In a message dated 06/06/2004 4:43:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Stub53usmc writes: I read everthing that comes in concerning our Chase/Chace e-mail...however, every once in a while ..something comes in that is real exciting to me..such is the case in the e-mail from Barry Price..in Vancover..which reads in part.. "Looking for the children of the above couple..(Thomas/Hope Terry Chase). They are the children of Obed and Phebe Hathaway Chase..and James and Phebe Chase respectfully..Thanks for any help that you can give.." Just a note...coming down the Thomas Chase/Chace side of the family..up until Thomas married Hopey..he was in the Chase spelling ..going back to William 1..When he married Hopey Chace..he changed his name to spell Chace.. The same as Hopey...This was frequently the case in the early 1800's.. Many of my records show that Chaces born in Bristol County (Freetown, Assonet, Fall River, Swansea, Somerset, Rehoboth etc..) who left the County and moved to the Cape (Yarmouth, Dennis , West Harwich etc) changed their spelling to Chase for convenience sake..since everyone was named Chase..likewise, those coming from the Cape to Bristol County, changed their name to Chace..because there were very few Chases..and almost everyone was named Chace. I can provide documentation in these facts because it is stated in several early geneology books...concerning the Chase/Chace history...legal proceedings were not required to make the change..and for those of us who got into this geneolgy trail early ..it was very confusing...In the cemetary behind Christ Church in Swansea..where I cut the grass as a 14 yr old Sexton in the War Years of !943-45..Many of the graves will have the fathers name as Chase..yet all the children names as Chace..There are many cemetaries in Swansea..and it is very difficult to find grave markers with the spelling of Chase. I have several early maps of Swansea circa 1850..and there are no Chases recorded in any of the houses marked on the maps.. I would like to repeat what my son ( A Commodore in the US Navy) and I have concluded about the Chase/Chace spelling of our names.. The book..."Some of the Descendents of William Chase of Roxbury and Yarmouth, Mass." It contains the names and families for 196 descendents of William Chase. No where in the list of over a thousand names is the name of Chace to be found. Over the years, having grown up in Swansea and living close to Freetown and my son being in the Navy and having spent several tours in Newport, RI ..between the two of us we have had the opprotunity to visit the graves sites of all our ancestors going back to William 1..This is not so on the Thomas Chace side of the family..although my nephew, John Chace ..the son of my brother..Chaplain Colonel Alston Chace, USAF ..has found most of these graves. I have taken pictures of almost all of these sites and what these pictures show is as follows: `George Bedford Chase (Walter3, Benjamin2 and William 1) had 16 that is sixteen ..children. He was born in Freetown in 1719 and died in Smithfield RI in 1784 . He married in Freetown in 1741 to Mary Strange... daughter of Lot and Hannah (Hathaway) Strange... (It is quite clear in my research , a most frequent marriages during this time was Chases/Chaces ....to Hathaways One of the children born to George and Mary was Greenfield Chase.. in 1754..He is my great,great,great great Grandfather....ie Frank Chace, my father. Ellery Chace my grandfather, Hiram Chace, my great grandfather, Thomas Chase/Chace, my great, great, grandfather, Capt James Chace, (Ship Captain) my great, great, great grandfather, Greenfield Chase/Chace, my great, great, great ,great grandfather.. It is this grandfather that my early Chace relatives selected for our entry into the DAR and SAR. My Aunt Marion Chace used to apologizes to me for the selection of Greenfield as our sponsor into the DAR and SAR. ( because there were others Chase/Chaces with a more exciting participation in the Rebellion.) Just like his brothers who remained loyal to the Colonies and were Whigs, Greenfield joined Capt's Benjamin Read's (Freetown Company) and Col. John Hathaways Regmt. He enlisted Aug 2 1780 and was discharged Aug 7, 1780..service..6 days on alarm at Rhode Island (Taken from Full Context of Massssachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Rebellion 17 Vols ..Vol 3 page 351 So it was that several other