing, whereupon the father again asked the women that some one nurse his children for the roasting ears, but no one was willing. They then proceeded to the Coyote kiva, where the same thing was repeated. No one being willing to nurse the two children, they left the village and when they came to the last row of houses, where the Katcinas often rest when they have dances now, a woman approached them declaring that she was willing to nurse the children. After she had nursed them and they had given her the roasting ears, they left the village along the trail leading south-eastward. Here they traced the mother to Sik'ákvu, a bluff on top of the mesa about three miles southeast of Oraíbi. Here they found a kiva where they heard some one singing the following song: Tciihiihihio tcihihiokaaha, Tcihihiokaaha tcihihiokaaha, Ha, ha, ha! It was the Haháii Wuhti, who was opening comíviki as she was singing. When they heard the song they looked into the kiva and were noticed by the Haháii Wuhti. "Oh!" she said, "here I am meeting you with this song. Recently somebody was fetching your mother by here." The three went into the kiva and were invited to remain over night. They were fed by the Haháii Wuhti the comíviki. When they had eaten they danced, singing the following song: Ahahahaihahaiiya toywihihiovohokahai, Ahahaahaaiahaiya toywihihiovohokahai, Ocarasotikiiihi, polaihainahai, Kahaahaowkuruhukahai, koaowaikurukahaihai. In the morning they proceeded eastward. In the evening of the next day they arrived at a place called Owl Spring (Móngkba). Here they found another Haháii Wuhti in a kiva, who was also engaged in opening comíviki. She was singing the same song that the other Haháii Wuhti had been singing. When the three arrived they looked into the kiva. When the woman noticed them she said, "Utí! here you some one is going about and I am meeting you with this song. Recently some one fetched your mother by here." They went in and were fed by the Haháii Wuhti, whereupon they again danced and sang the same song which they sang at the place of the other Haháii Wuhti. They stayed over night at this kiva., and during the night the Haháii Wuhti went to Kí'shiwuu, where many different kinds of Katcinas had a dance. When one party had danced and gone away, another party would come and perform their dance and leave. p. 69 Then another party, and so on. When all had danced, Haháii Wuhti returned to her home and told the three Circle Katcinas about the dance. She told them about it; then they also went and performed a dance at Kí'shiwuu, which, it seems, was not far away. When they were through they again returned to Móngkba. Here they remained until it became morning. In the morning Haháii Wuhti again went to Kí'shiwuu to be present at another dance, the three Circle Katcinas remaining behind. When they had all danced Haháii Wuhti again Invited the three Katcinas. The people who had seen them in the last dance during the night and had not observed them during the day were waiting for them, thinking that they probably would come. They went over and also performed their dance. Before they went over Haháii Wuhti told them that their mother was at Kí'shiwuu and that she would see them dance and she would certainly be anxious to return with them. They performed their dance on the public plaza, singing the same song that they had sung at the places of the two Haháii Wuhtis, When they were through they again returned and soon met their mother, who had recognized them and had gone before them. So they took their mother back with them. Before they reached Móngkba night befell them, so they stopped. The father said to the two children they should go ahead to their grandmother, the Haháii Wuhti, which they did. He then took a pointed stick and killed his wife with it by thrusting it into her throat. Leaving the body at the place, he followed his two sons, but before he reached the place where they were the skeleton of his wife followed him. The two boys had safely gotten into the house of their grandmother, but their father ran away, being followed by the skeleton. He finally arrived at the First Mesa, rushed into the village of Háno and there into a kiva where a number of women were making jugs. He begged them to hide him as something was pursuing him. Hereupon one of the women hid him under a pile of clay which they were using for making their pottery. The skeleton then arrived, saving, "Havá! Did my husband not come here?" she asked. "No," they replied. "Yes," the skeleton said, "because his tracks end here," and hereupon she entered the kiva. She threw aside all the piles of clay and material that was lying there, and finally came to the pile under which the man was hidden. When he noticed that she was close by he jumped up, ran up the ladder and westward towards Wálpi, being pursued by the skeleton of his wife. In Wálpi he again entered a kiva. Here they were practicing a war dance. "Hide me quickly," he said, "some one is following me." "Come here," they said, and handed him a drum. So he beat the drum. The skeleton soon arrived and entered the kiva after having spoken the same words as in Háno. She shoved the dancers aside, but when she came to the one who was beating the drum, he threw aside the drum and rushed out, running to Mishóngnovi. Here he again rushed into a kiva where they were assembled for the Lagón ceremony. The women were making trays. He again asked to be hidden as he was being pursued by some one. One of the women told him to be seated in her lap, which he did. She covered him with a tray that she was working on and continued her work. Soon the skeleton arrived, asked