Hi,jeffery, I am replying via the CHASE list as my messages are still getting "bounced" back from you. Please believe me I took no offence. Indees there are many fans of Baseball in England and Channel 4 regularly shows a live game in its entirety. Channel 4 is a Terrestial station so its audience is quite large although starting at midnight can be a drawback. When I was in orlando with the grandchilden,some years ago, the World Series was on and in the evenings I used to watch the games. Personally I think it is a great game and there are leagues her in the UK, mostly in the North. I also like American Football, which I must admit is,yo many here, as mysterious as cricket is to many North Americans! Keep well and keep up your good work, Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Chace <[email protected]> To: k.hume <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Think twice first. > Keith, > > I just reread the email that you sent to the List about Rounders. I may > have sounded a bit defencive in my reply about Baseball and I certainly > didn't intend to be rude. But, as I reread the email I sent as reply, it > certainly appears to be so. > > Please accept my apologies and know that I am a tad sensitive when it comes > to British/American comparisons and I just reacted before I realised you > were just giving extra information about the subject and not belittling our > "National Pastime" as I have heard so often from Brits in Holland. I have > heard the "Baseball is a girls game" thing, and the "You Americans don't > know anything about Football (Soccer)", and, most annoying of all, "You > Americans can't even speak real English." > > So, again forgive my thin skin and thank you for replying to me. > > Cheers, > > Jeffrey > > > There is an English game called "Rounders" from which many believe baseball > > originated. > > It was very popular when I was a boy. It had its origins in Tudor times ,(ie > > before 1603). > > However the gane did not become popular before 1800 and it wa not until > > the 1880s that an official set of rules was adopted. > > The biggest difference in the game was that you could hit the ball in any > > direction and for some time the striker could be got out bt throwing the > > ball and hitting him/her before they reached the base as well as striking > > them out. > > This information was obtained from the Encyclopeadia Brittanica 1963 > > edition,( for some years prior this famous reference book was owned by an > > American company) > > > > Keith Hume > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jeffrey Chace <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:31 PM > > Subject: [CHASE-L] A Chace may have invented Baseball > > > > > > > http://www.historybuff.com/library/refearlybase.html > > > > > > Funny, he is referred to as Edward B. Chace and in the same paragraph as > > > Mr. Chase. > > > > > > Was Abner Doubleday Really the Originator? > > > By Tom Helgesen > > > NCSA Member #592 > > > > > > It seems that controversy still rages over the origins of baseball. In > > 1991 > > > the Baseball Hall of Fame was delighted to hear about a baseball notice > > > that is the earliest known printed reference to organized baseball in > > > America. The July 13, 1825 edition of the "Delhi (N.Y.) Gazette" (on > > > microfilm) has a notice listing the names of nine men challenging any > > group > > > in Delaware County to a game of baseball at the home of Edward B. Chace > > for > > > $1 per game. (The notice came from Hamden, New Jersey.) The Baseball Hall > > > of Fame hopes to send a student to search the microfilm records of > > > the "Delhi Gazette" to see what else might be contained in its pages to > > > shed light on Mr. Chase and his nine ball players. > > > > > > Abner Doubleday was the first to be officially recognized as the creator > > of > > > baseball. A turn-of-the-century national baseball panel awarded the ho nor > > > to Doubleday on the strength of a letter from an old schoolmate claiming > > > Abner devised the rules for the game in 1839 in Cooperstown, New York. > > > Although his name has stuck with the public, Doubleday was long ago shorn > > > of this honor by historians who examined the evidence. > > > > > > Tom Heitz of the National Baseball Library in Cooperstown, New York, said > > > in a phone interview recently that the Hall of Fame recognizes September, > > > 1845 as the time when the rules of the game we know as baseball were first > > > set down. They were adopted by the New York Knickerbockers, led by a bank > > > clerk named Alexander Cartwright. The following June in Hoboken, New > > > Jersey, the Knickerbockers played the first organized baseball game > > between > > > two teams using the new rules. The controversy as it turns out is actually > > > more a rivalry between cities vying for the distinction as the birthplace > > > of baseball. > > > > > > What is still not well understood, however, is the origins of the game > > > before 1845 -- the period referred to by the Hall as early baseball. > > > Historians have found references to early forms of baseball in the New > > York > > > cities such as Rochester and Geneso in the 1820's. Organized clubs played > > > in Philadelphia and the New York City area in the 1830's. Evidence has > > been > > > found of early baseball in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and > > other > > > northeastern states. Although called baseball, most of the games were > > > experiments with different rules and methods of play that may or may not > > > resemble the game we know today. > > > > > > Mr. Heitz said the Hall of Fame would be very interested in hearing of any > > > baseball references prior to September, 1846 unearthed by NCSA members. > > The > > > Hall knows what happened after that date but would like to know more about > > > the precursors of baseball before that date -- what rules were used, who > > > played earlier forms and where and when. > > > > > > There's also an interesting twist for our English friends to look into. In > > > 1748 a Lady Hervey wrote a letter in which she describes family activities > > > of Frederick, Prince of Wales. She refers to family members "diverting > > > themselves in baseball, a play all who are or have been schoolboys are > > well > > > acquainted with." Was this game like the baseball we know today? If it was > > > a common school yard game as she implies, would there be references to it > > > elsewhere? Perhaps in newspapers? There have been some scant references to > > > baseball as far back as the American Revolution and England in the early > > > 1700's. > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Chace > > > [email protected] > > > > > > My Chace website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/j.b.chace > > > Search these emails: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CHASE > > > Browse these emails: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CHASE-L/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Chace > [email protected] > > My Chace website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/j.b.chace > Search these emails: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CHASE > Browse these emails: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CHASE-L/ >