Chases answered the call to include, Gilbert (brother), George, (brother), Edward, (brother), Bradley, Augustus, Darius, Ebenezer.and Fairfax (son of Abiel Chase.) Greenfield and his brothers are buried in the Hathaway Cemetery in Assonet...and what is more important..the Chases who went into the Revolutionary War and enlisted under the name of Chase..were buried as Chace,... Also included in the Cemetery named "Chace" is Azel Chace...who is listed as being in the War of the Rebellion. Also in the Rounsville Cemetery are Albert E Chace and Seth H Chace. My point is that almost all of the Chases in Freetown who enlisted under the name of Chase...are buried under the name of Chace. My son and I believe this was done to separate their name from that of other family members who remained loyal to the Crown and were Tories. Somewhere in my notes is a story of a Chase who was a Tory who was caught hiding arms for the British and he was tared and feathered in Taunton, Mass. Tories who went on trial May 31st 1777 were...George Chase and George Chase Jr. Ammi Chase, is included in the list of Prisoners on board the gun ship "Adams." Just to point put the division between Tories and Whigs..from the History Of Freetown..July 30th 1902.. "The war cloud of the Revolution was now gathering on the horizon and the far-sighted of the colonist were preparing for a storm, a history of which comes down to us largely by old tradition and the grandmother's tales of "Whigs and Tories.".....people bitterly divided on the question at issue....In that part of our town annexed to us from Tiverton in 1747 and still known a s New freetown, a company of minutemen were training, under Captain Levi Rounsville and making ready for the call that would be sounded in the "Lexington Alarm." Southward the dozen households located along the plunging Quequechan were watchful and brave, liberty men all. who, later in the conflict proved themselves competent to defenf their own against the marines of England. But while the southern and eastern portions of the town were preparing to contest the rule of the mother country, the village of Assonet, under the master spirit of old Colonel Gilbert, held loyal to the crown..... Captain George Chase (son of George Bedford Chase) was the Moderator of a meeting (Province of Ye Massachusetts Bay...Bristol ..January 1774.....Resolved the following... "1st That it is ye Duty of this Town at this time to Express our sentiments in matters which so nearly Concern us more spedely, as there appears to be Reason to fear there is a Spirit of Anarchy, Disorder and Confusion prevailing in sum parts of the this Province." 2nd Resolved , That ye Body of People at Boston on ye 16th Day of December last, taking upon themselves the Stile and Appelation of a Body of People who did not Indeavor to prevent a number of people (in Indian Dress od Disguise) from acting there Savage Nature in ye Destruction of ye Tea aforsd, as we Apprehend, was not doeing their Duety, but was Contrary to Law and we fear will bring upon the Vengeance of an Affronted Majesty, and also plunge us in Debt and Misery when ye Injured owners of sd. Tea shall make there Demand for ye Vallue of ye Same." There were two more similiar resolutions.. It goes on to state that they in this Town of Assonet.."do hereby declare that we Abhor, Detest and for Ever bare out Testimony against the proceding of ye Body and Indians aforsd. or any others have or shall act in ant Riotous manner, it being so very Contrary to ye Spirit of our Laws and ye Liberty of the People." On week before the battles of Lexington and Concord...the Whig Towns of the County mustered their forces and marched them two thousand strong upon the "detested" village, dispersed the Tory Battalion and compelled its leaders to seek safety in flight. (Village was Assonet) It is truly too bad that the history of the Rebellion does not reflect more credit on the Whigs of Bristol County..before the action took place in Lexington and Concord.. they clearly were involved with the Rebellion before Boston etc. There is quite a bit more that I could write about concerning the strong feelings between the Whigs and Tories...Is it any wonder why Greenfield would not take exception to his brother George who was the Moderator at th Tory meeting? Is it any wonder that the Chases who answered the Call came home and changed their name to Chace....and to do so to recognize