the same questions, and was again answered in the negative. She came in, looked around, driving the women from one place of the kiva into another, until she arrived at the one who had her husband. When he saw that he could not remain hidden he rushed out and ran towards Shongópavi. Here they also were assembled for the Lagón ceremony and the same thing was repeated that took place in Mishóngnovi. >From here he ran towards Matö'vi (about fifteen miles south of Shongópavi). At this place the Flute society had a ceremony. They were assembled at the spring when he arrived, He again repeated the same request to be hidden, as he was being pursued. They told him to go into the spring to a certain sunflower stalk that was growing in the spring. This he should mount and hide in its top. He did so. When the skeleton arrived and asked whether her husband was not there the Flute priest told her, "Yes, he has entered the spring." So she went to the edge of that spring and entered it. Looking into the water she saw the sunflower stalk reflected in the water and on top of it her husband. Thinking that he was in the water she dived in and disappeared. The pursued man came down and joined the Flute players. On the fourth day they heard somebody pound yucca roots in the water. When the sun rose the woman came out of the water, dressed in a bridal costume, and carrying in her arms a reed receptacle which contained another bridal robe and the white belt. She appeared in exactly the same manner as the newly married bride appears on the morning when she returns from the home of her husband to that of her own mother. When she came out the two priests called the two together, placed them back to back, made a road with sacred meal for each one; the one road southward, and the other northward. The priests told them to proceed four steps, each one in the direction they were facing. Then they should turn and meet again. But the man returned when he had taken three steps instead of four. The Flute priests were very angry and called at the woman to run. She started, and her husband started after her. "You shall always follow each other this way," the Flute priests said. They both ran westward, and are still running in that way. The two stars, Nangö'sohu pursue each other because one constantly follows the other, sometimes overtaking it and then again remaining behind, are these two personages. Footnotes: Told by Lománömtiwa (Oraíbi). [1] Phellopterus multinerva. Abstract: How The Circle (Póngo) Katcina And His Wife Became Stars. Maiden who refuses to marry watches maidens playing game. Young man dressed in blue Hopi blanket comes by and talks with her. in evening while she grinds corn, Katcina comes to Village and dances. Next morning maiden goes to same place and again youth joins her. She consents to marry him if parents willing. He is to come and get her next day. He tells her that he is Katcina who dances. In evening Katcina again comes dancing and singing. Mána's parents consent to marriage, and she takes tray of meal to meet him. They proceed together to kiva where are many different Katcinas. Youth is Circle Katcina. Here they remain until mána's bridal costume finished, and then she goes home followed by her husband. Woman bears two children who are Circle Katcinas. Once mother while husband away goes to edge of mesa. Hotóto Katcina comes and she goes away with him. Circle Katcina, finding his wife gone, takes children to Katcina house. After awhile father and two children go to find mother. They trace her to Sik'akva , where they find kiva, in which they remain over night and are fed by Haháii Wuhti, who sings that mother passed by there. In morning they proceed eastward and come to-Owl Spring, where they are entertained by another Haháii Wuhti. During night she goes to Ki'shiwuu where Katcinas have dance. p. 283 She returns, and three Circle Katcinas go and dance. Next morning Haháii Wuhti goes to another dance. She returns and tells them mother is there. They go and dance on plaza, and on return meet mother, who goes with them. At nightfall father sends children on and then kills wife by thrusting stick into her throat. He follows sons, but skeleton of wife follows and he runs away. He arrives at Háno, and goes into kiva where women who are making jugs hide him under pile of clay. Skeleton comes and finds him and he runs away. He goes into kiva at Wálpi, where war dance is being practiced. He is given drum, but Skeleton comes, and he rushes out to Mishóngnovi. He rushes into kiva where women are making trays for Lagón ceremony. Woman seats him in her lap and hides him under tray. Skeleton arrives and drives women about. Man rushes out and runs to Shongópavi, where same thing takes place. From here he runs to Matö'vi where Flute Society has ceremony. They tell him to go into spring and hide in top of sunflower stalk. When Skeleton comes, Flute priest tells her husband has gone into spring. She enters and sees sunflower stalk reflected in water and her husband on top of it. Thinking he is in water, she dives in and disappears, Man comes down and joins Flute players. On fourth day woman comes out of water dressed in bridal costume. Priests call two together and place them back to back. They make roads with sacred meal, one south and other north, and tell them to proceed four steps and then turn and meet again. Man returns when he has taken three steps. Priests call on woman to run. She starts and husband after her. They are still running and are two stars. Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, Anthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public domain.

