In a message dated 98-06-16 13:48:37 EDT, you write: << Motto: 'Ne cede malis' (Yield not to temptation) ] >> Sometimes this motto is also translated as "Yield not to evil". I am not fluent in Latin, so I will leave it to others to make the decision of "temptation" or Evil". I have read a discussion of this at some time in the past and frankly I do not remember which finally received the most votes. Also, sometimes the lion is standing, sometimes not standing; also, sometimes the cord under the lion is striped and sometimes not; Rex Gilman Chase