their allegiance to the new Country? Since I startd to write about our opinion as to why the Chase name became Chace and the proliferation of the Chace name from about 1775... I have received several e-mails still defendinfg the fact that Chase became Chace through clerical error in Freetown..and these e-mails were less than sympathetic to my explanation.. I have no doubt that somewhere clerical errors were made..just as I have spent a lifetime convincing people that my name is spelled with two "C's" ..however, just as Greenfield changed his name..all of his children...he and Sarah had 11 eleven......so it was that his son James, for example, who married his second cousin Phebe Chase, they had 17 seventeen.. children Gilbert, Greenfield's brother had 8 eight children...A son of Gilbert, Allen had 8 children.. Edward, Geenfields brother had 12 children... a son Edward had 9..another son Philip had 9..Another son Walter had 5..and another son George had 11 James Chase a Tory....brother of Grenfield..born in Freetown in 1744 married Betty Douglass in 1766...moved to New Brunswick had 12 children named Chase.. His son James had 6.....his son Seth had 12.. his son Daniel had 5.. His son James had 11...so here you have 46 Chases ..whose name did not change .. As for the reason I started out to answer Barry Price from Vancover about Hopey Chace marrying Thomas Chase/Chace From the office of the City Clerk in Fall River, Mass.... Registered # 634 Date of death..December 9, 1871 Name..Hopey Terry Chace Age 59 yrs 6 months Cause of death Tphoid Fever Residence.. South Main Street Place of Death.. Fall River, Mass. Place of Burial..Oak Grove Cemetery Name of Father James Mother Phebe Date of Record..Dec 28, 1871 Reg. # 360 Date of Death June 24th, 1872 Name Thomas Chace Age 62 yrs 5 months 27 days Cause of Death ..Consumption Residence Osborn St. Place of death Fall River Mass Place of Burial Oak Grove Occupation..Mule Spinner Place of Birth Dennis, Cape Cod Name of Father Obed Name of mother Sarah Date of Record july 18th, 1872 I have copies of these if needed.... Children Andrew 1840 1916 Hiram 1842 1907 married Annie Palmer Amy Hope Phoebe married Thomas Wilkerson Caroline married a Brownell Other interesting facts: On Greenfields grave In Memory Of Mr. Greenfield Chace OiBi March 29th 1810 AE'T 56 years "Depart my friends, Wipe you tears. Here I ...lie.. Till the Christ appears" Sarah's Grave Sarah Chase Wife of Greenfield departed this life April 3,1841 Note: Sarah did not change her name to Chace Hopey and Thomas graves are marked "Mother and Father" They are buried right next to my father and mother Frank and Alice Chace in Oak Grove Cemetery, Fall River.. Also there are Hopey and Thomas' sons Andrew and Hiram and others of the Chace family I have pictures of most graves from William 1 down to my parents...but not all From William Chase 1 2 Benjamin Chase b 1639 Roxbury Mass...................William Chase Jr (Willy) 1627 3 Walter Chaseb Freetown 1684 ......................John Chase b.1649 Yarmouth 4 George Bedford Chase b 1719 Freetown ........... Thomas Chase b. 1679 Yarmouth 5 Greenfield Chace b 1754 Freetown .......... Joseph Chase b, 1718 Yarmouth 6 James Chace b 1786 Freetown ................. Joseph Jr. 1744 Yarmouth 7.....................................................................Obed b 1772 Yarmouth 8 Hopey Terry Chace b 1811 Freetown Thomas Chase/Chace 1808 Dennis 9 Hiram King Chace b1824 Freetown 10 Ellery Wyatt Chace b 1873 Fall River 11 Frank Clinton Chace b1905 Fall River 12 Frank Clinton Chace Jr b 1929 Fall River 13 Christopher Bruce Chace b1954 Fall River 14 Stephen Deane Chace b 1957 15. Stephen Deane Chace Jr, b.1986 San Diego Calif 16. Alexander Chace b. 1988 Richmond Va Would be glad to work out a way of getting pictures or birth/marriage cetificates where needed..and help into DAR/SAR along my family lines.... can provide detailed location of William 1 and the Chase boys grave marker through the Civil War in West Harwich..Mass..including pictures and inscriptions on monument... I hope the information herein is helpful Colonel Frank Clinton Chace Jr US Marine Corps (Ret) my web site...click here.. http://web.infoave.net/~pgwar/stub.htm ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj:Exciting e-mail Chaces Date:06/06/2004 4:43:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time From:Stub53usmc To:prishep@telus.net, Meb42639, johnbats2@yahoo.com, timein@webtv.net, Raskad, ChaseDNAteam, Dougsherma, jchase@dc.rr.com, jenistyx@hamilton.net, k.hume3@ntlworld.com, chase1858@direcway.com, Renogen@peoplepc.com, munch@telus.net, Chase-L@rootsweb.com, kittom@swbell.net, PVoelker@compuserve.com, SMARTINoff, ajones@n-connect.net I read everthing that comes in concerning our Chase/Chace e-mail...however, every once in a while ..something comes in that is real exciting to me..such is the case in the e-mail from Barry Price..in Vancover..which reads in part.. "Looking for the children of the above couple..