How The Clans Came To Be – Creek In the beginning, the Muscogee people were born out of the earth itself. They crawled up out of the ground through a hole like ants. In those days, they lived in a far western land beside tan mountains that reached the sky. They called the mountains the backbone of the earth. Then a thick fog descended upon the earth, sent by the Master of Breath, Esakitaummesee. The Muscogee people could not see. They wandered around blindly, calling out to one another in fear. They drifted apart and became lost. The whole people were separated into small groups, and these groups stayed close to one another in fear of being entirely alone. Finally, the Master had mercy on them. From the eastern edge of the world, where the sun rises, he began to blow away the fog. He blew and blew until the fog was completely gone. The people were joyful and sang a hymn of thanksgiving to the Master of Breath. And in each of the groups, the people turned to one another and swore eternal brotherhood. They said that from then on these groups would be like large families. The members of each group would be as close to each other as brother and sister, father and son. The group that was farthest east and first to see the sun, praised the wind that had blown the fog away. They called themselves the Wind Family, or Wind Clan. As the fog moved away from the other groups, they, too, gave themselves names. Each group chose the name of the first animal it saw. So they became the Bear, Deer, Alligator, Raccoon, and Bird Clans. However, the Wind Clan was always considered the first clan and the aristocracy of all the clans. The Master-of-Breath spoke to them: "You are the beginning of each one of your families and clans. Live up to your name. Never eat of your own clan, for it is your brother. You must never marry into your own clan. This will destroy your clan if you do. When an Indian brave marries, he must always move with his wife to her clan. There he must live and raise his family. The children will become members of their mother's clan. Follow these ways and the Muskhogeans will always be a powerful force. When you forget, your clans will die as people." http://www.indianlegend.com/creek/creek_001.htm

Me too

I read about dreams and strangely enough my dreams come true so much I have tried to stop them. I sat with mom during the last years of her life and I asked her if she'd had ever dreamed and that they came true. It turned out that not only did she do this but her father, her grandfather and his grandfather also did. My daughter's dreams occur too. At first I thought it could be a trait that my ancestors may have came from one of those countries that believe in fey, like Wales. But my grandfather's immediate grandparents on both sides were said to descend from Native American Indians and I have been told by my other grandfather that his mother and grandparents were "Indians". The father came from TN and my grandfather'other grandmother's last name was on a roll of Native American Indians. Neither of my grandparents would talk about this "Indian" situation. Since both were in Texas before the Trail of Tears, and one set came from TN, another MS/AL and of course my Weeks were from the Carolinas and had left there way before 1800's. I've heard stories and from all accounts there are more than one Nation connected to my family, though I have no idea which. I did ask once and was told the bad kind but the person I asked was not NA. It is very frustrating to hit these deadends. I can not find my grandfather Crawford's grandmother Mary Wall (or so I've been told) who married Joseph Barley from TN. She was from AL and is the one who told her married daughters that she was going to Oklahoma to be with her people. If anyone knows anything about her I'd would love to find out more about her and what happened to her. Adiene Humble

What a neat & special family history & experiences -----Original Message----- From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:31 PM To: CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cherokee Circle] Cheerykey Hope this is not OT? (learned that from my grands and grgrands) Daddy used to tell me his people were Cheerykey (remember the accent is from both S GA and N FL) and he was naming me Cheenkypeen as he now saw signs of what I was. Daddy said the shape and color of my eyes were that of the nut from the Cheenkypeen tree so clearly that is who I should be. I was about age two at the time. As an adult, I happened upon a Chinkapin/Chinquapin tree, saw the nut for the first time (that I remembered) and realized that was the name Daddy had given me. At some point, after leaving my home areas, I heard the word Cherokee and also came to realize that Daddy had told me his people were of the Cherokee, rather than of the Cheerykey. I am asking if any readers have ever heard of such a naming custom among the Cherokee? As I age, I find myself more and more curious about my roots and a growing desire to separate fact from legend in my own history. A Cherokee anthropologist looked at my nephew's YDNA and had a great deal to say about our "Native heritage", but there was no way of saying definitely that it was Cherokee. Several years ago, I had the great pleasure of attending an American Indian Women's Conference at University of NC at Pembroke in Robeson Co., NC. One of my daughters looks exactly like those Lumbee women; shape of face, color of hair, skin color, jaw, etc. That gave me the inspiration to delve further into my roots as Daddy's kinfolks were from NC. Well, in truth, I don't do the "delving" but leave that up to the younger ones. At the Conference, I was recognized as an Elder but could not sit at head table as I had not mentored any Native child(ren) in past year. However, the respect/deference shown me at table when the feather was passed took me back so many years. The silence, the attention as an Elder, or non-Elder, spoke evoked many memories. I learned from one of the Lumbee women that jalapenos cut up into the regular fried corn bread provides relief for those aches and pains that some Elders experience. For several years now, I have been adding jalapenos to my fried corn bread and I have known much relief. It is my daily breakfast and/or supper. Another walk down memory lane. Fran Chinkapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hope this is not OT? (learned that from my grands and grgrands) Daddy used to tell me his people were Cheerykey (remember the accent is from both S GA and N FL) and he was naming me Cheenkypeen as he now saw signs of what I was. Daddy said the shape and color of my eyes were that of the nut from the Cheenkypeen tree so clearly that is who I should be. I was about age two at the time. As an adult, I happened upon a Chinkapin/Chinquapin tree, saw the nut for the first time (that I remembered) and realized that was the name Daddy had given me. At some point, after leaving my home areas, I heard the word Cherokee and also came to realize that Daddy had told me his people were of the Cherokee, rather than of the Cheerykey. I am asking if any readers have ever heard of such a naming custom among the Cherokee? As I age, I find myself more and more curious about my roots and a growing desire to separate fact from legend in my own history. A Cherokee anthropologist looked at my nephew's YDNA and had a great deal to say about our "Native heritage", but there was no way of saying definitely that it was Cherokee. Several years ago, I had the great pleasure of attending an American Indian Women's Conference at University of NC at Pembroke in Robeson Co., NC. One of my daughters looks exactly like those Lumbee women; shape of face, color of hair, skin color, jaw, etc. That gave me the inspiration to delve further into my roots as Daddy's kinfolks were from NC. Well, in truth, I don't do the "delving" but leave that up to the younger ones. At the Conference, I was recognized as an Elder but could not sit at head table as I had not mentored any Native child(ren) in past year. However, the respect/deference shown me at table when the feather was passed took me back so many years. The silence, the attention as an Elder, or non-Elder, spoke evoked many memories. I learned from one of the Lumbee women that jalapenos cut up into the regular fried corn bread provides relief for those aches and pains that some Elders experience. For several years now, I have been adding jalapenos to my fried corn bread and I have known much relief. It is my daily breakfast and/or supper. Another walk down memory lane. Fran Chinkapin