(Thomas/Hope Terry Chase). They are the children of Obed and Phebe Hathaway Chase..and James and Phebe Chase respectfully..Thanks for any help that you can give.." Just a note...coming down the Thomas Chase/Chace side of the family..up until Thomas married Hopey..he was in the Chase spelling ..going back to William 1..When he married Hopey Chace..he changed his name to spell Chace.. The same as Hopey...This was frequently the case in the early 1800's.. Many of my records show that Chaces born in Bristol County (Freetown, Assonet, Fall River, Swansea, Somerset, Rehoboth etc..) who left the County and moved to the Cape (Yarmouth, Dennis , West Harwich etc) changed their spelling to Chase for convenience sake..since everyone was named Chase..likewise, those coming from the Cape to Bristol County, changed their name to Chace..because there were very few Chases..and almost everyone was named Chace. I can provide documentation in these facts because it is stated in several early geneology books...concerning the Chase/Chace history...legal proceedings were not required to make the change..and for those of us who got into this geneolgy trail early ..it was very confusing...In the cemetary behind Christ Church in Swansea..where I cut the grass as a 14 yr old Sexton in the War Years of !943-45..Many of the graves will have the fathers name as Chase..yet all the children names as Chace..There are many cemetaries in Swansea..and it is very difficult to find grave markers with the spelling of Chase. I have several early maps of Swansea circa 1850..and there are no Chases recorded in any of the houses marked on the maps.. I would like to repeat what my son ( A Commodore in the US Navy) and I have concluded about the Chase/Chace spelling of our names.. The book..."Some of the Descendents of William Chase of Roxbury and Yarmouth, Mass." It contains the names and families for 196 descendents of William Chase. No where in the list of over a thousand names is the name of Chace to be found. Over the years, having grown up in Swansea and living close to Freetown and my son being in the Navy and having spent several tours in Newport, RI ..between the two of us we have had the opprotunity to visit the graves sites of all our ancestors going back to William 1..This is not so on the Thomas Chace side of the family..although my nephew, John Chace ..the son of my brother..Chaplain Colonel Alston Chace, USAF ..has found most of these graves. I have taken pictures of almost all of these sites and what these pictures show is as follows: `George Bedford Chase (Walter3, Benjamin2 and William 1) had 16 that is sixteen ..children. He was born in Freetown in 1719 and died in Smithfield RI in 1784 . He married in Freetown in 1741 to Mary Strange... daughter of Lot and Hannah (Hathaway) Strange... (It is quite clear in my research , a most frequent marriages during this time was Chases/Chaces ....to Hathaways One of the children born to George and Mary was Greenfield Chase.. in 1754..He is my great,great,great great Grandfather....ie Frank Chace, my father. Ellery Chace my grandfather, Hiram Chace, my great grandfather, Thomas Chase/Chace, my great, great, grandfather, Capt James Chace, (Ship Captain) my great, great, great grandfather, Greenfield Chase/Chace, my great, great, great ,great grandfather.. It is this grandfather that my early Chace relatives selected for our entry into the DAR and SAR. My Aunt Marion Chace used to apologizes to me for the selection of Greenfield as our sponsor into the DAR and SAR. ( because there were others Chase/Chaces with a more exciting participation in the Rebellion.) Just like his brothers who remained loyal to the Colonies and were Whigs, Greenfield joined Capt's Benjamin Read's (Freetown Company) and Col. John Hathaways Regmt. He enlisted Aug 2 1780 and was discharged Aug 7, 1780..service..6 days on alarm at Rhode Island (Taken from Full Context of Massssachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Rebellion 17 Vols ..Vol 3 page 351 So it was that several other Chases answered the call to include, Gilbert (brother), George, (brother), Edward, (brother), Bradley, Augustus, Darius, Ebenezer.and Fairfax (son of Abiel Chase.) Greenfield and his brothers are buried in the Hathaway Cemetery in Assonet...and what is more important..the Chases who went into the Revolutionary War and enlisted under the name of Chase..were buried as Chace,... Also included in the Cemetery named "Chace" is Azel Chace...who is listed as being in the War of the Rebellion. Also in the Rounsville Cemetery are Albert E Chace and Seth H Chace. My point is that almost all of the Chases in Freetown who enlisted under the name of Chase...are buried under the name of Chace. My son and I believe this was done to separate their name from that of other family members who remained loyal to the Crown and were Tories. Somewhere in my notes is a story of a Chase who was a Tory who was caught hiding arms for the British and he was tared and feathered in Taunton, Mass. Tories who went on trial May 31st 1777 were...George Chase and George Chase Jr. Ammi Chase, is included in the list of Prisoners on board the gun ship "Adams." Just to point put the division between Tories and Whigs..from the History Of Freetown..July 30th 1902.. "The war cloud of the Revolution was now gathering on the horizon and the far-sighted of the colonist were preparing for a storm, a history of which comes down to us largely by old tradition and the grandmother's tales of "Whigs and Tories.".....people bitterly divided on the question at issue....In that part of our town annexed to us from Tiverton in 1747 and still known a s New freetown, a company of minutemen were training, under Captain Levi Rounsville and making ready for the call that would be sounded in the "Lexington Alarm." Southward the dozen households located along the plunging Quequechan were watchful and brave, liberty men all. who, later in the conflict proved themselves competent to defenf their own against the marines of England. But while the southern and eastern portions of the town were preparing to contest the rule of the mother country, the village of Assonet, under the master spirit of old Colonel Gilbert, held loyal to the crown..... Captain George Chase (son of George Bedford Chase) was the Moderator of a meeting (Province of Ye Massachusetts Bay...Bristol ..January 1774.....Resolved the following... "1st That it is ye Duty of this Town at this time to Express our sentiments in matters which so nearly Concern us more spedely, as there appears to be Reason to fear there is a Spirit of Anarchy, Disorder and Confusion prevailing in sum parts of the this Province." 2nd Resolved , That ye Body of People at Boston on ye 16th Day of December last, taking upon themselves the Stile and Appelation of a Body of People who did not Indeavor to prevent a number of people (in Indian Dress od Disguise) from acting there Savage Nature in ye Destruction of ye Tea aforsd, as we Apprehend, was not doeing their Duety, but was Contrary to Law and we fear will bring upon the Vengeance of an Affronted Majesty, and also plunge us in Debt and Misery when ye Injured owners of sd. Tea shall make there Demand for ye Vallue of ye Same." There were two more similiar resolutions.. It goes on to state that they in this Town of Assonet.."do hereby declare that we Abhor, Detest and for Ever bare out Testimony against the proceding of ye Body and Indians aforsd. or any others have or shall act in ant Riotous manner, it being so very Contrary to ye Spirit of our Laws and ye Liberty of the People." On week before the battles of Lexington and Concord...the Whig Towns of the County mustered their forces and marched them two thousand strong upon the "detested" village, dispersed the Tory Battalion and compelled its leaders to seek safety in flight. (Village was Assonet) It is truly too bad that the history of the Rebellion does not reflect more credit on the Whigs of Bristol County..before the action took place in Lexington and Concord.. they clearly were involved with the Rebellion before Boston etc. There is quite a bit more that I could write about concerning the strong feelings between the Whigs and Tories...Is it any wonder why Greenfield would not take