Dont think I speeled it right, it says on one census Lillie Foot -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Have you looked on the 1880 census or the 1900 census? She could possibly e on the 1880 census depending on when, exactly, she was born. Look for a arriage record with the husband's name and Lily ___ assuming that is her arried name? In Alabama and Texas. She should have a death certificate nd that should have her parents name. Start with the most recent you have nd work your way back. I did a quick search on ancestry and got no hits....none at all...that's nusual Joyce Gaston Reece ----Original Message----- rom: Lisa ent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:48 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 k, Lily Foot born 1880 Alabama, thats all I have. I believed she probably assed in Tx, since thats where my family is from ----Original Message----- rom: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> o: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> ent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:39 pm ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 ot nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece ---Original Message----- om: Lisa nt: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM : cherokee@rootsweb.com bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly ot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- om: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> : cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> nt: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 oved the owl story and of your grandmother. nt from my iPhone n Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) --------------------------------------------------------------------- essage: 1 te: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 om: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs : cherokee@rootsweb.com ssage-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> ntent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 lue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not member that. hank you. ran inquapin n Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther lue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- rom: Alli :) ent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that xperience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are orrect and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I as about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my utstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, o I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and aybe e with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some f ur wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the round but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called hem hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got ome, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny aid oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not earn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I egged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, any moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house here our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully xpecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you ill, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about ooter's nd that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark n y skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman ho as called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman xplained bout the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not o ood, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by aving such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors now by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out nd about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran hinquapin =====*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes n the subject and the body of the message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------- essage: 2 te: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 om: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> bject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi : <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, herokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> ssage-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> ntent-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" OW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi al?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also ing. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went n to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity th another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap rds. y again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and e kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not ap ds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap ds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and t h things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave m to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal d which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi ldren to catch birds there, and after that! e children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe y are catching birds there still. ootnotes: old by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). bstract: OW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. hildren living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. y are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not ap ds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from ?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After t, children from both villages always catch birds there raditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, hropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public ain? ---------------------------- o contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to EROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. o post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to ROKEE@rootsweb.com. _________________________________________________________ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com th the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body ail with no additional text. nd of CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 ************************************* =====*====== t archives p://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ---------------------------- nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com h the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of message =====*====== st archives tp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes the subject and the body of the message =====*====== st archives tp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com th the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Yes, her husband was Wilson Jordan. I have some stuff through census on her, but not much. I am trying so hard. She is my stopper, lol. I came across another paper that said Lily Blackfoot.. Not sure.. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Have you looked on the 1880 census or the 1900 census? She could possibly e on the 1880 census depending on when, exactly, she was born. Look for a arriage record with the husband's name and Lily ___ assuming that is her arried name? In Alabama and Texas. She should have a death certificate nd that should have her parents name. Start with the most recent you have nd work your way back. I did a quick search on ancestry and got no hits....none at all...that's nusual Joyce Gaston Reece ----Original Message----- rom: Lisa ent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:48 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 k, Lily Foot born 1880 Alabama, thats all I have. I believed she probably assed in Tx, since thats where my family is from ----Original Message----- rom: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> o: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> ent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:39 pm ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 ot nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece ---Original Message----- om: Lisa nt: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM : cherokee@rootsweb.com bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly ot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- om: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> : cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> nt: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 oved the owl story and of your grandmother. nt from my iPhone n Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) --------------------------------------------------------------------- essage: 1 te: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 om: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> bject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs : cherokee@rootsweb.com ssage-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> ntent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 lue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not member that. hank you. ran inquapin n Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther lue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- rom: Alli :) ent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that xperience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are orrect and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I as about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my utstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, o I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and aybe e with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some f ur wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the round but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called hem hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got ome, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny aid oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not earn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I egged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, any moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house here our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully xpecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you ill, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about ooter's nd that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark n y skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman ho as called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman xplained bout the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not o ood, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by aving such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors now by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out nd about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran hinquapin =====*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes n the subject and the body of the message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------- essage: 2 te: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 om: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> bject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi : <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, herokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> ssage-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> ntent-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" OW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi al?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also ing. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went n to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity th another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap rds. y again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and e kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not ap ds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap ds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and t h things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave m to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal d which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi ldren to catch birds there, and after that! e children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe y are catching birds there still. ootnotes: old by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). bstract: OW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. hildren living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. y are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not ap ds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from ?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After t, children from both villages always catch birds there raditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, hropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public ain? ---------------------------- o contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to EROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. o post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to ROKEE@rootsweb.com. _________________________________________________________ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com th the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body ail with no additional text. nd of CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 ************************************* =====*====== t archives p://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ---------------------------- nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com h the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of message =====*====== st archives tp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes the subject and the body of the message =====*====== st archives tp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com th the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message ======*====== ist archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Have you looked on the 1880 census or the 1900 census? She could possibly be on the 1880 census depending on when, exactly, she was born. Look for a marriage record with the husband's name and Lily ___ assuming that is her married name? In Alabama and Texas. She should have a death certificate and that should have her parents name. Start with the most recent you have and work your way back. I did a quick search on ancestry and got no hits....none at all...that's unusual Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:48 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Ok, Lily Foot born 1880 Alabama, thats all I have. I believed she probably passed in Tx, since thats where my family is from -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Not nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece ----Original Message----- rom: Lisa ent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly oot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- rom: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> o: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> ent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 oved the owl story and of your grandmother. ent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 rom: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs o: cherokee@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not emember that. Thank you. Fran hinquapin n Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that experience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------- Message: 2 ate: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 rom: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> ubject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi o: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> essage-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also ving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went wn to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in e spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity ith e another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap irds. ey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and he 'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not rap rds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap rds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and ot ch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave em to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal f od which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi ildren to catch birds there, and after that! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe ey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. ey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not rap rds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from v?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After at, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, thropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public main? ----------------------------- To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to HEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Ok, Lily Foot born 1880 Alabama, thats all I have. I believed she probably passed in Tx, since thats where my family is from -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Not nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece ----Original Message----- rom: Lisa ent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM o: cherokee@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly oot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- rom: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> o: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> ent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 oved the owl story and of your grandmother. ent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 rom: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> ubject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs o: cherokee@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not emember that. Thank you. Fran hinquapin n Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that experience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------- Message: 2 ate: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 rom: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> ubject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi o: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> essage-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also ving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went wn to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in e spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity ith e another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap irds. ey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and he 'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not rap rds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap rds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and ot ch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave em to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal f od which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi ildren to catch birds there, and after that! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe ey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. ey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not rap rds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from v?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After at, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, thropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public main? ----------------------------- To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to HEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Not nearly enough information Lisa....who, what, when, where? Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:36 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 I need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly Foot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- From: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not remember that. Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Wow......fantastic experience. > > Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that > experience. > > Thank you for sharing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are > correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. > > I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I > was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my > outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, > so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and > maybe > me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some > of > our wild things. > > Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the > ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called > them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got > home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny > said oh, my! Oh, my! > > Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not > learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I > begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, > many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house > where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully > expecting the baby to die overnight. > > To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you > will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about > Hooter's > and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. > > Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark > on > my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman > who > was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman > explained > about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not > so > good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by > having such an outstanding bird sign. > > When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors > know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out > and about day-time. > > Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also iving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went own to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in he spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with ne another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. hey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the ?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap irds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap irds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got uch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave hem to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of ood which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi hildren to catch birds there, and after that! t! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe hey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. hey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap irds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from iv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After hat, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, nthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public omain? ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to HEROKEE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he email with no additional text. 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I need a way to trck my cherokee family. My great grandmother was Lilly Foot. How can I get the information? -----Original Message----- From: Adiene Humble <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not remember that. Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Wow......fantastic experience. > > Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that > experience. > > Thank you for sharing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are > correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. > > I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I > was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my > outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, > so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and > maybe > me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of > our wild things. > > Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the > ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called > them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got > home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny > said oh, my! Oh, my! > > Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not > learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I > begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, > many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house > where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully > expecting the baby to die overnight. > > To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you > will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's > and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. > > Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on > my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who > was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman > explained > about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not > so > good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by > having such an outstanding bird sign. > > When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors > know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out > and about day-time. > > Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, "indigenous_peoples_literature" <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also iving. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went own to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in he spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with ne another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. hey again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the ?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap irds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap irds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got uch things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave hem to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of ood which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi hildren to catch birds there, and after that! t! ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe hey are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. hey are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap irds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from iv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After hat, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, nthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public omain? ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to HEROKEE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he email with no additional text. 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Loved the owl story and of your grandmother. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, cherokee-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hawk signs (Fran West-Powe) > 2. HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO > CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi (Blue Panther) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:11:41 -0500 > From: Fran West-Powe <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKjSzTi5m_LKZRikFibaksne9c6Jk=xC8ic2-jXComaqVMTLiQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not > remember that. > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > >> Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alli :) >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM >> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs >> >> Wow......fantastic experience. >> >> Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that >> experience. >> >> Thank you for sharing >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> >> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs >> >> Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are >> correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. >> >> I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I >> was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my >> outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, >> so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and >> maybe >> me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of >> our wild things. >> >> Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the >> ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called >> them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got >> home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny >> said oh, my! Oh, my! >> >> Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not >> learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I >> begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, >> many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house >> where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully >> expecting the baby to die overnight. >> >> To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you >> will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's >> and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. >> >> Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on >> my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who >> was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman >> explained >> about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not >> so >> good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by >> having such an outstanding bird sign. >> >> When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors >> know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out >> and about day-time. >> >> Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. >> >> Fran >> Chinquapin >> >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======*====== >> List archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:16:17 -0600 > From: "Blue Panther" <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> > Subject: [Cherokee Circle] HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED > PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi > To: <cherokee@rootsweb.com>, "CherokeeChat" > <CherokeeChat@yahoogroups.com>, <CherokeeMAINVillage@yahoogroups.com>, > "Dan Perry" <runningtree@mediacombb.net>, > "indigenous_peoples_literature" > <indigenous_peoples_literature@yahoogroups.com>, > <littlewolfstraditions@yahoogroups.com>, "Native_Village" > <Native_village@yahoogroups.com>, "redroad" > <Tradition_OF_The_Redroad@yahoogroups.com>, "summonthewolf" > <summonthewolf@yahoogroups.com> > Message-ID: <CC4807E908644A00B2CE8FBB024DE2D7@BearsdenPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS ? Hopi > > Hal?ksai! At H?'kovi they were living, and at Piv?nhonk'api they were also living. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went down to Mum?shva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in the spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with one another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. They again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the H?'kovi children said to the children of Piv?nhonk'api that they should not trap birds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap birds there. So the children from Piv?nhonk'api ran back to the village and got such things as k?t?'ki, p?ki, and different other articles of food, and gave them to the children of H?'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of food which they had purchased for the permission given to the Piv?nhonkapi children to catch birds there, and after that! t! > ! he children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe they are catching birds there still. > > Footnotes: > > Told by Kw?yeshva (Ora?bi). > > Abstract: > > HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIV?NHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. > > Children living at Hukovi and at Piv?nhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. They are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap birds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from Piv?nhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After that, children from both villages always catch birds there > > Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, Anthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public domain? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEE list administrator, send an email to > CHEROKEE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHEROKEE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 > *************************************** >

HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIVÁNHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS – Hopi Halíksai! At Hû'kovi they were living, and at Pivánhonk'api they were also living. At both places there were a great many children, and they always went down to Mumúshva (a spring named after a certain herb and grass that grows in the spring), where they were setting bird traps. They were often at enmity with one another on account of the birds. One morning they again went to trap birds. They again became very angry at one another on account of the trapping, and the Hû'kovi children said to the children of Pivánhonk'api that they should not trap birds there. But they said if they would give them something they could trap birds there. So the children from Pivánhonk'api ran back to the village and got such things as kûtû'ki, píki, and different other articles of food, and gave them to the children of Hû'kovi, so that the latter carried home a great deal of food which they had purchased for the permission given to the Pivánhonkapi children to catch birds there, and after that the children from both villages were always catching birds there, and maybe they are catching birds there still. Footnotes: Told by Kwáyeshva (Oraíbi). Abstract: HOW THE CHILDREN OF PIVÁNHONK'API OBTAINED PERMISSION TO CATCH BIRDS. Children living at Hukovi and at Pivánhonk'api go to spring to trap birds. They are angry with each other. Hukovi children tell others they will not trap birds there, but that they can if they give them something. Children from Pivánhonk'api go and get food, which they give to children from Hukovi. After that, children from both villages always catch birds there Traditions of the Hopi, by H.R. Voth. Field Columbian Museum Publication 96, Anthropological Series Vol VIII. Chicago. [1905] and is now in the public domain’

Buffalo Field Campaign PO Box 957 West Yellowstone, MT 59758 http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org bfc-media@wildrockies.org Yellowstone Bison Update from the Field January 23, 2013 *You can view the HTML version of the Update from the Field, which includes photos and hyperlinks, at http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org Just in time for the new year, stunning Wild Bison 2014 Calendars -- ORDER TODAY! https://org.salsalabs.com/o/2426/t/11564/shop/item.jsp?storefront_KEY=554&t=&store_item_KEY=4649 * Volunteers Needed! Intense Field Season Expected in Wild Bison Country * Update from the Field * TAKE ACTION! New Alerts for Important Issues! * Wild Bison Calendars! 2014 in Stock; Accepting Photos, Art, Poems for 2015! * "In the Presence of Buffalo" Receives Another Grand Review! * Buffalo in the News * By the Numbers * Last Words of Buffalo Inspiration ~ James A. Bailey ******************** * VOLUNTEERS NEEDED! Intense Field Season Expected in Wild Bison Country! Buffalo Field Campaign invites you to join us on the front lines, here on the edge of the world's first national park, to defend America's last wild buffalo. Government agencies are planning to capture and kill hundreds of wild bison this season. Yellowstone National Park is poised to trap wild buffalo inside the park and hand them over to tribal officials for direct shipment to slaughter facilities. Yellowstone may also give wild buffalo to the USDA-Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service for experimental use in a controversial birth control project. Hunting has already taken the lives of eighty-one buffalo, and more will likely be killed as hunting continues through mid-spring. After all of these intensive actions against wild bison, heavy-handed hazing operations will take place during the heart of calving season. If you can spare a couple of weeks, a month, or stay with us for the rest of the season, we need your participation. BFC provides room, board, gear and training. 