exception to his brother George who was the Moderator at th Tory meeting? Is it any wonder that the Chases who answered the Call came home and changed their name to Chace....and to do so to recognize their allegiance to the new Country? Since I startd to write about our opinion as to why the Chase name became Chace and the proliferation of the Chace name from about 1775... I have received several e-mails still defendinfg the fact that Chase became Chace through clerical error in Freetown..and these e-mails were less than sympathetic to my explanation.. I have no doubt that somewhere clerical errors were made..just as I have spent a lifetime convincing people that my name is spelled with two "C's" ..however, just as Greenfield changed his name..all of his children...he and Sarah had 11 eleven......so it was that his son James, for example, who married his second cousin Phebe Chase, they had 17 seventeen.. children Gilbert, Greenfield's brother had 8 eight children...A son of Gilbert, Allen had 8 children.. Edward, Geenfields brother had 12 children... a son Edward had 9..another son Philip had 9..Another son Walter had 5..and another son George had 11 James Chase a Tory....brother of Grenfield..born in Freetown in 1744 married Betty Douglass in 1766...moved to New Brunswick had 12 children named Chase.. His son James had 6.....his son Seth had 12.. his son Daniel had 5.. His son James had 11...so here you have 46 Chases ..whose name did not change .. As for the reason I started out to answer Barry Price from Vancover about Hop ey Chace marrying Thomas Chase/Chace From the office of the City Clerk in Fall River, Mass.... Registered # 634 Date of death..December 9, 1871 Name..Hopey Terry Chace Age 59 yrs 6 months Cause of death Tphoid Fever Residence.. South Main Street Place of Death.. Fall River, Mass. Place of Burial..Oak Grove Cemetery Name of Father James Mother Phebe Date of Record..Dec 28, 1871 Reg. # 360 Date of Death June 24th, 1872 Name Thomas Chace Age 62 yrs 5 months 27 days Cause of Death ..Consumption Residence Osborn St. Place of death Fall River Mass Place of Burial Oak Grove Occupation..Mule Spinner Place of Birth Dennis, Cape Cod Name of Father Obed Name of mother Sarah Date of Record july 18th, 1872 I have copies of these if needed.... Children Andrew 1840 1916 Hiram 1842 1907 married Annie Palmer Amy Hope Phoebe married Thomas Wilkerson Caroline married a Brownell Other interesting facts: On Greenfields grave In Memory Of Mr. Greenfield Chace OiBi March 29th 1810 AE'T 56 years "Depart my friends, Wipe you tears. Here I ...lie.. Till the Christ appears" Sarah's Grave Sarah Chase Wife of Greenfield departed this life April 3,1841 Note: Sarah did not change her name to Chace Hopey and Thomas graves are marked "Mother and Father" They are buried right next to my father and mother Frank and Alice Chace in Oak Grove Cemetery, Fall River.. Also there are Hopey and Thomas' sons Andrew and Hiram and others of the Chace family I have pictures of most graves from William 1 down to my parents...but not all From William Chase 1 2 Benjamin Chase b 1639 Roxbury Mass...................William Chase Jr (Willy) 1627 3 Walter Chaseb Freetown 1684 ......................John Chase b.1649 Yarmouth 4 George Bedford Chase b 1719 Freetown ........... Thomas Chase b. 1679 Yarmouth 5 Greenfield Chace b 1754 Freetown .......... Joseph Chase b, 1718 Yarmouth 6 James Chace b 1786 Freetown ................. Joseph Jr. 1744 Yarmouth 7.....................................................................Obed b 1772 Yarmouth 8 Hopey Terry Chace b 1811 Freetown Thomas Chase/Chace 1808 Dennis 9 Hiram King Chace b1824 Freetown 10 Ellery Wyatt Chace b 1873 Fall River 11 Frank Clinton Chace b1905 Fall River 12 Frank Clinton Chace Jr b 1929 Fall River 13 Christopher Bruce Chace b1954 Fall River 14 Stephen Deane Chace b 1957 15. Stephen Deane Chace Jr, b.1986 San Diego Calif 16. Alexander Chace b. 1988 Richmond Va Would be glad to work out a way of getting pictures or birth/marriage cetificates where needed..and help into DAR/SAR along my family lines.... can provide detailed location of William 1 and the Chase boys grave marker through the Civil War in West Harwich..Mass..including pictures and inscriptions on monument... I hope the information herein is helpful Colonel Frank Clinton Chace Jr US Marine Corps (Ret) my web site...click here.. http://web.infoave.net/~pgwar/stub.htm