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Blue Panther, no, I did not know that, or likely, at my age, do not remember that. Thank you. Fran Chinquapin On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net>wrote: > Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Wow......fantastic experience. > > Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that > experience. > > Thank you for sharing > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are > correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. > > I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I > was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my > outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, > so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and > maybe > me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of > our wild things. > > Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the > ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called > them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got > home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny > said oh, my! Oh, my! > > Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not > learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I > begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, > many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house > where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully > expecting the baby to die overnight. > > To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you > will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's > and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. > > Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on > my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who > was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman > explained > about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not > so > good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by > having such an outstanding bird sign. > > When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors > know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out > and about day-time. > > Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for the reminder as it is often forgotten William Threerivers -----Original Message----- From: Blue Panther <Blue_Panther@otelco.net> To: cherokee <cherokee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Remember the Owl in cherokee is the eagle of the night. -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:03 PM To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Wow......fantastic experience. Its enlightening & entertaining........that's just amazing to have that experience. Thank you for sharing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Fran, It is a lovely story. Made my eyes wet.:} I think if you speak quietly and make no threatening moves, many birds and animals become sort of mesmerized and listen. When they realize you are not going to hurt them, they become attached to you in some way and you with them. I find that with young children , too. If a child sees you coming toward it fast and loud and grab it up in your arms, it starts screaming, flailing its arms and legs trying to get away:} But sit, away a bit and talk to him/her softly and then after a few minutes find an object and pick it up and hold it out to him, he will come forward to get it. Then sit there and talk about it and soon the little guy will be over leaning against you. Thank you for your story Fran.:} All the best Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran West-Powe" <fwestpowe@gmail.com> To: cherokee@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:53:50 PM Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs Alli, thank you for relating your experience. I begin to suspect you are correct and that non-Native People also receive bird/animal signs. I will write about my owl sign: it's been a long, long time but I think I was about four or five years old when a baby owl came and sat on my outstretched legs as I sat playing in the dirt. Its talons didn't hurt me, so I just sat still waiting for its mother to come and swoop it up and maybe me with it. Not sure I was afraid just knowledgeable of the ways of some of our wild things. Anyway, the baby owl didn't leave me. Sometimes it hopped around on the ground but did not stray far; nor did its mother come to get it. We called them hoot owls but have no idea of the real name of the bird. When I got home, the baby owl was on my arm, clutching, but not hurting me. My Granny said oh, my! Oh, my! Granny told me that if I brought the baby owl into the house, it would not learn to feed and care for itself, so I had to leave him/it outside. I begged her to let me stay outside with my owl but she was firm. (Now many, many moons later, I understand.) I set it down on a post near the house where our gourds grew, went inside and cried myself to sleep, fully expecting the baby to die overnight. To shorten a years long story, my owl survived and, laugh at this if you will, I named it Hooter. My grands and grgrands have told me about Hooter's and that I should not reveal the name of my owl. Hooter never ceased flying to me and sitting on me, never leaving a mark on my skin and that alone is miraculous. My Granny consulted another woman who was called, as best I can write it, a see-er or seeehr. This woman explained about the meaning of my bird sign, some of the meaning was good, some not so good, at least as applied to a human being. But I am blessed, said she, by having such an outstanding bird sign. When my Granny passed on to our world beyond, Hooter let all the neighbors know by hooting all night and into the day, a rarity for the owl to be out and about day-time. Maybe this will be either entertaining or enlightening. Fran Chinquapin On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think animal signs are limited to just Native Americans. > > They are more apt to understand the significance behind it & now that its > been explained a bit of what the "sign" is, I should have figured it out. > Just didn't make any sense to me at the time. > > Years ago, a Bald Eagle came to me in a "dream" & then shortly there after > we moved to where we're currently living & I saw almost the exact same > "sign" I had received in my "dreams" I've have seen the Bald eagle 3 times > since being out here for 13 yrs. > > But we also have Hawks (Red Tail & Swanson's) And owls out here. We had an > Owl come to a tree in our yard in the day time & stay. I told him to that > he > was welcome to stay around here as long as he/she left my chickens, baby > goats & cats alone.....it could have all the snakes, mice & other rodents > around the yard it wanted. > > It acknowledged me when I made a clicking/clucking noise (like you would to > move a horse) & it came back of a night while I was out milking goats. > > Never noticed whether we lost any chickens to it & thankfully it never > messed with my smallest goat (she wasn't much bigger then our barred Rock > hens at the time) :) > > It was a beautiful great horned owl. > > Alli :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokee-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:06 AM > To: cherokee@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Hawk signs > > William Threerivers, I know not how to explain any better but will try > again. According to my Granny's beliefs, and consequently, my beliefs, any > animal or bird that shows a liking for a human being becomes the sign for > that human being. That bird or that animal will guide his human to food, > water, whatever is necessary, if such is necessary. Sometimes in dreams > that > bird or animal sign will show things to come to his human friend. That bird > or animal sign remains with its human all the days of the human. In turn, > that human does not kill or harm any bird/animal of that species and > regularly reminds his sign, bird or animal, of his human gratitude. > > The statement above is not to be construed as worship. All have God to > worship. > > Now here are two things to point out: 1.) rarely in modern life does a > human > need being led to food and water, but back in my young days that could > sometimes happen 2.) having left my roots long ago, I do not often hear of > any human who has been blessed by an animal or bird sign, so when a person > approached and asked what I knew about the hawk sign I had to confess I did > not know. The male about whom my neighbor inquired was born in Germany of > German parents whose lineage goes back for generations, in Germany. I was > quite startled and unsure of what to say when the neighbor described in > detail the up close and personal (that from my great grands) signs the > German male had received from a hawk. > > My grands told me of these rootsweb Native lists so I thought that here is > the place to gather information. From some of the writers who have related > their encounters with bird/animal, I have concluded that these kinds of > encounters do happen to folks from all walks of life and that I did not > know. > > And that brings me back to my original inquiry: what does the hawk sign > represent to a German male who at this time of life is suffering? > > Thank you. > > Fran > Chinquapin > > > ======*====== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======*====== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message